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Thread: Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard: What the hell are you on about?
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
AO,
You do realise, don't you, that by starting this hell call, you've simply pinned a target on your back?
Perhaps, but I can take flack like water off a duck's back.
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orfeo
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Or off a parrot's back.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I can take flack like water off a duck's back.
Dear Lord, it's not bad enough that you're as mentally inflexible as EtymologicalEvangelical, but now you're as braggadocioid as ThomasDF.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Dear Lord, it's not bad enough that you're as mentally inflexible as EtymologicalEvangelical, but now you're as braggadocioid as ThomasDF.
So, like, where did these people go? I don't think I met either of them...
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Ad Orientem
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Posted
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Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I can take flack like water off a duck's back.
Dear Lord, it's not bad enough that you're as mentally inflexible as EtymologicalEvangelical, but now you're as braggadocioid as ThomasDF.
Eh? We're all grown-ups here, aren't we? So we should all be able to take a little flack without getting too upset about.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Eh? We're all grown-ups here, aren't we? So we should all be able to take a little flack without getting too upset about.
The issue is that you do not appear to understand that the views of others might well be as valid as yours. That your view is as much interpretation as any other.
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Ad Orientem
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Posted
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Eh? We're all grown-ups here, aren't we? So we should all be able to take a little flack without getting too upset about.
The issue is that you do not appear to understand that the views of others might well be as valid as yours. That your view is as much interpretation as any other.
Ah! You mean become a relativist or something like that?
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lilBuddha
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![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
Now, this is another thing; imparting an extreme position where none existed.
Is this trait deliberately contentious or spectacularly dense?
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Ad Orientem
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No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
[ 07. August 2014, 04:50: Message edited by: Ad Orientem ]
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mousethief
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
As do we all. We're not all assholes about it, however.
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Ad Orientem
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# 17574
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
As do we all. We're not all assholes about it, however.
I might be vociferous. I'm not sure I've been an arsehole though. But, whatever...
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
Strangely, none of them are ever your own.
EDIT: The fact that you jumped to the conclusion that lilBuddha was talking about relativism is a perfect demonstration of how you haven't got a clue.
[ 07. August 2014, 05:53: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Posted
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Often you react as if someone talked to you in Martian.
You leave us out of this.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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I've been waiting for Mavin's post for hours. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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I had a football game to go to. Then sleep.
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Gee D
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Marvin, as Martians are already blue, what colour do you turn when you get very cold? Please sir, pretty please sir.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by Gee D:
as Martians are already blue
Wherever did you get that idea?
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Evensong
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
As do we all. We're not all assholes about it, however.
I might be vociferous. I'm not sure I've been an arsehole though. But, whatever...
No you're not a genuine arsehole. Opinionated yes. One track yes. But hey, we opinionated ones mostly all are. Your prevailing sin may be the appeal to your particular version of authority that rankles people that don't like the idea of authority at all (although they themselves are beset by the condition) but like you say, it's good to have geezers like you aboard as long as you're reasonably civil.
You've just touched a nerve. Martin is a tolerated and sometimes loved ship lunatic.
So prepare for backlash.
Personally I used to try and dissect his manner and understand what he says but in the end it was too much hard work. Just like poetry is too much hard work.
But he has occasional lucid gems which I do adore.
[ 07. August 2014, 11:08: Message edited by: Evensong ]
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Ariel
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Posted
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
as Martians are already blue
Wherever did you get that idea?
Sorry, I just had a mental image of a Smurf there.
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QLib
Bad Example
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[Tangent] quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
... having fun might get us sent to that "8" place, which I fear much more than Hell.
Come on - jump in and join us - the water's lovely when you get used to it. [/Tangent]
P.S. Martians are green as eny fule kno.
[ 07. August 2014, 12:20: Message edited by: QLib ]
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mousethief
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
As do we all. We're not all assholes about it, however.
I might be vociferous. I'm not sure I've been an arsehole though. But, whatever...
If you're right, then your response to lilBuddha wasn't assholity, it was abject moronity.
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
This view is just plain wrong.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by no prophet:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
No, some views I just think are plain wrong.
This view is just plain wrong.
But have you referred to the Church Fathers before making that statement? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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lilBuddha
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Silly boy, the Fathers have said all there needs to be said, and so has the Apostle. If they haven't, then it can clearly be implied that they spoke with their silence. And context is everything, except where it isn't, which is also clear because of what the Fathers have said, except for where they haven't, and that is the clearest of all.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Silly boy, the Fathers have said all there needs to be said, and so has the Apostle. If they haven't, then it can clearly be implied that they spoke with their silence. And context is everything, except where it isn't, which is also clear because of what the Fathers have said, except for where they haven't, and that is the clearest of all.
I'm sorry. I should have known that. How stupid am I? ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Beeswax Altar
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quote:
originally posted by Evensong:
You've just touched a nerve. Martin is a tolerated and sometimes loved ship lunatic.
At least now that Martin's obscure rants essentially parrot left wing boilerplate, Martin has become a tolerated and loved ship lunatic. Prior to that, Martin was neither loved nor tolerated. Apparently, only I remember that.
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The is neither left nor right in Jesus Christ. Nor parrots nor Martians (save Marvin).
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
The is neither left nor right in Jesus Christ. Nor parrots nor Martians (save Marvin).
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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QLib
Bad Example
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Posted
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
quote:
originally posted by Evensong:
You've just touched a nerve. Martin is a tolerated and sometimes loved ship lunatic.
At least now that Martin's obscure rants essentially parrot left wing boilerplate, Martin has become a tolerated and loved ship lunatic. Prior to that, Martin was neither loved nor tolerated. Apparently, only I remember that.
Or you think you remember it, which is not quite the same thing.
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Beeswax Altar
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No, I remember it very well. Not like it was a long time ago.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
The is neither left nor right in Jesus Christ. Nor parrots nor Martians (save Marvin).
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I think I understand. The OT -NT recapitulation. But why would we personify and flatter the OT. Mere dwarves on the shoulders of giants we.
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Posted
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
quote:
originally posted by Evensong:
You've just touched a nerve. Martin is a tolerated and sometimes loved ship lunatic.
At least now that Martin's obscure rants essentially parrot left wing boilerplate, Martin has become a tolerated and loved ship lunatic. Prior to that, Martin was neither loved nor tolerated. Apparently, only I remember that.
Your memory is failing you.
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Beeswax Altar
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No, it isn't. Comet always loved Martin. The rest are newcomers to the love Martin bandwagon.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
No, it isn't. Comet always loved Martin. The rest are newcomers to the love Martin bandwagon.
Until quite recently Martin PC posted self-indulgent bollocks. He got pulled up for it (IIRC), took a break and since then has made a lot more sense. OK, he's sometimes cryptic, but it hasn't been such hard work for at least 12 months. By making his posts more accessible he's scored some points (though we don't keep count).
Maybe you're cutting through the crap more easily too now?
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Beeswax Altar
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Glad to see I'm not the only one that remembers history more or less the way it happened. You do offer a slightly different interpretation of it. When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
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Most of the time, I wouldn't be able to tell if Martin's posts clash with 'left wing ethos' or not.
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Twilight
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Collective memory? Following Comet's lead? I beg your pardon. I can barely remember my own grudges for more than a few days, much less everyone else's. I do know I've liked Martin and his obscure delivery, long before you or Comet joined ship.
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IngoB
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
At least now that Martin's obscure rants essentially parrot left wing boilerplate, Martin has become a tolerated and loved ship lunatic.
Well, I don't know how beloved Martin was then or is now. I don't keep track of that sort of thing myself.
But you are correct about his change to being obscure about typical "liberal" opinions these days. And here's a curious effect. When Martin was being obscure about atypical (at least atypical for SoF) "conservative" opinions, I remember distinctly that I often was one of the few people who were grasping what he was saying most of the time. I did several posts where I basically "translated" (paraphrased) Martin for general consumption, and apparently successfully so (at least Martin seemed to be happy with the result).
Now that he has flipped to the endarkened side, I find myself more often than not baffled by his comments. So to me, his level of gibberish and incoherence has significantly increased...
This suggest that maybe Martin has stayed pretty much as he was. But that the difficulty of filtering the signal out of the noise of his blather is really to a large extent dependent on how close one is in opinion. If one is close enough in opinion, then by a kind of linguistic resonance one is largely able to get what he is saying. If one is far, then it all just becomes a blur of bullshit. If so, then the reason why many people think he has "improved" his writing is not that he has actually done so, but rather that the errors he is peddling these days are closer to the majority thinking of SoF.
Anyway, if true then this is a rather interesting cognitive phenomenon. I wonder if this has been studied before. If I were a psychologist, I would now think about turning this into some kind of study...
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that remembers history more or less the way it happened. You do offer a slightly different interpretation of it. When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
I ask again, when did he start posting supposedly left-wing stuff?
I'm with Sioni Sais on this, simply that he's making more of an effort to be understood.
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quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
No, it isn't. Comet always loved Martin. The rest are newcomers to the love Martin bandwagon.
It's okay, I love you as well. Love is all you need. Love love love. 💝
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QLib
Bad Example
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that remembers history more or less the way it happened. You do offer a slightly different interpretation of it. When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
I ask again, when did he start posting supposedly left-wing stuff?
I suspect that BA is incapable of distinguishing between liberal and left-wing. Not that Martin fits neatly into any of those boxes anyway, but I think it's true that Martin has become more theologically liberal over the years. However, I would have said that that move was well underway before BA graced us with his presence, so his insistence that none of this was a long time ago is even more puzzling. Perhaps Martin's recent efforts to express himself more clearly have made the change of heart seem more recent and radical than it actually was.
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Beeswax Altar
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quote:
Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that remembers history more or less the way it happened. You do offer a slightly different interpretation of it. When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
I ask again, when did he start posting supposedly left-wing stuff?
I'm with Sioni Sais on this, simply that he's making more of an effort to be understood.
It happened over the last two years. I can't say exactly when because I didn't participate on Ship of Fools for most of 2013.
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originally posted by QLib:
suspect that BA is incapable of distinguishing between liberal and left-wing.
And you can fuck right the hell off too. BA knows that politically liberal means something different in Europe than it does in United States. I've never understood why I was supposed to accept the European usage of the word was correct but whatever. As a result of BA knowing that, BA tries to remember to use Left Wing or Progressive when talking about the political left. Why? Because BA knows some prissy pedant will make that rather stupid point every single fucking time. In your case, QLib, you'll make the point rather it's relevant or not. Theological liberal means theological liberal every place. Martin's theology and his politics have taken a left turn over the last two years. And, no, this did not happen before I graced you with my presence. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that remembers history more or less the way it happened. You do offer a slightly different interpretation of it. When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
IMHO it is still self-indulgent bollocks.
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Evensong
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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
At least now that Martin's obscure rants essentially parrot left wing boilerplate, Martin has become a tolerated and loved ship lunatic.
Well, I don't know how beloved Martin was then or is now. I don't keep track of that sort of thing myself.
But you are correct about his change to being obscure about typical "liberal" opinions these days. And here's a curious effect. When Martin was being obscure about atypical (at least atypical for SoF) "conservative" opinions, I remember distinctly that I often was one of the few people who were grasping what he was saying most of the time. I did several posts where I basically "translated" (paraphrased) Martin for general consumption, and apparently successfully so (at least Martin seemed to be happy with the result).
Now that he has flipped to the endarkened side, I find myself more often than not baffled by his comments. So to me, his level of gibberish and incoherence has significantly increased...
This suggest that maybe Martin has stayed pretty much as he was. But that the difficulty of filtering the signal out of the noise of his blather is really to a large extent dependent on how close one is in opinion. If one is close enough in opinion, then by a kind of linguistic resonance one is largely able to get what he is saying. If one is far, then it all just becomes a blur of bullshit. If so, then the reason why many people think he has "improved" his writing is not that he has actually done so, but rather that the errors he is peddling these days are closer to the majority thinking of SoF.
Anyway, if true then this is a rather interesting cognitive phenomenon. I wonder if this has been studied before. If I were a psychologist, I would now think about turning this into some kind of study...
Something along these lines perhaps?
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Sioni Sais
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Not really. In your example words are used with plain meanings to form a simple sentence.
Martin eschews clarity and simplicity, although his grammar and spelling are first rate.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
And if he'd gone all Thatcher, you'd be amongst his acolytes. It is human nature, not any great revelation.
ISTM, there are those for whom the apple has lost its sheen, regardless of its colour.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
No, it isn't. Comet always loved Martin. The rest are newcomers to the love Martin bandwagon.
This is bullshit.
I know I'm a newcomer to the tolerate Martin bandwagon, because (and let's see if your wonderful memory can verify this) I issued a Hellcall to him back in the day, exasperated by the sheer unintelligibility of his posts.
But the reason I know your claim is bullshit is that a considerable number of people were expressing their affection towards Martin back then. I kind of noticed, given that I was expressing the opinion that I couldn't stand the man.
And tolerating him more recently has got precisely nothing to do with his political views. I couldn't really tell you what his political views are - he hasn't reached that level of clarity. But his posting style has changed. And it changed because he got punished. We had a marvellous little Hell thread where doublethink (who was then a Hellhost) applied a readability index to Martin's posts and removed all the vowels from any post that was above the stated limit. Then, I think, he got a couple of weeks shore leave.
And for those who have warmed to Martin: people don't just like Martin more on the grounds of him agreeing with him more. They like Martin more on the grounds of understanding him more.
[ 09. August 2014, 01:50: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
When Martin posted stuff that clashed with the left wing ethos of the Ship, it was self indulgent bollocks. Now that his thinking fits within the mainstream of the Ship, he has become an eccentric beloved poet while the former not politically correct biohazard has vanished from the collective memory.
And if he'd gone all Thatcher, you'd be amongst his acolytes. It is human nature, not any great revelation.
ISTM, there are those for whom the apple has lost its sheen, regardless of its colour.
I didn't call Martin to Hell. He called me to Hell a few weeks back. I've never called him to Hell. I've said several times I think Martin is a good person.
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