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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Guess what, goys and birls? Festivus just came early to the restofus—it's time for the Airing of the Grievances.
Got a petty complaint, something not worth a full-blown Hellcall? Some little thing that's been annoying you for years about one of your fellows—nothing major, mind you, just something *annoying*—something you just need to get out in the open? A sig line that's too long by half, a tendency to mangle code, a linguistic tic that just makes you cringe?
Go for it. No gripe too petty, no whine too small.
Feats of Str***th to follow.
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Jonah the Whale
Ship's pet cetacean
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l hereby nominate multiple offenders. Anyone who uses "outwith". Presumaby l don't have to give a reason other than the fact that l really really don't like it. You know who you are.
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saysay
Ship's Praying Mantis
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Croesus.
* keep losing my internet access so * can't keep up with everything.
But Croesus. As * 've seen him on the Ship, he deserves the Hell Call.
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"'Oh sweet baby purple Jesus' - that's a direct quote from a 9 year old - shoutout to purple Jesus."
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MSHB
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Crap spouted by Jonah the Whale:
l hereby nominate multiple offenders.
All you people who assume the world runs on Northern Hemisphere time. Folks, it is Spring here in Australia, and has been since 1st September. Seasons are not universal measures of time, so don't (for example) talk about books and films coming out in "Fall" - I have no idea when your autumnal season begins and ends.
So stop treating seasons as though they were universal truths. They are local to where you live. Your country, continent, or hemisphere is not the whole world - and the Ship attracts people from every climate zone.
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Ship's broken porthole
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Save me from those shipmates whose typical posting style resembles an old grump waving his cane, yelling, "Get off my lawn!!"
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Arethosemyfeet
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quote:
Crap spouted by Jonah the Whale:
l hereby nominate multiple offenders. Anyone who uses "outwith". Presumaby l don't have to give a reason other than the fact that l really really don't like it. You know who you are.
Aye, * do. * live in ****land, it cannae be helped.
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quetzalcoatl
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Yes, 'outwith' definitely the most irritating word in the language.
Also this:
This.
And all the sodding acronyms - it's like being in the sixth form again - SWALK, HOLLAND, IMO, IMHO, AFAICS, etc.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Crap spouted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, 'outwith' definitely the most irritating word in the language.
Also this:
This.
And all the sodding acronyms - it's like being in the sixth form again - SWALK, HOLLAND, IMO, IMHO, AFAICS, etc.
This.
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rolyn
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How about this this little bass-tad ... ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ?
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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To be honest, nothing really bothers me but, "to be honest," or TBH or its distant cousin, "actually." Just say it already! Don't imply that you've been lying up till now.
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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When * saw the OP, * thought it was going to link to this picture instead...
Perhaps this would be a good present to buy your nearest and dearest (or perhaps your worst enemy) for Festivus??
Oh, and my pet peeve is when people say 'And to cut a long story short....' (usually when it's already been a VERY long story indeed.... zzzzzzzzz!)
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Boogie
Boogie on down!
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rolyn
Please learn this lesson well and give my poor, dyslexic brain a break!
Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before.
Clear?
Thanks muchly!
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Lamb Chopped
Ship's kebab
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Y'all do realize that you're giving any mischief-minded shipmates a perfect primer for how to drive you mad. Right?
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Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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What I've just realized is that H&A Day has made my usual typos and misspellings appear to be just them messing around. Thanks!
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Soror Magna
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quote:
Crap spouted by Boogie:
... Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before. ...
No. Wrong. That was the convention when using mechanical typewriters. Now that we use computers with proportional fonts and the ability to justify text, those double spaces create blank "rivers" in the text. The modern convention is just one space.
And quit using the space bar and tab key and the enter key to lay out text - that's also antiquated typewriter shit. Use formatting. Or tables. Or text boxes.
Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
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Boogie
Boogie on down!
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Soror Magna, that's fine - either way is OK imo.
But the space never, ever comes before the full stop. That's what hurts my eyes!
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saysay
Ship's Praying Mantis
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quote:
Crap spouted by Soror Magna:
The modern convention is just one space.
Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
And what we're all just supposed to magically unlearn 30 + years of muscle memory?
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"'Oh sweet baby purple Jesus' - that's a direct quote from a 9 year old - shoutout to purple Jesus."
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I still do the two spaces after a full stop, I was taught it when I was taught to use a computer at school, we did the CLAIT exam and it was on the syllabus.
I think it looks better when you are word processing.
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itsarumdo
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Justrtrying one space full stop. Justrtrying two space full stop. Justrtrying three space full stop. Justrtrying one space full stop. Justrtrying one space full stop.
course, it's all buggered up by HTML which removes runs of spaces and replaces them with one space. Two looks better in a printed doc. And Garamond.
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Crap spouted by Soror Magna:
The modern convention is just one space.
Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
And what we're all just supposed to magically unlearn 30 + years of muscle memory?
That's what I thought—well, not 30 years, but several.
Then I actually tried changing. Took me about a week.
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saysay
Ship's Praying Mantis
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Crap spouted by Soror Magna:
The modern convention is just one space.
Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
And what we're all just supposed to magically unlearn 30 + years of muscle memory?
That's what I thought—well, not 30 years, but several.
Then I actually tried changing. Took me about a week.
But I'm talking 30 years. Having learned on a manual typewriter where you had to pound on the keys. And having spent several years where I typed for 8+ hours per day.
I've tried.
Not all 21st century arbitrary conventions are worth adjusting to.
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I'll tell you all about it when I see you again"
"'Oh sweet baby purple Jesus' - that's a direct quote from a 9 year old - shoutout to purple Jesus."
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RooK
1 of 6
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Outside of shitty software like the Ship, I force my font into fixed-width (usually Courier New, because it's common, and because I hate everyone). Partially because I often work with old databases with space-aligned columns of data, but also because I find that I can proof-read better with fixed-width fonts. In a fixed-width font, the visual cue of the double-space after a full stop is pretty effective.
The really fascinating part is... no, wait. There isn't any of this that is fascinating. We do what we like, and judge others for what they do. It is always thus.
Outwith the fictions of tolerance and forgiveness, of course.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
quote:
Crap spouted by Boogie:
... Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before. ...
No. Wrong. That was the convention when using mechanical typewriters.
Nope. Bzzt. Wrong. The convention predates manual typewriters; in typesetting, an extra-wide space was used after a full stop. When typewriters came along, the extra-wide space was interpreted as two spaces instead of one. But the extra-wide space predates the typewriter. The idea that the space after a full stop should be the same width as the space after a comma is a desktop-publishing forgetting of the older convention.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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I just do it the way my boss tells me.
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RooK
1 of 6
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Translation: kneepads.
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quetzalcoatl
Shipmate
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I do it the way publishers tell me to. They're the chaps with the money, and I crave money.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Translation: kneepads.
Ewwwwwww.
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rolyn
Shipmate
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OK Boogie. Will try harder not to do that. I ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) you too much to want to drive you nuts.
It's just that my brain doesn't cope well with bunched up type.
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MSHB
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
Kneepads could be ads for Kneep.
Without the space we cannot be certain.
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Boogie
Boogie on down!
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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
OK Boogie. Will try harder not to do that. I you too much to want to drive you nuts.
It's just that my brain doesn't cope well with bunched up type.
Bless you ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
Two good things out of my moan - I now know that you love me and I brought the venerable RooK out on to a thread!
(Three if you put those darn full stops where they should be! ![[Biased]](wink.gif) )
**goes of to bask in success**
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quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
Surely, 'knee-pads'?
My pet hate of the verbal kind. People who say: 'I bought him along for the journey'. Or 'she bought the pavlova to the party', or 'I bought the children to the playground'. Did you? Did you really? Did you BUY your children TO the playground? How does someone even do that?
'Bought' and 'brought' used to be two entirely separate words, with two completely different meanings when I was failing my 11+ at school. Unless things have changed it would be great to hear someone on TV (or anyone else) using the word 'brought' properly.
'I bought the dog in the car with me' is either just the usual tedious ignorance of how to use the word 'brought' or a very convoluted way of needlessly explaining that the dog in your car was purchased by you. Or, I don't care if you bought the wine, stole it or brewed it yourself - so long as you BROUGHT it? It's not a 'buy-a-bottle party (or a 'bing-a-bottle' party for that matter). The correct answer to the question: 'Did you BRING this?' is 'Yes, I BROUGHT it.' Or even 'No, I BROUGHT something else.' Don't tell me what you BOUGHT. I don't care about your shopping list or your lazy use of simple basic English.
(Yeah, I'm obsessed with this. I just reckon if a real stupido like me can get it right surely at least a few percentage of the morons on TV - and in the general population - can, too.)
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agingjb
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A reliable method to lose
My respect all at once is to choose
To replace "lose" with "loose";
Which is wrong; it's abuse.
And it's something I cannot excuse.
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rolyn
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
(Three if you put those darn full stops where they should be! )
A long long time ago in a previous life,(or previous site should I say), Mrs R picked me up on exactly the same thing. But of course you know how it goes when one's nearest and dearest tells us to do something.
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Lyda*Rose
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Ah. First world English language problems, worthy grievances, indeed.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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Is this basically the thread for things that are too pathetic even for TICTH?
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RooK
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quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
Translation: someone who never played any sports.
Or bothered to check a dictionary to verify when dealing with their intellectual betters.
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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
[QUOTE]Crap spouted by Boogie:
[qb] ... kthnxbai.
What does "kthnxbai" mean?
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P.S. Sorry about the coding bollocks: I didn't notice it until after the time-limit. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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I may not be on an island any more, but I'm still an islander.
alto n a soprano who can read music
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Is this basically the thread for things that are too pathetic even for TICTH?
You should see the neighborhood listserves I'm subscribed to. Makes this look like grave discussion in the UN General Assembly by comparison.
Maybe nobody here has any long-standing petty differences with other Shippies…nah, I think everyone would just prefer to be quietly passive aggressive and gripe about them elsewhere, rather than take the chance to be open when offered. Carry on.
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Pooks
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
Maybe nobody here has any long-standing petty differences with other Shippies…nah, I think everyone would just prefer to be quietly passive aggressive and gripe about them elsewhere, rather than take the chance to be open when offered. Carry on.
Nah, not true. I do. I'm just too senile to remember who or what.
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Boogie
Boogie on down!
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quote:
Originally posted by piglet:
What does "kthnxbai" mean?
OK - Thank You - Goodbye
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
Maybe nobody here has any long-standing petty differences with other Shippies…nah, I think everyone would just prefer to be quietly passive aggressive and gripe about them elsewhere, rather than take the chance to be open when offered.
They're too busy taking the chance to gripe at us in Styx. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Lamb Chopped
Ship's kebab
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
quote:
Crap spouted by Boogie:
... Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before. ...
No. Wrong. That was the convention when using mechanical typewriters.
Nope. Bzzt. Wrong. The convention predates manual typewriters; in typesetting, an extra-wide space was used after a full stop. When typewriters came along, the extra-wide space was interpreted as two spaces instead of one. But the extra-wide space predates the typewriter. The idea that the space after a full stop should be the same width as the space after a comma is a desktop-publishing forgetting of the older convention.
Bzzzzztttt. Sorry, no, thanks for playing. The real oldest convention is to go out with the other printers' journeymen, get thoroughly sloshed at lunchtime, and then go back to work and justify your lines of print by adding extra spaces in random places. If this isn't enough for some reason, add an extra double letter or a random 'e' at the end of a worde.
Guesse howwe I knowe thatte .
![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif) LC/editor of 17th cent. variorum text
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Autenrieth Road
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Typography in Heaven, typography in Hell.
Only 8 more boards to bring the good word, or rather good wordspace, to.
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Truth
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Autenrieth Road
Shipmate
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Too stupid to be worthy of a full on TICTH rant, but Jesus H. Christ, people are wierd:
Whiny Jerk From US: "deadlines shouldn't be in the middle of a workday"
Arbiter of Reason: "worldwide course, deadline will be in the middle of somebody's workday"
WJFUS: "look at where people are geographically most represented"
AR: "China, Russia, and India. Plus you have three whole weekends to work on the material in advance"
WJFUS: "but it's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Jesus H. Christ, people are wierd, part 2:
Clueless: "are we supposed to upload one file or also fill in the boxes duplicating our answers from the file"
Arbiter of Reason: posts instructions from right above boxes and file upload point answering the question.
Look, I'm sorry folks, but statistics requires verbal and mathematical ability. So start the fuck out with READING THE INSTRUCTIONS.
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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Double spaces after a full stop can look rather nice. Don't you think so?
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Autenrieth Road
Shipmate
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You're not catching me out that way: I'm only putting full stops at the ends of paragraphs.
Nyaah.
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