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sonata3
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What is SoF policy concerning MW reports on Seder meals? To be quite honest, I have my reservations about seders presided over by an ordained Christian minister. I attended one "celebrated" by an Episcopal priest, after which he segued into a celebration of the Eucharist; it felt wrong.
My spouse and I will be attending a Seder at the convent where we regularly attend Sunday Mass. It will be held on a Sunday afternoon. The congregation will be (largely) Trinitarian Catholic; it will be a service held in a Christian space. But the worship leader will be a rabbi, and the liturgy will be obviously non-Trinitarian. Is this an appropriate event to be MW'd, or no?

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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I don't see how it would qualify.

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Spike

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quote:
Originally posted by sonata3:

My spouse and I will be attending a Seder at the convent where we regularly attend Sunday Mass.

That in itself would disqualify you IMO as you are only supposed to report on places where you are a stranger, but that would ultimately be down to the editors.

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Alan Cresswell

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It may not be suitable for an MW report. That doesn't mean it wouldn't make an interesting discussion.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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The rule re reporting only on churches where you are a stranger has sometimes been honored more in the breach than in the observance. Obviously, if the principals involved in the service know they are being MWd, it won't fly, but if the MWer operates unobserved it can sometimes work.

This, however, appears to be a non-Christian service -- certainly non-Trinitarian -- presided over by a non-Christian clergyman, and so I don't see how it could work as a MW event.

As Alan said, however, it should make for interesting reading, but in a thread.

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Albertus
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There was a pagan Samhain MW'd back in '98, and a multifaith service at a synagogue in 2001.
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dj_ordinaire
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I think the policy is that acts of worship related to the (Trinitarian) Christian faith are no longer considered suitable for Mystery Worship. The project is about putting our own house in order, not criticising other people's! As Albertus notes, this rule has sometimes been bent but not for many years.

Hence, a so-called 'Christian seder' would be suitable while a 'real' one presided over by a rabbi would not. Or so it seems to me.

Christian seders are in any case somewhat controversial events. We discussed them in Ecclesiantics around this time last year, although I can't find the thread off-hand. It would indeed make an interesting subject for further debate there.

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quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
I think the policy is that acts of worship related to the (Trinitarian) Christian faith are no longer considered suitable for Mystery Worship.

Methinks there might be a missing negative in this sentence?

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RooK

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quote:
Originally posted by Qoheleth.:
Methinks there might be a missing negative in this sentence?

Not no.
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dj_ordinaire
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Ahem. Yes, that's embarassing!

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leo
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quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Christian seders are in any case somewhat controversial events. We discussed them in Ecclesiantics around this time last year, although I can't find the thread off-hand. It would indeed make an interesting subject for further debate there.

Indeed - many find them offensive

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ChastMastr
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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
Indeed - many find them offensive

And many don't. But perhaps that should be a Purgatory topic again rather than debating it here.

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RooK

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Quite.

Shoo.

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