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Tomorrow I head up to the North Coast with my parents. I've packed among other things packed suncream and a vest! Hopefully we shall have some nice weather, I can always be optimistic.
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Alan Cresswell
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If it's anything like here at the moment, waterproofs, fleece, and an inflatable boat might be advisable.
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Firenze
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I'll say. Just back from a rather warm northern Germany into utterly dreich Scotland. Difficult to imagine night before last I was dining outdoors.
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I'm going to be in Edinburgh 17-20 June and then at Solas over the weekend.
Thought I'd see here first if anyone is likely to be around and would like to meet up before starting a proper Meet thread.
(Also, it's just struck me that if anyone's driving from Edinburgh to Solas and would have a spare pace in their car that might be handy.)
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daisymay
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We had a lovely time in Mull - just one day it was very wet. I've just got home now. I have loved the blue sky when that came. And there were thousands of white sheep all around us.
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Yangtze, we're heading to Solas and may have space, but from Livingston rather than Edinburgh. Let us know if that would be any use. Not sure meeting up pre-Solas will work, but we'll see you there ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jack the Lass
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Yangtze, I could possibly meet up for lunch on either the 18th or 19th (I think) - can't do evenings, but lunch is good as it means I get to avoid rush hour with the pushchair. If we go to Solas it will be on the Sunday only (but if the weather is rubbish the chances of wimping out are quite high!).
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Yay Derf, will be good to meet you.
JtL - I could come to you, let's chat offship.
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Unfortunately I'm not around that weekend. Sorry to miss you.
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It was very nice in Mull and Iona. In Iona we went up to the MacLean one - it's very ancient and lovely to see all sorts inside it and also look down from the top !
How can I show pictures? I have lots of sunny ones...
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Hello there - looking for a little information/advice.
If you were travelling (driving) from St Andrews to Manchester (ish) and wanted to stop off for a night, where would you stop?
We won't be setting off from St Andrews until 3/4ish so not looking to 'do' anything on the day we arrive, but will have some of the next day (a Monday) to explore a bit.
I was thinking maybe somewhere around Dumfries, this is a natural halfway (ish) point, but I know nothing about the area at all.
We're not into huge walks at the moment, but poking around a castle would be excellent.
Thanks in advance,
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If you were following the eastern route - M90 - Edinburgh bypass - A702 - M74 - Carlisle might be doable. It's quite an interesting town, with castle and a good bit of altstadt. Or, short of that, there's Moffat. Or, if you're leaving late, Biggar. Very picturesque little place, but with enough in the way of hotels and restaurants.
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I think we'll go the western route as we're going up the Eastern side (via Lindesfarne). We've stopped at moffat before, but Carlisle might be possible.
Thanks!
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You are coming right through my part of the world!
If you come via the A702 and the M74, which as Firenze says is the most obvious route, I'm afraid there is not much by way of castles down here. Carlisle has one, and a very nice cathedral too. There is also a lovely castle and nature reserve at Caerlaverock on the Solway coast about 13 miles out of Dumfries. This is a little bit out of your way, though - Dumfries is not really an obvious stop-off place on your way south if you only have limited time.
So no castles there, but I second the recommendation of Moffat. The attraction here is the scenery - the Devil's Beef Tub, and a few miles along the Selkirk road, the Grey Mare's Tail waterfall. Further down the M74 is Lockerbie: there are a few nice hotels around here, so PM me if you want details. There is a lovely little nature reserve at Lockerbie for you to poke about in and look for red squirrels, and an interesting Ukrainian chapel. Just down the road is Ecclefechan with a National Trust property - the home of Thomas Carlisle. Close to Ecclefechan is Hoddom Castle - you can't get into the castle itself, but there are some lovely riverside walks that are open to everyone. You could also take a look at Repentance Tower, which is a castle of sorts!
This is not a dramatic part of Scotland, but it is lovely and gentle scenery. I hope you enjoy your stop-off.
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Thank you so much cottontail and Firenze!
I'd like to see Lockerbie and change its associations in my head. Cottontail, I'll PM you.
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Jack the Lass
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The Ukrainian chapel is well worth a look (it is quite bonkers, but surprisingly moving). Dumfries is a bit out of the way, which is a shame as the whole far south-west of Scotland is beautiful, IMO - I had to spend a bit of time there a couple of years ago for work, and was looking at the scenery as I drove and thinking that in its own way it was every bit as beautiful as the Highlands, but so unknown. What I did find though was that it took absolutely flippin' ages to get anywhere, much longer than I expected, as none of the roads are that quick, even the A roads. So I think I would go there as a destination in its own right sometime, rather than somewhere to have a quick meander/stop-off.
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daisymay
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I am going to Dundee, by train, and bus to Blairgowrie - where there used to be a train to Dundee but not now.
I do hope it will be dry and sunny as I am there just all the few days.
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Cottontail
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Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
The Ukrainian chapel is well worth a look (it is quite bonkers, but surprisingly moving). Dumfries is a bit out of the way, which is a shame as the whole far south-west of Scotland is beautiful, IMO - I had to spend a bit of time there a couple of years ago for work, and was looking at the scenery as I drove and thinking that in its own way it was every bit as beautiful as the Highlands, but so unknown. What I did find though was that it took absolutely flippin' ages to get anywhere, much longer than I expected, as none of the roads are that quick, even the A roads. So I think I would go there as a destination in its own right sometime, rather than somewhere to have a quick meander/stop-off.
Totally agreed on all counts. The Ukrainian chapel is indeed both bonkers and moving, and has a very dodgy history to boot: their own historical notes admit that the chapel was created by former SS officers who could not return to Ukraine after the war. Though they were forced to be in the SS, they say. Murky times. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
But Dumfries and Galloway is truly beautiful. I used to live over towards Newton Stewart. The area has mountains, oak forests, beaches, lochs, castles, botanical gardens, ancient prehistoric sites, salmon fishing, forest parks, gourmet food ... all absolutely stunning. And most tourists just zoom past on their way up to the Highlands. I want to put up a sign at the English border saying, 'Turn left!'
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Alan Cresswell
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A bit short on distilleries though. Just Bladnoch as far as I recall.
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A bit short on distilleries though. Just Bladnoch as far as I recall.
A difficult dram to take seriously, with inescapable overtones of Major Denis Bloodnok (of the Goon Show, for foreigners and the very young).
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Firenze
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ST, I think the 'very young' in this instance = 'under 50'.
And it's a perfectly good malt.
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Older than that - I'm 52 and I only really remember the Goons from repeats, although it may have been that I was just never beside a radio at the right time.
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ST is using "very young" in the same way as my church congregation, where anyone under fifty is indeed, very young by comparison.
Our church Young Wives Group used to have a rule that when your first child started secondary school, you were no longer a "Young Wife." This rule was abandoned due to lack of members with small children. There was a brief discussion as to whether someone could continue to be a "Young Wife" once their eldest grandchild started secondary school, and we decided they could.
In our church you are "young" up to the point of collecting your Old Age Pension.
Presbyterianism - a veritable Fountain of Youth.
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I absolutely loved the Goons: the day after the programme my school friends and I talked of little else. We thought they made the most brilliant comedy ever.
Hearing them again recently on Radio 4 Extra has been a terrible disappointment - as with most of the comedy programmes I used to like.
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We were the same with I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again and made a point of listening both Sunday lunchtime and Monday evening - the second time to hear the jokes we missed the first time round because we were laughing so hard! Lady Constance de Coverlet was such a rich fantasy figure.
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Ooouuugherrwah! You naughty boy!
Yes the trouble is that some programmes worked so well for us when we were children or adolescents because the humour was childish or immature.
The one that has stood the test of time IMO is Round the Horne. That was adult humour in several senses of the word.
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I have absolutely no idea what any of you are talking about.
Cottontail: Not Just Presbyterian Young ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
In our church you are "young" up to the point of collecting your Old Age Pension.
In our, also not Presbyterian, church you are young for as long as you want to be.
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Jengie jon
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
In our church you are "young" up to the point of collecting your Old Age Pension.
In our, also not Presbyterian, church you are young for as long as you want to be.
Uhm Alan
We are not "not Presbyterian" we are Reformed and Presbyterianism is a subset of Reformed. Congregationalist, some Baptists, Huguenots, Waldensians and Dutch Reformed are other subsets of Reformed.
Indeed we have two Presbyterian strands as the Congregational Church of England had a decided inheritance from English Presbyterianism as well as English Separatists.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
We are not "not Presbyterian" we are Reformed and Presbyterianism is a subset of Reformed. Congregationalist, some Baptists, Huguenots, Waldensians and Dutch Reformed are other subsets of Reformed.
I now have Aretha Franklin singing in my head 'Young, REformed and Back'. Behind her are a bopping group of beehived Waldensians, while Jumpin' Jean Calvin takes it away on keyboards.
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Alan Cresswell
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Uhm Alan
We are not "not Presbyterian" we are Reformed and Presbyterianism is a subset of Reformed. Congregationalist, some Baptists, Huguenots, Waldensians and Dutch Reformed are other subsets of Reformed.
And, where do what used to be Churches of Christ (which is the tradition my congregation came from) or the Scottish Congregational (the tradition for the other URC in town) fit in? Particularly in the context of a town with several definite Presbyterian churches - Church of Scotland and "wee free".
I was just talking about one small congregation, not the whole URC.
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Jengie jon
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Its an off shoot of the Cof S what more do you want?
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Alan Cresswell
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With some very distinctive differences from the CofS. Weekly Communion and believers baptism are not common in the kirk for a start.
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Jengie jon
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Those come from a nineteenth century movement within the CofS and led to their eventual split.
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6 NATIONAL KISSING DAY !
Who's up for a good kiss today in Scotland?
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Jengie jon
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Wrong guess at century but here is the info.
The list of those in favour of weekly communion within the Reformed tradition is headed by
John Calvin and John Knox. It is sometimes useful to remember our practice has fallen short of the ideals of our theologians.
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Alan Cresswell
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Members of what were Churches of Christ in Scotland may have been aware of their Presbyterian heritage. But, as far as I know, did not consider themselves to be Presbyterian, any more than Methodists consider themselves to be Anglican.
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Originally posted by Ye Olde Motherboarde:
6 NATIONAL KISSING DAY !
Who's up for a good kiss today in Scotland?
How come I only read this on the 7th? ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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Partly due to the information not being posted until quite late at night. It was certainly after I went to bed (but, that was an early night ... something to do with having woken up in Tokyo and spent a lot of time on airplanes inbetween).
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Jengie jon
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Members of what were Churches of Christ in Scotland may have been aware of their Presbyterian heritage. But, as far as I know, did not consider themselves to be Presbyterian, any more than Methodists consider themselves to be Anglican.
The Methodist relationship with Anglicanism is interesting. Basically, I suspect if the Methodist had tried for a merger with the URC in the last twenty years it would have happened. It has not happened because they are more interested in a relationship with Anglicanism. In other words the family connection is still important at least in the UK.
So to the Churches of Christ, they may not identify as Presbyterian but it is their heritage. By the way have you ever checked the full name of the Churches of Christ when they came in. Given this heritage I suspect that the use of that word is not accidental.
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So to the Churches of Christ, they may not identify as Presbyterian but it is their heritage.
Which is, I think, what I'd originally said. My congregation, URC, former Churches of Christ, does not identify as Presbyterian.
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By the way have you ever checked the full name of the Churches of Christ when they came in. Given this heritage I suspect that the use of that word is not accidental.
According to Wikipedia, having found the URC website to not give that much background detail, it was the Reformed Association of Churches of Christ in Great Britain. Which doesn't say very much, ISTM. Except they identified as Reformed, but Reformed is broader than just Presbyterian. I also notice that the first Churches of Christ in the UK in Nottingham, 1836, was formed by Baptists.
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Alan
You are arguing they are not Reformed I am simply arguing they are. I pulled out their Presbyterian heritage because it establishes their Reformed credentials.
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No, I'm arguing that a church within the URC is Reformed but does not identify as Presbyterian. At what point have I even suggested we are not Reformed?
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Jengie jon
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You are claiming stronger than that, you are denying the Presbyterian Heritage and saying we are NOT Presbyterian. The correct stance both/and not because we do not call ourselves Presbyterian we are not Presbyterian.
See example of Methodism above, they may not identify as Anglican but Anglican patrimony still holds a major part of their identity. So it is with URC there is Presbyterian patrimony in the all strands that came together. For instance we still paint our buildings Presbyterian blue more often than the CofS.
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So it is with URC there is Presbyterian patrimony in the all strands that came together. For instance we still paint our buildings Presbyterian blue more often than the CofS.
Yes, of course there is Presbyterian patrimony in the URC. But, that patrimony was much older, and significantly altered in practice, within the Congregational and Churches of Christ prior to joining the URC. To simply assert because somewhere in the distant past Presbyterians, disaffected in some way with Presbyterian one assumes, were involved in founding the Churches of Christ and Congregational Churches that later joined to form the URC is to denigrate the history and traditions of those strands in the URC. Congregational churches, for example, often chose to be identified as Independent precisely to avoid being seen as Presbyterian. It is almost as though you are trying to re-write history and claim the URC is just Presbyterian, even though some churches in the URC had failed to notice that.
And, it's an approach that is potentially problematic as it really begs the question "what is the difference between the URC and Presbyterian churches?" There are substantial differences, otherwise the Presbyterians would have been less resistive to union a few years back. Perhaps where the URC churches have a stronger, clearly identified Presbyterian background and there are no other Presbyterian churches around that wouldn't matter. In Scotland, where none of the URC churches were originally clearly identified as Presbyterian and there are several Presbyterian denominations, including the national kirk, that identification of "URC = Presbyterian" you appear to be making is less helpful.
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And, one other thing I forgot to add. Our church isn't painted blue.
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Alan
I am objecting to the "NOT". We are a UNITED church and a united church is of all the traditions that came into it. The use of "NOT" says to our former Presbyterian members that they are not part of URC.
We are Churches of Christ, we are Congregational but we are also Presbyterian.
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North East Quine
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Forgive my ignorance, but what shade of blue is "Presbyterian blue"?
We have a pulpit fall in blue, with the burning bush symbol, and I'm wondering if this is "Presbyterian blue"? Our pulpit fall is roughly the same blue as the "G" in the Google logo.
What is the history of "Presbyterian blue"?
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
I am objecting to the "NOT". We are a UNITED church and a united church is of all the traditions that came into it. The use of "NOT" says to our former Presbyterian members that they are not part of URC.
We are Churches of Christ, we are Congregational but we are also Presbyterian.
Yes, the URC is a United church. It is the sum of the traditions that united to form the church, and to form union we had to give up parts of those traditions - though I believe that what was gained was greater than what was given up. That means that we are more than any one of those traditions. It also means that our "presbyterianism" is less than that of the founding Presbyterian churches.
Presbyterian churches could have decided to remain Presbyterian, and many did. Those that joined the URC decided to become something different, they retained much of their tradition enriched by the tradition of others, but they changed from Presbyterian to United Reformed. The same, of course, is the case for Congregational churches and Churches of Christ.
My experience of the URC in England and Wales is not very substantial. But, in Scotland the individual congregations still retain much of the flavour and practice of their pre-union denomination. Which isn't really all that surprising since it's only been a bit over 20y since union in most cases. And, of course, none of those congregations were originally Presbyterian.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
... what shade of blue is "Presbyterian blue"? ...
St. Magnus Cathedral, the (CofS) Presbyterian church where we were married isn't blue at all - it's red-and-yellow sandstone - the only blue I can think of is on the signs showing where the wheelchair access is.
The present incumbent wears a blue cassock, as did his predecessor - although that may have been because he was an avid Cowdenbeath supporter ![[Biased]](wink.gif) . The minister who married us wore a scarlet one, because he was a Queen's Chaplain.
Maybe Presbyterian blue is the dark-blue of the Ford Fiestas that used to be standard-issue from 121 George Street ... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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