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I was on the way for my morning cortado and taking my usual route behind parliament hill by the river when I was stopped by some very focussed RCMP plainclothes who were looking for someone in a black jacket, and had I seen anyone. Just cyclists, I told them.
As the market stalls were closing, I returned home by a very circuitous route. My friends in offices are under lockdown and instructed to stay away from windows. The RCMP are everywhere and are concerned about: a) keeping people safe if someone is still about with a weapon, and b) finding him.
I expect that there will be more coherent news in a few hours. We've made the front page of the New York Times but generally speaking, would rather not have done so.
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The latest information says that there were not any shots in the vicinity of the Rideau Centre.
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Just checking in to say I'm thinking of you all, especially Uncle Pete, A the A and any other Ottawa Shippies.
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) for the soul of Cpl. Cirillo, and that of his killer.
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My nephew, who is currently at the Ottawa Mission, says that the slain gunman was a client there, and that he used to talk to him. As you do with people with whom you are thrown together. It might explain further why the Mission was in lockdown yesterday
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The Cold Lake mosque was vandalised last night. By this afternoon the town (which serves a military base) had the mosque nearly aright.
Canadians are not jerks. Regardless of our faith path, we are quietly decent people.
I was appalled, then I was pleased. The mayor and the military attended afternoon prayers.
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Good - that's the way it should be.
While I'm appalled by the action of extremists like Zehaf-Bibeau, whenever something like this happens I find myself feeling very sorry for all the decent, law-abiding Muslims who come here to work and do nothing but good.
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After reading his tirade on Facebook, I wondered if he was the inspiration for the bloke in Fifty Shades of Grey.
![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
Seriously though, can they really fire him for having, um, interesting bedroom proclivities?
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He's an yuppie artist, his proclivities are de rigeur interesting. But other than the fact that I find Q to be intensely boring, I don't care about what he does.
Though 'Mothership' is certainly reverting to its puritanical type.
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Today's revelations, particularly the Toronto Star article , make it seem likely that there's more to the story than the CBC firing someone for liking a bit of BDSM. Which makes sense, because I'm pretty sure you couldn't get away with firing someone on those grounds in this day and age. I've always been a big Jian fan ... in fact I used to be a big Moxy Fruvous fan, which apparently is not cool to admit right now -- but although I know there are such things as false accusations, I find the storyline of the abused women afraid to come forward, and the powerful man claiming it was all the work of a vengeful ex, all too familiar and plausible.
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From the whips to the mundane. Another Tory, Tory, has won the Trawna mayoralty. From a populist Tory millionaire to a grey Tory millionaire. I think it's the first election Tory has ever won. A slight improvement.
In other news, a grey Watson has retained Ottawa, but my ward councillor, Peter Clark, the former reginal chair, has lost to a local businessman.
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...In other news, a grey Watson has retained Ottawa, but my ward councillor, Peter Clark, the former reginal chair, has lost to a local businessman.
Reginal - is he a Queen?
...and as a chair is he comfortable?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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I never thought I'd miss Mel Lastman!
At least John Tory knows how to behave in public!
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The Alberta byelections might not seem that significant, until you consider that the government was widely viewed as being extremely unpopular in the wake of Redford's spending shenanigans, and that Wildrose was regarded as the natural replacement.
Yet the Tories won all four seats, and in two of them Wildrose didn't even make second place.
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I guess you'd have to check which partisan sources were reporting the problems!
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Changing the topic to rather more cheery notes (at least for me, it's cheery) my visa is now happily installed in my passport and in 10 weeks I will be off to Woddersland.
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Snow today.
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Oh, go wash your mouth out with soap! ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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They've already had some sn*w up in Labrador, but mercifully none here so far.
Good news about your visa, Pete - presumably now you won't give a stuff if the rest of us get sn*w ... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Changing the topic to rather more cheery notes (at least for me, it's cheery) my visa is now happily installed in my passport and in 10 weeks I will be off to Woddersland.
Lord, have mercy!
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The Ghomeshi thing might just have started a must needed discussion on why women don't report rape and how much victim blaming happens in this country, especially among those who otherwise would call themselves liberal types. It was amazing how many people saw this as a Harper led conspiracy against the CBC. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I for one care a WHOLE LOT about the injustice of how people are yelling "liar" at women for not going to the cops about an assault and yet believing a guy based on his Facebook post.
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Report tonight is up to 8 women and 1 has allowed herself to be named.
This country needs to discuss the difference between legal truth and acceptable behaviour.
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Report tonight is up to 8 women and 1 has allowed herself to be named.
The one who allowed her name to be used for publication is an actress who is also a captain in the Air Force.
The winds of shit are blowing, Ricky...
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Jian and I served on the Ontario Federation of Students executive in 1991-2. I watch with interest as this saga unfolds.
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The information about this is very disturbing indeed, from what was done, and possibly how the corporation didn't do anything. Probably something police is next according to the news. I feel deeply for those affected.
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In other news, Peterborough's very own Deano has been found guilty of election fraud. We wait with bated breath to see if he gets gaol time and/or whether his seat in Parliament is declared vacant.
Hardly likely, I fear. Though he now sits as an Independent, he was first elected as one of Harpo's clowns. They don't know the meaning of the word no.
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You rang?
As I have moved back to the City of Peterborough (temporarily), I'm at Ground Zero here.
Ah, Dean, that whale of a car salesman. He sold cars at Del Mastro Motors down on Lansdowne St. until he was elected in 2006.
I doubt there will be a byelection; Dean will appeal until the bitter end. The appeal lies to the Superior Court of Justice in this case, I believe.
Most people are sick of this story, this is hardly the coverage the city and county want. Plus from self-interest, a byelection would interfere with setting up the new Riding Associations on the new boundaries, which changed significantly during redistribution.
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Peterborough. Wish my father's family hadn't sold the quarter mile of shoreline on Clear Lake for a song in 1962.
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Quite. On the Smith or Douro side, if I may ask?
On a different note, my little riding association now has 250 members. We have a contested nomination. After what happened in Quebec, everyone wants to be a New Democrat! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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... see if he gets gaol time and/or whether his seat in Parliament is declared vacant.
Surely if he's sent to prison he's not going to be much use as an MP?
Even if they don't call a by-election (and I can't really see how they couldn't) I'd hope that at the next general election the good citizens of Peterborough would tell him to take a running jump.
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Oh, he's done like dinner electorally. He doesn't even live in the Riding anymore, his house and the township it's in are now in Northumberland--Peterborough South, the riding to the south.
The old saying is that so goes Peterborough, so goes Canada; Peterborough hasn't voted against the government in a general election in decades.
It's just the law is dreadfully unclear on what exactly is to be done. The Elections Act states that conviction for what Del Mastro is charged with means you are ineligible to sit as an MP for give years, and can't vote either. But sentence has not been imposed yet, and a conditional discharge would get around that point. There is precious little chance of that though.
However only the House of Commons itself can expel a member, and historically it has only done that when all appeals have been exhausted. The only other MPs who have been expelled since Confederation were Louis Riel (twice), Fred Rose (convicted of spying during the Gouzenko Affair) and an unmemorable MP in the 1890's who was promptly re-elected. If the House doesn't act, there's nothing that can be done.
However, I think his smell is so bad that even the Tories will want him thrown to the wolves (under the bus is full) and out of their hair.
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As of last week's Le Journal de Montréal's riding analysis site gave del Mastro a 79% chance of winning Peterborough at the next election. I think that these figures now need revision.
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I think that figure is a little high in any case; the riding is different this time but the NDP came second in 2011 and has been investing resources in Peterborough. I would put Peterborough--Kawartha (as it is now) as three-way competitive.
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I think that figure is a little high in any case; the riding is different this time but the NDP came second in 2011 and has been investing resources in Peterborough. I would put Peterborough--Kawartha (as it is now) as three-way competitive.
I think that you're right for Peterborough which, while it has a history of voting on the winning side, also has a history of not being anyone's safe seat. The J de M's formula projects polling breakdowns by province with factors of previous wins, incumbency, etc. Their prediction is a good example of how such models are flawed in the face of local circumstances.
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Peterborough campaigns are always active and competitive.
Dean broke one of the cardinal rules of elected members here in Peternborough: if you can't be in cabinet, and can't be clever, at least keep your nose clean and be a good, respectable constituency MP.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Quite. On the Smith or Douro side, if I may ask?
On a different note, my little riding association now has 250 members. We have a contested nomination. After what happened in Quebec, everyone wants to be a New Democrat!
Highway 28 goes north through Young's Point at the west end of the lake and then turns east. At the corner a was a farmhouse owned in the 1940s by Jim and Violet Freeburn. They owned the land down to the shore of the lake. Highway 28 then turns northwards again. There was a road between the 2 turns of the highway down to the lake. That's the land that was bought in I think 1943 or so, for some $1500 or so.
On your other, with riding redistribution, I suspect Saskatchewan will elect between 3 and 6 of it's 13 MPs as NDP next go. The prior riding boundaries there washed out urban NDP votes with rural. Alberta will likely be much the same as now, as will Manitoba, as the new riding boundaries don't affect them so much. BC, I have never understood BC politics.
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Smith side. Smith is the west side of Clear Lake, Douro is the east side of Clear Lake and the south side of Stoney Lake.
And yes, ah, to go home again....
And of course I can't forget Edmonton--Griesbach, who send Linda Duncan to Ottawa to as their NDP MP. The only non-blue riding in Alberta. She's hosting next year's Convention.
Peterborough was redistributed into Peterborough--Kawartha, the first serious change of the riding boundaries since the 1960's. The three northern townships of Peterborough County were reunited with Peterborough and the southern townships of Norwood-Asphodel and Otonabee-South Monaghan passed to Northumberland--Peterborough South.
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And of course I can't forget Edmonton--Griesbach, who send Linda Duncan to Ottawa to as their NDP MP. The only non-blue riding in Alberta. She's hosting next year's Convention.
According to wiki, she currently represents Edmonton Strathcona. Edmonton - Griesbach is a future riding, which, according to the same source, will encompass parts of St. Albert and Edmonton East.
I grew up in a neighbourhood now encompassed by Edmonton Strathcona. For many years, it was represented by Tory David Kilgour, who later crossed to the Liberals after having switched to a redistricted riding(which may have also overlapped with my neighbourhood, I can't recall).
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I grew up in a neighbourhood now encompassed by Edmonton Strathcona. For many years, it was represented by Tory David Kilgour, who later crossed to the Liberals after having switched to a redistricted riding(which may have also overlapped with my neighbourhood, I can't recall).
My uncle was friends with and campaigned for David Kilgour. I met him twice, I was politically agnostic in those days (1970s). He was an excellent speaker.
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I grew up in a neighbourhood now encompassed by Edmonton Strathcona. For many years, it was represented by Tory David Kilgour, who later crossed to the Liberals after having switched to a redistricted riding(which may have also overlapped with my neighbourhood, I can't recall).
My uncle was friends with and campaigned for David Kilgour. I met him twice, I was politically agnostic in those days (1970s). He was an excellent speaker.
And fluently bilingual, to boot.
As you may know, he's the brother-in-law of John Turner, and so of course there was a bit of speculation about that when he switched over to the Liberals.
But he ended up serving 15 years as a Liberal, almost all of that time under Jean Chretien.
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I didn't know the John Turner connection. Very interesting, thanks.
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I didn't know the John Turner connection. Very interesting, thanks.
I recall an interview with him on CBC radio, where he said that he had decided a few years earlier that the Liberal Party was closer to his ideas than the Conservatives at the time, but he was concerned that he might be accused of switching to his brother-in-law's party, as Turner was then the Liberal leader. As the Conservatives expelled him from caucus in 1990 for voting against the GST, the decision was made for him. After serving in the Chrétien cabinet, he left the Liberals to sit as an independent in protest against the sponsorship scandal. Like Douglas Roche, he is an interesting example of those Alberta MPs whose religious beliefs were an element in moving them leftward through their political careers.
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D. Kilgour actually went to school in Manitoba - at least, high school, since I met him there. I don't know if being one of those people infected by dangerously eastern-province ideas made a difference.
Even then, Manitoba and Alberta were very different places.
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In other news, Adam Moulton, a 24 year old graduate of Trinity-Western University beat out Paul Smith, Brian Mulroney's former assistant to win the Northumberland--Peterborough South Conservative nomination.
You can paper over the Reform/PC split all you want, it's still there. Luckily the local New Democrats are also having a contested nomination.
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D. Kilgour actually went to school in Manitoba - at least, high school, since I met him there. I don't know if being one of those people infected by dangerously eastern-province ideas made a difference.
Even then, Manitoba and Alberta were very different places.
Kilgour wrote a book about the history of western alienation, which I gather takes a more subtle approach than the usual "Let the eastern bashterds freeze" line that was common in Alberta at the time.
Though I'm sure like any other proper-thinking Albertan(and certainly like any Tory MP wishing to be re-elected) Kilgour was opposed to the NEP.
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Trinity-Western University has been in the news recently. It sounds like an oddity in Canada with its statement of morality (if that's what it is called). I think you probably have called it correctly with the Reform angle, but this election result seems somewhat odd to me given our western Canadian perceptions of Ontario being, may I say, more broad minded.
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our western Canadian perceptions of Ontario being, may I say, more broad minded.
I think "perceptions" is the operative word there. It is not unheard of for Ontarians to elect politicians who are at least as reactionary as any coughed up from southern Alberta. John Gamble(friend of fascists), and Tom Wappell come to mind, just off the top.
And of course Mike Harris and the recent mayor of Toronto scarcely require mention.
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NPS is a rural riding, and rural Central and Southern Ontario have a history of returning "interesting" politicians like Bill Domm (Peterborough) and Sam Hughes (Victoria County (Lindsay)). It's just given Ontario's urban population, they were and are usually swamped by MP's of a more moderate persuasion. But not always.
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