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Doublethink.
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Then you probably need offline support more than you need a temporary internet forum. Find someone to talk to, be that priest, lifecoach, spiritual director or GP.

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by Charlie-in-the-box:
I desperately need this board. I am adrift with no purpose or direction.

Yes - you need more than a board that might exist for a short while.

If you want to discuss, contact me on boredwithchurch@gmail.com - or check out my web site (boredwithchurch.info).

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I am proposing to put this as the following:

Me and Aurieneth Road to host.

Name : Faithfree

Description: A place to discuss the implications of having lost or rejected your faith, be that in a representation of the divine, or an expression of faith community.

Long Description: This is a place to explore the implications of no longer having the same faith that you once had, what the effect of this is on your life, and what you do now. It can cover the problems of having lost a community, as well as the psychological issues of having changed a belief.

Posting guidelines:The only expectations of posting are that you accept others lack of faith - we have made these decisions for good reasons. We can explore why we lost faith, if people want to, but it is not the place to try to proselytise. Please respect others decisions, and the pain that is associated with this.


If anyone has any critical changes to make, please let me know. Minor tweaks could take us until the heat death of the universe to resolve. We can work out minor details and tweaks.

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What about people who lost their faith in one religion but gained it in another?

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Schroedinger's cat

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ChastMastr - I want to focus on the loss of faith, so there might be some insight from there, but it is about the losing, not the gaining. I suspect that this situation would have the person focusing on their new found faith.

In some ways, all Christians have been through that, in that they have lost faith in not-being-Christian, and gained it in being-Christian.

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ChastMastr
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
In some ways, all Christians have been through that, in that they have lost faith in not-being-Christian, and gained it in being-Christian.

Well, some people--I imagine a lot of people!--were raised as Christians, though I was not myself. But the question of where the Christian life begins is probably most suited for Purgatory. [Smile]

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
What about people who lost their faith in one religion but gained it in another?

I think a single thread on conversion experiences would attract a lot of people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
What about people who lost their faith in one religion but gained it in another?

I think a single thread on conversion experiences would attract a lot of people.
I can see how something would fit - as long as it is not about "this is the answer to those dissatisfied with xxx", which is always a danger. I would not be too harsh if Chast wanted to start something along suitable lines.

The whole board will be flexible, learning what works and what doesn't. Even over the few months it will exist, it will change, I am sure.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
What about people who lost their faith in one religion but gained it in another?

I think a single thread on conversion experiences would attract a lot of people.
True! It might be best in All Saints rather than a debate-focused place like Purgatory, though.

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Schroedinger's cat

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The proposal has gone in.

HELP!

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RuthW

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And duly received -- assuming Adminly approval, it will be next in the queue following the prayer board.

quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
HELP!

[Big Grin]

You'll be fine. We give instructions and training before we throw you to the wol-- uh, before we proceed with the experimental board.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
What about people who lost their faith in one religion but gained it in another?

I think a single thread on conversion experiences would attract a lot of people.
I can see how something would fit - as long as it is not about "this is the answer to those dissatisfied with xxx", which is always a danger. I would not be too harsh if Chast wanted to start something along suitable lines.

The whole board will be flexible, learning what works and what doesn't. Even over the few months it will exist, it will change, I am sure.

Sorry, I was unclear-- i was thinking it would be better seperate from a board about loss of faith. ( as Chast said, in All Saints or Purg.) But flexibility is always a goid thing.

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
And duly received -- assuming Adminly approval, it will be next in the queue following the prayer board.

quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
HELP!

[Big Grin]

You'll be fine. We give instructions and training before we throw you to the wol-- uh, before we proceed with the experimental board.

The practicalities I am OK with - I do host Waving, and have hosted a public board before now too. It is more "what if nobody posts?" and "What if it is a failure?"

I am not sure there is training for that.

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RuthW

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Ah. Well, IMO if there's a Christian-focused bulletin board where such a thing can fly, it's this one.
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Autenrieth Road

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Schroedinger's Cat, thank you so much for putting this proposal together.

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Schroedinger's Cat, thank you so much for putting this proposal together.

Well thank you for offering to help.

It is a passion of mine, the faithfree. So it seemed like a place to try it out.

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I very much look forward to the launch. The Ship needs this - a place where liberal-minded people (like me!) can be sweetly reasonable, iconoclastic, serious, honest, and have a reasonable hope of someone, when I have a fit of throwing the dummy out of the pram, wiping it clean before putting it back in my mouth. [Razz]

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Kelly Alves

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The prposal's in? Hooray!

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I'm very much looking forward to this. I'll try to keep an eye out for it, SC.

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Schroedinger's cat

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Unless something drastic happens in the meantime, it should be running in the new year.

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Looking forward to it. Good luck!

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quote:
Originally posted by TheAlethiophile:
It's an idea that could be included in a wider set of testimonies which also includes those who have gone in the other direction and those who have changed faiths or denominations.

I would suggest: "Lost and Found"

How about "Lost and Profound"?

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Unless something drastic happens in the meantime, it should be running in the new year.

Many thanks SC. I will look forward to seeing it.

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A good idea. Good luck.

When will it start up ?

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Originally posted by fullgospel:
A good idea. Good luck.

When will it start up I wonder?



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RuthW

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Unless something drastic happens in the meantime, it should be running in the new year.

The current experiment started September 4, so assuming that it runs the full three months, the next one will start in early December.
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Will there be an unlit [Votive] icon for this thread? [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
Will there be an unlit [Votive] icon for this thread? [Smile]

If I understand you correctly --- that is an interesting question. I have friends to whom, once upon a time, I might have said something like 'I'll say a prayer for you'. Now I tend to say 'I will light a candle for you' . This does not offend my Christian friends whilst it remains true to my own beliefs (if it offends my fundamentalist friends I can't say I'm bovvered!). I also say this to atheist friends: hopefully I do not offend them. Certainly I do not think that Christianity has the monopoly on the use of candles as a way of 'connecting' with people.
So - I like the idea, Palimpsest.

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Lost at Sea
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Who is? Not me. As I've said, I deliberately gave-up my Christianity. A positive step for me and one I've not regretted. Not lost. Not at sea.
[Smile]
BTW I am not on a crusade.

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Is this meant to be up and running? Because I'm getting a message that I'm not authorised to start a new topic.

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Schroedinger's cat

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It is in preparation at the moment. Should be up soon.

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Posting on the Faithfree board is now open to all shipmates.
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