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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
... Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.,,,,
I'll own to praying that, although not in public in English.
To my mind, it encompasses a lot more than a St Christopher's medal. It doesn't try and blackmail God into getting you there on time or unscathed, just asks for mercy in whatever happens.
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Also, no one was ever merely ill - they were laid aside on beds of sickness.
They were also "under the doctor"!
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions have, under the influence of the latter language, been known to explain in the vernacular that their spouse is confined to bed on medical advice as follows: ma femme est au lit avec le médecin - "my wife is in bed with the doctor".
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
... Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.,,,,
I'll own to praying that, although not in public in English.
To my mind, it encompasses a lot more than a St Christopher's medal. It doesn't try and blackmail God into getting you there on time or unscathed, just asks for mercy in whatever happens.
...which reminds me of an anecdote about St. Teresa of Avila. She and a young nun were traveling to start a new convent. Their coach went off a bridge and into a river. The driver was killed. I think the young nun survived. Teresa yelled at God, "if this is the way You treat Your friends, no wonder You have so few!!!"
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cosmic dance
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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This thread holds a sick fascination. I spot two I use a lot. Context is Key (another great one).
Pyx_e, are you prepared to admit which ones?!! As a matter of interest, are you or anyone else prepared to stick their head over the parapet and defend any of these expressions?
"Cosmic dance." is the one I will admit to. Not always using the cosmic word but certainly my sermons are littered with dance analogies. For me the music/dance analogy works to describe Kingdom Grace.
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I don't let on it's a possible Nietzsche quote.
My name litters your sermons? I am deeply honoured Pyx-e. When can we meet?
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
.... They were also "under the doctor"!
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions have, under the influence of the latter language, been known to explain in the vernacular that their spouse is confined to bed on medical advice as follows: ma femme est au lit avec le médecin - "my wife is in bed with the doctor".
Tangent alert
Curious. To me 'under the doctor' is a Wenglish classic. If there's a related idiom in Breton French, perhaps they are both translations of something in Welsh/Breton.
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There are some wonderful examples coming out. Keep up the good work.
I don't think, by the way, that Cosmic Dance is automatically Revspeak as it is genuinely trying to get across an idea that is quite difficult to communicate. However, it is an expression that can tempt one into Revspeak.
Might one of the reasons why Revspeak is such a temptation be that communicating what is partly incommunicable is quite difficult. It becomes a convenient cop-out to use words in stead that are 'befuddling but give you a nice gooey holy feeling as they come out of your mouth'? Once one thinks one has got away with it for the stuff that is incommunicable, it becomes a drug to get one through every occasion.
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Firenze
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The friendly doctors are common in Ulster as well. As is 'She's in bed with her leg' (or whatever bodily part is afflicted).
Meanwhile, I remember one didn't have relatives and children, but 'loved ones and little ones'.
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The Intrepid Mrs S
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Can it really be that no-one has come up with 'mission-shaped diocese'?
Mrs. S, shaking her head in disbelief ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Rev per Minute
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I do feel that this thread is aimed at me personally... ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
However, as both a Rev and a civil servant, it may just be possible that I have on occasion and when faced with a situation of perhaps less than optimal confidence been heard by those of especially precise auditory skills to have used one or two of the above-mentioned circumlocutions in preference to a more precise and one might say straightforward comment that might be thought to lead more quickly to a full and total comprehension of the situation pertaining at that moment in time.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions
Is that Revspeak for 'Brittany'? (I'll include Loire-Atlantique for these purposes!)
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions
Is that Revspeak for 'Brittany'? (I'll include Loire-Atlantique for these purposes!)
No ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
And that Breton on the map is by no means uniform. But we'd better stop that tangent fast ("draw it to a close"? will there be an "aftermath"?)
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Dal Segno
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Meanwhile, I remember one didn't have relatives and children, but 'loved ones and little ones'.
"loved ones" has escaped from RevSpeak into JournoSpeak and PoliticoSpeak. People no longer have relatives or families, they have "loved ones".
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Enoch
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Have shipmates noticed that 'loved ones' are almost always either dead or somewhere else? The phrase is also uttered in a slightly reverential voice. Family that are present are very rarely, if ever, 'loved ones'.
People who aren't here at Christmas are 'loved ones'. People you actually spend Christmas aren't unless you yourself are telling people you are about to travel a long way to see them.
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Albertus
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Nauseating expression which to me invariably brings to mind Evelyn Waugh's 'Whispering Glades'.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
... However, as both a Rev and a civil servant, it may just be possible that I have on occasion and when faced with a situation of perhaps less than optimal confidence been heard by those of especially precise auditory skills to have used one or two of the above-mentioned circumlocutions in preference to a more precise and one might say straightforward comment that might be thought to lead more quickly to a full and total comprehension of the situation pertaining at that moment in time ...
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Pyx_e
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Cosmic, you have no need of me when you know the Prophet. "No method, no teacher, no guru..."
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Weatherwax
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"Radical welcome" which is Revspeak for "Open Table" which is Revspeak for "communion for the unbaptized..." (which is part of our Diversity) (which is part of being a mission-shaped community).
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Weatherwax:
"Radical welcome" which is Revspeak for "Open Table" which is Revspeak for "communion for the unbaptized..." (which is part of our Diversity) (which is part of being a mission-shaped community).
"Radical welcome" - I've not met that one before. As Revspeak, it's definitely got potential.
What is more, if it's being used for 'open table', that definitely meets the test in the OP,
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It's particularly useful if its native speakers can mean different things by the same word, but not admit it to each other.
'Open table' usually means 'we admit to communion people who are Christians but not pukka members of our own ecclesial community'. I've not heard it being used to mean specifically "communion for the unbaptized...".
I reckon 'radical welcome' meets the other tests in the OP. It takes ordinary words and use them in ways that don't fit with how ordinary people use them, and wouldn't guess. It also gives the speaker a nice gooey holy feeling as they come out of his or her mouth.
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Weatherwax
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SvitlanaV2
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For some time now British Methodist preachers have used the phrase 'young people' when meaning 'children', often when referring to the youngsters in Sunday School. I remember one minister correcting himself mid-sentence, which made it pretty clear what was going on.
The problem, though, is that for Methodists, 'young people' can also refer to people up to their late forties, so discussions can sometimes give the impression that five year olds and forty-five year olds are more or less in the same exotic category, ('We must do something for the young people') with older people somehow representing the normative voice of the church. It can feel somewhat patronising.
On a related note, I dislike the phrase 'young people are the future of the church' (which I last heard in a church sketch just a few weeks ago). It implies that 'young people' will be important, but not just yet....
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Enoch:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Weatherwax:
[qb] Open table' usually means 'we admit to communion people who are Christians but not pukka members of our own ecclesial community'. I've not heard it being used to mean specifically "communion for the unbaptized...".
If it doesn't mean it explicitly it usually means it functionally. Logistically, once you have open communion for "all followers of Christ" it gets pretty awkward to address baptism as a condition, even when your polity suggests (as ours does) that communion be limited to baptized Christians-- so most of us don't, at least in my tradition.
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Stercus Tauri
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I may have been dozing off at the presbytery meeting last night and missed the lead-in, but was jolted back by the phrase 'missional discernment' from someone presenting a report. Still no idea what he was talking about.
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Enoch
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I'd be prepared to stick my neck out and say that any phrase that includes the word 'missional' is going to turn out to be Revspeak.
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Rev per Minute
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Originally posted by Piglet:
Are you Sir Humphrey Appleby IRL? [/QB]
You may think that: I couldn't possibly comment...
A new one to me is 'focal ministry' leading, inexorably, to 'focal ministers'. I think that they are meant to provide a focus for different communities - local focal ministers, anyone? - but to me sounds like they need to visit the optician, and soon. Given that we are creating Ministry Areas and Ministry Area Leaders, the last thing we want is more new language to describe clerics. They will still be called 'Vicar' or 'Rev', whether ordained or not, by most people anyway.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
A new one to me is 'focal ministry' leading, inexorably, to 'focal ministers'. I think that they are meant to provide a focus for different communities - local focal ministers, anyone? - but to me sounds like they need to visit the optician, and soon. Given that we are creating Ministry Areas and Ministry Area Leaders, the last thing we want is more new language to describe clerics. They will still be called 'Vicar' or 'Rev', whether ordained or not, by most people anyway.
I suppose a minister from the agricultural working class appointed to a parish near his home would be a local yokel focal minister. He could use his voice a lot too ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Albertus
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And if this was in Southern California and the minister was trying to lose weight, s/he could be a SoCal lo-cal local yokel focal vocal minister...
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Isuppose a minister from the agricultural working class appointed to a parish near his home would be a local yokel focal minister. He could use his voice a lot too
Birthplace San Diego, so a vocal local yokel focal minister from SoCal.
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Enoch
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If one wants to mix Revspeak with a buzzword equivalent from another spheres of activity, does a 'focal minister' need a 'focus group'? If so, is the focus group the whole congregation, the PCC or a select group the focal minister has chosen because they think like him/her.
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