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Although i am quite clear on what Scripture says about the issue as well as the Church fathers over two millennia.

So said many in 1860 about slavery.
I'm not in agreement with that point of view. But I guess you'd know that anyway.

St Paul makes it very clear in the early part of Romans how men and women choose certain paths to go down which are not right. Fortunately there is grace and mercy for us all - me included.

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Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:
Although i am quite clear on what Scripture says about the issue as well as the Church fathers over two millennia.

So said many in 1860 about slavery.
I'm not in agreement with that point of view. But I guess you'd know that anyway.
Claiming that Christian slaveholders of the mid-nineteenth century didn't claim a divine stamp of approval on the institution is historical revisionism of the worst sort. Do I need to provide citations?

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Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:
I do maintain the closing of Catholic foster agencies was an utter tragedy though.

For whom? Certainly not a tragedy for any kids who might need gay foster parents because their straight parents have disowned them.

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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:
I do maintain the closing of Catholic foster agencies was an utter tragedy though.

For whom? Certainly not a tragedy for any kids who might need gay foster parents because their straight parents have disowned them.
Or for foster kids in general who just need foster parents, gay or straight. Artificially shrinking the pool of potential fosterers implies an overabundance of foster parents relative to foster kids and we know that is actually the reverse of the situation in most jurisdictions.

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Eunice Jons appeared on Channel 4's 4ThoughtTV last week in a series about the royal wedding.

Holding a Bible, with her husband sitting mute in the background, she said that two men lieing together is an abomination and that church weddings should only be for (heterosexual) Christians.

She repeatedly mispronounced the word 'homosexual' and said, in a grudging sort of way, that we have to love everyone but that she hates 'the act'. 'If you believe the bible, it is very clear.....in Genesis 2 she was called woman because she was taken out of man' 'This country has gone from Christianity. It gets us down...devalued...eroded.'

I don't think any child should be fostered by such a bigot.

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Just curious, HOW can you mispronounce 'homosexual'? There are two pronunciations that I thought were equally valid, with the first syllable either rhyming with 'home' or with 'Tom'.

[ 08. May 2011, 08:47: Message edited by: Gracious rebel ]

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I knew someone who used to say "hermasexual".
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Just curious, HOW can you mispronounce 'homosexual'? There are two pronunciations that I thought were equally valid, with the first syllable either rhyming with 'home' or with 'Tom'.

She said 'omo...' - rhyming with 'home'

I am trying very hard not to sound racist - her accent is Afro-Caribbean. However, it should rhyme with 'Tom' since it comes from a Greek, not a Latin root.

I do not expect everyone to understand etymology but she must surely have been involved in discussions where the correct terms were used. If not, then I don't think she has much right to an opinion.

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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Just curious, HOW can you mispronounce 'homosexual'? There are two pronunciations that I thought were equally valid, with the first syllable either rhyming with 'home' or with 'Tom'.

She said 'omo...' - rhyming with 'home'
That's how it's said by everybody I've ever heard say it, including lots of people who are. You do know that pronunciation is a matter of usage, not etymology, right? Click on the little speaker

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Leo,

It's impossible for her to have said that. She can't have. Your misspelling of the word "lying" makes it obvious that you're an uneducated bigot who don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean to be racist or anything, but I do think it's fairly clear that you people from England should just stop doing English, since you can't seem to get it right. Leave it to us foreigners.

How about you take up Danish instead?

[Razz]

On the topic:

"It's not bigotry to think yourself right, but to be unable to understand how you could possibly be wrong."
- G.K. Chesterton

And no children should be subjected to such bigotry. It's inhuman and crude. The problem is just that there are so few people I would trust with children...

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Originally posted by JFH:
Leo,

It's impossible for her to have said that. She can't have. Your misspelling of the word "lying" makes it obvious that you're an uneducated bigot who don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean to be racist or anything, but I do think it's fairly clear that you people from England should just stop doing English, since you can't seem to get it right. Leave it to us foreigners.

How about you take up Danish instead?

[Razz]

On the topic:

"It's not bigotry to think yourself right, but to be unable to understand how you could possibly be wrong."
- G.K. Chesterton

And no children should be subjected to such bigotry. It's inhuman and crude. The problem is just that there are so few people I would trust with children...

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By calling Leo an 'uneducated bigot' your post breaches Commandment 3


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3. Attack the issue, not the person

Name-calling and personal insults are only allowed in Hell. Attacks outside of Hell are grounds for suspension or banning.

If you want to make posts like this you need to start a thread on it on the Hell board, notify Leo and then post there. Personal attacks are not allowed on any other board.

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An die Freude
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Leo (and Louise),

I'm sorry. Got a bit overexcited by Hosts' & Admins' Day and carried it way too far. [Hot and Hormonal]

Mea culpa. Sorry.

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Ah I wondered if you were confused! It's the same rules unless a host has posted somewhere to say they've been changed for the duration

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In **** just for you, I'm going to send the thread somewhere suitable.

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leo:
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However, it should rhyme with 'Tom' since it comes from a Greek, not a Latin root.

I do not expect everyone to understand etymology

I don't expect everyone to understand phonological change either, but honestly...

I am what the Census Office would categorise as White British, but I would normally also pronounce the vowel in the first syllable of 'homosexual' to rhyme with 'home'. Etymology aside, that is how most people I know would pronounce it, except where 'homosexual' is being pronounced in an unstressed position in very rapid speech. Dropping the 'h' at the beginning is common in many dialects of English and is not worthy of remark.

When a word is adopted into a language, sooner or later the pronunciation will be assimilated. The pronunciation it ends up with may bear no relation to the one it had in the original language and protests from more highly educated speakers who are aware of the word's origin will have little or no effect, although socially acceptable pronunciations may vary between different dialects of English. If you don't believe me, try using the British pronunciation of 'junta' in front of an American from the Southwest or ask a working-class speaker of Estuary English to pronounce 'voile'.

There are many reasons to attack this woman, but her pronunciation of the H-word is not one of them.

Jane R

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Re "junta":

Actually, most Americans would pronounce it differently from the British, even if they know nothing about Spanish, because that's simply the way it's said here. (For those who don't know, the Spanish "J" is normally pronounced like an English "H", so "hoontah".)

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Jane R
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<tangent> Golden Key:
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Re "junta":

Actually, most Americans would pronounce it differently from the British, even if they know nothing about Spanish, because that's simply the way it's said here.

Yes: I specified an American from the South-West because I suspect (judging by the reaction I got) that using the British pronunciation carries racist connotations for them that simply don't exist here. In a similar vein, I am quite happy to use the British pronunciation of 'junta' (unless code-switching between Spanish and English, as opposed to using a Spanish loanword in ordinary English speech) but would normally pronounce 'voile' as 'vwal' (the original French pronunciation) instead of 'voyl' because the assimilated pronunciation is only acceptable in lower-status British dialects (we're fighting a thousand years of social conditioning here). 'Mispronouncing' loanwords from Spanish does not carry the same social stigma in the UK. <\tangent>

Moving back to the original topic, these people would be right at the bottom of my list of acceptable foster parents (slightly below the neighbour's cat). Not simply because they are virulently anti-gay (although that is an important consideration), but because they are clearly unwilling to put the child's needs before their own where there is a conflict (as in the exchange about church attendance).

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tut tut

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Originally posted by JFH:
"It's not bigotry to think yourself right, but to be unable to understand how you could possibly be wrong."
- G.K. Chesterton.

Indeed - those who take the Bible as the starting point for any argument and try to fit any facts around it are precisely those who think it impossible that they are wrong.

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Leo--

Except that's one of the problems with a "revealed" religion or belief system. You're stuck with the revelation. You might take it all literally, or view some of it as pious stories, or think the whole thing's a fake, or be somewhere in the middle. But you've got to relate to it somehow, or walk away.

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Jane R:
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I am what the Census Office would categorise as White British, but I would normally also pronounce the vowel in the first syllable of 'homosexual' to rhyme with 'home'. Etymology aside, that is how most people I know would pronounce it, except where 'homosexual' is being pronounced in an unstressed position in very rapid speech. Dropping the 'h' at the beginning is common in many dialects of English and is not worthy of remark.
"omo-sexual"? Someone who wants sex with washing powder?

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I honestly don't give a flying arse how people pronounce the word "homosexual". Though I think "hom" to rhyme with "tom" sounds very old-fashioned and I don't know anyone who would pronounce it that way. I care about attitudes and civil rights, and people not getting beaten up.

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her accent is Afro-Caribbean.

Yes, we can't let Afro-Caribbean people enter the debate - they might mispronounce the words.

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Originally posted by leo:
her accent is Afro-Caribbean.

Yes, we can't let Afro-Caribbean people enter the debate - they might mispronounce the words.
Yes, it's all about the accent. Just the accent.

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"omo-sexual"? Someone who wants sex with washing powder?
[Roll Eyes] Well, I'd pronounce it with the H but lots of people wouldn't.

<tangent to the tangent> I didn't know Omo washing powder was still available. Besides, nowadays everyone uses washing liquid. Washing powder is sooo last century...<\tangent to the tangent>

And what Liopleurodon said.

Jane R

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Leo--

Except that's one of the problems with a "revealed" religion or belief system. You're stuck with the revelation. You might take it all literally, or view some of it as pious stories, or think the whole thing's a fake, or be somewhere in the middle. But you've got to relate to it somehow, or walk away.

No - sensible Christianity is not merely a 'revealed' religion. Tradition, reason and experience are alongside scripture.

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