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no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
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This is always a problem to a degree I think. Someone drops the bag accidently and it splits so they leave it, someone overloads the bin in the park or by the path and it bursts. People let dogs poo and don't clean up. The best we can do is to pick up your own dog's poo and if there's another one from another dog, include it too.


I am not sure who or exactly what I'm calling to hell with the following. But I don't like it at all. Is there a pre-hell panel to decide who gets it?

We have reports this week of a person who decided to start trapping cats which were then loaded up into boxes and dumped in the country. This is apparently not illegal because if a cat is on your property you have the right to catch it. It is certainly not very nice for the cat owners. No doubt its the usual complaint of cat poo in the flowers. I am never sure of the line between manicured gardens and nature, and the line between tolerance and the intolerable.

In the same light, I have considered that catching teenagers and releasing them in the country might be the next logical thing to consider. And maybe the elderly who block walking paths with electric wheelchairs and walkers. And those pushing babies around while jogging, and more particularly those with this bicycle tire equipped buggies. And anyone wearing brightly coloured spandex and plugged into an iPod and doesn't hear bicycle bells on shared paths.

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Doublethink.
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TICTH ineffectual child protection in Rotheram, and grooming gangs.

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Rosa Winkel

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You can add the SYP to that.

They have previous.

[ 26. August 2014, 21:31: Message edited by: Rosa Winkel ]

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Kelly Alves

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A fucking men to that. Reprehensible.

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luvanddaisies

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This patronising sexist fuckwittery. The 'Better Together' campaign seem to be more adept at making the case to vote 'yes' than to vote 'no'. "The guy off the telly"? pfft. If that's their view of ordinary voters and of women, it's not exactly inspiring of confidence, and is a triumph of patronising fuckwittery, middle-class stereotyping of "the common people", and an indictment of any of us who thought feminists' striving for equality of genders was over.

It's this sort of little woman not-quite-as-good-as-a-man thinking that breeds and validates people like the guys passing the bus stop at Trafalgar Square as I waited for a Night Bus home after work, who walked past looking at the women there and numbered us off "fit, fit, fit, euurggh, fit". I was the "euurggh". For the second time in, I think, two weeks blokes I've never met have seen fit to comment on how ugly I am in public in my earshot. I know I'm a fucking dog, I do own a mirror, but I'm also not a piece of meat, and I do have feelings (which I know shouldn't be hurt by cretins like them, but it's not exactly happy-making).

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TICTH the political consensus in Rotherham that decided it was preferable to suppress complaints about paedophile rapist gangs in the name of "community" cohesion.

Whose community exactly?

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Kelly Alves

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Luvanddaisies -- that commercial was so vapid and mealy mouthed I had to stop watching it. Ye Gods. [Roll Eyes]

As for the guys-- don't let the bastards grind you down-- as David Henry Hwang suggested, the uglier a guy is (or is afraid he is), the more strictly and unforgivingly he evaluates the appearance of women. That kind of assholery is classic projection.

[ 27. August 2014, 14:22: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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North East Quine

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quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
This patronising sexist fuckwittery. The 'Better Together' campaign seem to be more adept at making the case to vote 'yes' than to vote 'no'. "The guy off the telly"? pfft.

In fairness, him off the telly's only been First Minister since May 2007. You can't expect an ordinary women voter to have picked up his name in that time. Quite rightly, she focusses her attention on supervising her husband's breakfast, lovingly encouraging him to "eat his cereal." Her husband, his head full of manly political thoughts, might forget to eat if she wasn't around to look after him.
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Kelly Alves

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The meme counteroffensive is freaking fantastic, though.

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I cannot expect people to believe “
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Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.

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As usual, there's a marvellous twitter account that shows the ad for what it is: PatronisingBT

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orfeo

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TICTH everyone being obsessed with the colour of Obama's suit. For God's sake, he's still in a suit!

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So what colour was it??

We are in the middle of one of the dirtiest political campaigns ever here* and don't really hear much about what's going on eleswhere [Roll Eyes]

* maybe it's just the most obviously dirty.

Also CTH the blogger who called Christchurch people pondscum. FGS is it our fault we had a frigging series of quakes??!!! And Yes, it may cost the country money to bail us out, that's countries and communities work.

Ignorant bastard. [Mad]

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
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Also CTH the blogger who called Christchurch people pondscum. FGS is it our fault we had a frigging series of quakes??!!! And Yes, it may cost the country money to bail us out, that's countries and communities work.

Ignorant bastard. [Mad]

Oh, FUCK HIM. (fault line solidarity)

And Obama's suit was tan. Perfectly fitting for summer.

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I cannot expect people to believe “
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Haven't seen the pics but what was it, gaberdine? Just the thing for Washington in August, I'd have thought. but if I am going to conemn anything in this area to hell it is the half-arsed efforts of world leaders to look casual- as at the G8 in 2013. (Look at them- it was at Lough Erne, FFS- what's wrong with some decent Irish thornproofs?)

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la vie en rouge
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TICTH the President of the Republic.

François Hollande is not my friend.

Like many other people in France, I have top-up medical insurance provided by my employer (basically the Social Security pays 70% of your medical costs and you need insurance for the rest). The conditions of my work contract stipulate that I am not allowed to opt out of the scheme (even if, as will soon be the case, I am already covered by spouse’s insurance).

In January this year, our friendly Socialist government decided to consider employer medical insurance contributions as taxable income, and - here’s the really fun bit – make the move retroactive for the previous year, so there would be nothing you could do about planning your finances around it.

Fast forward to today, I receive my tax notice and discover that the retroactive reintegration of my medical insurance has pushed me up into a higher tax bracket and now I have a whopping great tax bill that I could do nothing to plan for.

Vote for the left, everyone. [Mad]

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A lefty that doesn't like high taxes? Is this opposites day?

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Glad to see that your stellar intellect grasps sarcasm, deano.

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quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Vote for the left, everyone. [Mad]

What other options would we have if a general election is called tomorrow?
[Paranoid] [Ultra confused] (and do you get a vote - yet - anyway?)

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la vie en rouge
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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Vote for the left, everyone. [Mad]

What other options would we have if a general election is called tomorrow?
[Paranoid] [Ultra confused] (and do you get a vote - yet - anyway?)

True. The really depressing thing is that if an election was called tomorrow, Marine LePen would probably come out on top (although I'm assuming she'd lose in the second round, whoever she was up against). The centre has exactly no worthy candidates and the Socialists are having a kamikaze moment AFAICT.

I am very depressed about the politics of this country.

(I could apply for a vote already, having been here for ten years, but I'm going to wait a bit longer and apply on the basis of marriage. It involves less paperwork.)

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Marine Le Pen can't come top, in person, of a general election, which is far more likely to happen sooner than a presidential election. Her Front National would probably hugely increase their number of seats in a general election, conceivably enough to muscle in on a coalition.

(It took us three years to get French natonality after 20 years here).

[ 29. August 2014, 11:38: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
A lefty that doesn't like high taxes? Is this opposites day?

There are plenty of lefties that don't like high indirect taxes, eg VAT, petrol duty, TV licence fees and council tax. I could add passport fees and that's another cash cow. These are difficult to avoid so rich and poor plus those of us in between pay them.

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Eutychus
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quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Vote for the left, everyone. [Mad]

What other options would we have if a general election is called tomorrow?
[Paranoid] [Ultra confused] (and do you get a vote - yet - anyway?)

True. The really depressing thing is that if an election was called tomorrow, Marine LePen would probably come out on top
As discussed, impossible, but she is apparently happy to be prime minister, um, under Hollande (link in French)
[Help]

[ 29. August 2014, 20:11: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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Cher Monseurs et Madames:

Vous may deescuss ze politic Francais at the length le elsewhere, but is it not permitted here? No, it is not.

—A.

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Eutychus
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You're right. Hell's too good for French politics.

[ 30. August 2014, 06:35: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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luvanddaisies

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quote:
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You're right. Hell's too good for French politics.

[Killing me]

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Penny S
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Insomnia. Fouling up my entire weekend.
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orfeo

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TICTH Websites that have no means of you deleting an account. I don't want a relationship with you for the rest of my life. It turns out I only wanted a relationship with you for about 10 minutes.

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Uncle Pete

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Is this your way of leaving the Ship, Orf?

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orfeo

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Hardly. I've had a relationship with THIS place a hell of a lot more than 10 minutes!

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Ariston
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But for how long did you want it?

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I've got over 13,000 posts and I signed up to be a host. That isn't exactly an exit strategy. Join the dots.

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la vie en rouge
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Bugger. Bugger bugger bugger.

I run 12km into work. And when I get here, what do I find? The shower is out of order and they didn’t bother to tell any of us about it.

I have washed VERY thoroughly in the sink and doused myself in generous amounts of scented products. Apparently it worked because my colleague commented that my perfume smells nice, ergo I don’t stink. But I am Not. Happy. Nor do I feel deeply professional. [Mad]

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TICTH not this oaf himself, he may yet be redeemable, but his attitude and whatever life experiences have led him to think it's acceptable. And I expect the fact he will be sentenced by a female judge will just reinforce his sense of victimhood. [Mad]

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Tony's Cronies at GQ magazine - Philanthropist of the Year my arse. Self-publicist, self-promoter of the year, maybe.

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Sioni Sais
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quote:
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Tony's Cronies at GQ magazine - Philanthropist of the Year my arse. Self-publicist, self-promoter of the year, maybe.

Kim Kardashian got "Woman of the Year". Puts it all in perspective.

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True.

I suppose though, that one would expect GQ magazine's "Woman of the Year" to mean "female with nice breasts who's not too shy about showing them".

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TICTH my phone and internet provider. They did some work on my line today, which involved turning it off for a few hours, and which was duly announced. But of course, as nearly always with the bastids, when I got back home much later, the entire thing was still off. No bleedin' dialling tone, nowt, long after the announced interruption.

And the idjets of the fairly useless helpline keep advising me to 'turn the router off, and then on again after a minute' - although I keep telling them that the entire bloody line is down, as there's no dialling tone. This somehow just doesn't compute with them!

So I'm sitting here at night, waiting for the service guy to ring me back on the mobile. Which he may do when I'm off to work again tomorrow and can't answer the call. Don't fecking ring me - JUST TURN THE FUCKING THING BACK ON!!

Jeebus!! [Mad]

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I can't see as sharply as I'd like because I'm wearing my old glasses while the optometrist fixes the prescription in the new ones, I can't put my contact lenses in because one eye decided to be itchy and watery when I woke up (early spring and it's windy), lots of muscles are aching because I finally went back to the gym for the first time in months, on account of admitting that I'm getting an unappealing middle-aged paunch, and my ongoing ear trouble is currently causing a stabbing earache on the right hand side.

Enough with all the annoying niggles! Give me my full health back, you bastards!

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Kelly Alves

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Afuckingmento that.

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Vod****e for being complete fuckwits.

For refusing to note on screen that other family members can discuss their own 'phones without me there to hold their hand.

For humiliating my sons in public - employee saying to crowded shop 'just because you say its been arranged doesn't make it true with me'.

For being almost impossible to reach by 'phone.

We have to stick with them because other mobile signal where we live is almost non-existent.

[ 04. September 2014, 12:57: Message edited by: L'organist ]

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Originally posted by L'organist:
Vod****e for being complete fuckwits.


We have to stick with them because other mobile signal where we live is almost non-existent.

And I suspect they know that.....

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
Vod****e for being complete fuckwits.

For being almost impossible to reach by 'phone.


Hey, me too. It's interesting to know their lack of service applies in other countries too. [Mad]

For a company that specialises in communication they are remarkably bad at it.

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On the other hand they are prolific senders of emails that make it obvious that they didn't read the answer they were last given. [Roll Eyes] (I've had 7 in 3 days)

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Originally posted by JoannaP:
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Originally posted by no prophet:
You know who you are, stupid car drivers pretending to be overly polite. You try to wave cyclists through intersections, refusing to take your right of way, thereby endangering us. We slow down so you will get to the intersection before us, but you still insist on trying to wave us through, completely unconscious that there are other lanes and drivers who don't understand that you're trying to make yourself feel good at the expense of cyclists' safety. So I will yell "go!" at you and if you fail to understand that will have to simply wait until you do go. Of course, it won't teach you anything because some cyclists won't fight your false courtesy and go themselves.

Some moronic drivers do this to pedestrians too. And then get upset when I don't cross into the path of a car zooming along the other lane. [brick wall]
Sorry to dredge this up from the depths, but a similar thing happened to me this morning when I was taking my daughter school. We were waiting to cross a fairly busy road and one car stopped to let us cross; which was very kind, except a white van was coming the other way and clearly wasn't going to stop and let across (and I wasn't particularly expecting it to). So we let the van go passed, then when I looked around again, the guy in the car that had stopped was still waving us across as if we hadn't noticed and were just stood there because we were complete eejits who were unaware of what was going on.
However kind your waiting for us was, I'm not going to cross the road with my 7 year-old when there's a van coming the other very quickly. If you were keen to go, why didn't you when it was clear we weren't going to cross the road?!

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TICTH [...]

So I'm sitting here at night, waiting for the service guy to ring me back on the mobile. Which he may do when I'm off to work again tomorrow and can't answer the call. Don't fecking ring me - JUST TURN THE FUCKING THING BACK ON!!

Jeebus!! [Mad]

They just have. [Devil] A full 48 hours after they said they would! So I've cancelled the engineer person's appointment who was 'sposed to come round on Saturday morning, PLUS... have told them in no uncertain terms what I think of them, and how much compensation I want. Which was more then they offered initially. And I got it. (Told them I could prove every single penny I've spent extra on my mobile phone lines, which I don't use much otherwise.)

It helps to insist, even though it does take a lot of persistance. [Snigger]

(Oh, and my internet does indeed seem faster now, after all their fumbling mayhem.)

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Teachers Assurance, who have completely changed their online log-in process and won't let me in. They used to have a user name, a log-in number and ask for random characters out of my password (but never used the end of it). Now they want my email and my password, but don't recognise it.

Having slowly sent me a reset link, it has now rejected my new password when I try to login.

Here is a variant of something I read in the Oldie yesterday. I am sorely tempted. Password

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TICTH emotional manipulation and stupid little power games.
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Kids - who apparently thought that a good Father's Day present would be to wake up extra early, and be extra loud and extra demanding and extra obstreperous along with it...

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Its father's day ?

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It is here. We do everything backward down this way, you know...

And I also CTH my cat, who won't stop fighting, and is on antibiotics again, and leaking pus all over the show...

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