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Lyda*Rose
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Perhaps you'd explain the concept for the sake of the relative newbies on board?
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Oscar the Grouch
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I have to say that it was a very "interesting" board. And most helpful, in that it got people talking about a taboo subject. Christians aren't supposed to talk about sex, are they?
I think it's been long enough since T&T that it could be resurrected for a while.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Please tell me if it comes back I don't have to try to host it.
Well, someone will have to. If nobody volunteers this idea is going to be dead in the water.
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Kelly Alves
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( sigh)
I know I just volunteered for the music board, but given that I participated in at least some of the smartassery that got the thing shut down, maybe I can redeem myself.
But you join me, Chast! Come in, I'll be your sherpa! Part if the fun is eclectic guest hosts, and you're about as eclectic as it gets!
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Oscar the Grouch
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I've never done this sort of thing before. And there's a part of me that wants to curl up and die rather than do this. But....
I DO think that T&T is worthy of a temporary resurrection. Therefore, I would be willing to share hosting responsibilities.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
But you join me, Chast! Come in, I'll be your sherpa! Part if the fun is eclectic guest hosts, and you're about as eclectic as it gets!
I'm honestly scared about my ability (and time!) to do it, though. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) And I feel like I'm dangerously internet-obsessed as it is (and yes, I mean that, in a genuine addictive sense).
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Sioni Sais
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I joined when T & T was running (I may even have contributed to its demise ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) ). It got very tangential and any temporary revival might need different, probably tighter, ToRs, than the original had.
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Schroedinger's cat
Ship's cool cat
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IIRC, T&T died because most of the subject had already been discussed. In its final year, there were 2 or 3 threads of real value, most of the others were trivial.
So I think it would work if there were a range of issues and area that have not been discussed of late. Which might be the case.
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Emma Louise
Storm in a teapot
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I was around in the first TnT and really learnt a lot. I had been a rather "sheltered" Christian with some questionable theology.
I'm not sure it would work as well now - we're a bit more aware of our online identities/lack of anonymity/ etc. I think it was really good in its time though.
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ecumaniac
Ship's whipping girl
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I'm willing to host.
I already host the BDSM private board (see sig) which, if not exactly sex-related, is certainly sex-adjacent.
I think with the very reasonable concerns about privacy, it might be good to consider some sort of mechanism whereby people could submit OPs to be posted anonymously.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Providing hosts are trusted, pm to hosts which is then OPd by the host ?
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ecumaniac
Ship's whipping girl
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Good idea.
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ChastMastr
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I do think that since it's been something like a decade since it was around (I remember that I'd posted on it before I met Cubby, and our eleventh anniversary was this last May ), then there are a lot of Shipmates who never got to experience it. (Good Lord, where does the time go?)
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
But you join me, Chast! Come in, I'll be your sherpa! Part if the fun is eclectic guest hosts, and you're about as eclectic as it gets!
I'm honestly scared about my ability (and time!) to do it, though. And I feel like I'm dangerously internet-obsessed as it is (and yes, I mean that, in a genuine addictive sense).
Dunno, sherpas are for scaling mountains, seems the two of you would be more interested in ascending spires...
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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You also need a dead horse plan. Limited discussion, no discussion, discussion of practice only etc ?
[ 04. August 2014, 07:16: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
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Gracious rebel
Rainbow warrior
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There have actually been two previous 'runs' of T&T. The first was before I joined, but threads were still visible I think, as when it came around again, probably about 2003, I was aware of the concept.
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Gracious rebel
Rainbow warrior
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Found it! The first run of TnT was started in March 2002, and here is the first post . There are only 2 threads from this board still showing in Limbo - apart from that one, the other was the one ChastMastr referred to, started in March 2002 and subsequently moved to Dead Horses
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luvanddaisies
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I think it could be interesting too. Missed it, as I joined in 2004, although I've read some of the limbo-ed threads. It could be interesting - I'd certainly read it with interest.
[ 04. August 2014, 13:57: Message edited by: luvanddaisies ]
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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On the anonymous posting idea: the admins have had a little confab about this and decided it is not an option. Many of the Ship's 10 commandments depend upon shipmates owning their own posts, and in its earlier incarnations T&T worked just fine without anonymous posting. People shouldn't have to try to hold discussions without knowing who others' Ship identities are, and it would make calling someone to Hell problematic.
On another matter, and speaking entirely for myself, if this goes forward, I wish it would have a different name. The incongruity of "tits" and "testicles" bothered me then and it bothers me now. Breasts are secondary sex characteristics, not primary, their biological purpose is feeding the young, not producing them, and the hyper-sexualization of women's breasts is so far beyond being offensive it's ridiculous. (Though of course I suppose I could argue this on the board itself if it becomes a reality.)
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Schroedinger's cat
Ship's cool cat
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RuthW - I think you are right in terms of the name. Someone - maybe you - raised it at the time, but it was in the dying of the board anyway, so there was nothing really to do. For a resurrected board, and several years later, a better name should be chosen.
And I do think a discussion about the original name, and why that was considered acceptable by some, but not by others, would make an excellent thread.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Oooh names:
- No Sex Please, We're Christian ?
- Making Love is Harder Than You Think
- Sexual Expression & Faith
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ecumaniac
Ship's whipping girl
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
[*]Sexual Expression & Faith
I like this. Does what it says on the tin.
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Emma Louise
Storm in a teapot
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Id be really interested in the discussions. Not sure if I fall in the christian camp these days but a discussion with intelligent thoughtful people about sex and relationships would be right up my street..
Just not sure I want my many friends on the ship knowing what we get up to in the bedroom ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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- Genitals Prefer Blondes
- Karma Sutra Tribute Board
- 21st Century Song of Solomon
- Adventures in Friction
- Wherefore Art Thou, Elusive O ?
- Shaggable Shippies
- Debauchery Discussed
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Lyda*Rose
Ship's broken porthole
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Adventures in Friction
This. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Schroedinger's cat
Ship's cool cat
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Originally posted by Emma Louise:
Just not sure I want my many friends on the ship knowing what we get up to in the bedroom
What - you have children and are still, erm, getting up to stuff in the bedroom.....
That would be shocking.
I think we need to extend the tolerance and acceptance that is part of the ship especially to this.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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Went to a service last night where the first reading was from the Song of Songs, and I found it hard to believe how, well, pornographic it was. My beloved's head was "wet with dew", my fingers were "dripping with myrrh", he put his hands to my latch and I trembled. How it could ever have been read in a non-sexual way beats me.
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Emma Louise
Storm in a teapot
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Song of songs is v.definitely about sex! I think most people would acknowledge that.
S cat. It took a little hiatus in the sleep deprived year(s) but returned thankfully ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Went to a service last night where the first reading was from the Song of Songs, and I found it hard to believe how, well, pornographic it was. My beloved's head was "wet with dew", my fingers were "dripping with myrrh", he put his hands to my latch and I trembled. How it could ever have been read in a non-sexual way beats me.
If someone reading it isn't used to male sexual imagery, or their mind doesn't run on innuendo, it's easy to take it at face value. More true in the past than in this era. Or perhaps they might recognize it as sexual, but could hardly believe that such a thing would be in the Bible.
Anyway, you're mistaken, it's quite plain to see that it's really an allegory of God's love for his Church. ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Oops, that should have been 21st Century Song of Songs
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by ecumaniac:
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
[*]Sexual Expression & Faith
I like this. Does what it says on the tin.
So, atheists are not welcome? And non-theists only sort of?
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
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Adventures in Friction
This.
I liked that one, too.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, atheists are not welcome? And non-theists only sort of?
The Ship is the "Magazine of Christian Unrest" (italics mine) but as everyone is welcome here I would think everyone would be welcome on a board with the word "faith" in it... ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Oscar the Grouch
Adopted Cascadian
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Anyway, you're mistaken, it's quite plain to see that it's really an allegory of God's love for his Church.
In which case, God appears to be a bit of a dirty old man
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ecumaniac
Ship's whipping girl
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by ecumaniac:
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
[*]Sexual Expression & Faith
I like this. Does what it says on the tin.
So, atheists are not welcome? And non-theists only sort of?
Um. Sexual Expression and/or Faith?
But seriously. I think every single title is going to be exclusionary in some way, but we need to recognise that by finding something short/pithy/alliterative/funny it's going to exclude some people in its words. Even if we called it "Sex", that would exclude a-sexuals or non-sexual relationships or activities which I like to call "sex-adjacent".
But in reality, if they are welcome on the Ship then they are welcome on the board.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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We could just call it 'Bonkers!'
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
In which case, God appears to be a bit of a dirty old man
Works for me. We're the Bride, after all.
It's years since I last read SofS. For most of that time I've been teaching adolescents, who can see dirt ANYWHERE. With ears attuned to detecting, and so avoiding, filth I could hardly believe what I was hearing!
Anyway, for a title, what about "The Second Coming"? This is a new incarnation of an old idea after all.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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At my age hope is all that keeps me going....
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Gracious rebel
Rainbow warrior
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Originally posted by Firenze:
We could just call it 'Bonkers!'
I like this one a lot! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Proceed to see sea
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Bonkers just means 'crazy' to my Canadian ears. Nothing to do with sex. Shag, while understood since Mike Myers did the movies as the character Austin Powers, doesn't play either.
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