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The Lady of the Lake
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Can anybody tell me which is the song that has 'we are a vapour' as its second line.
'You are the ___' is the first line, and I can't remember what ___ is. Anyway, it sounds so silly, the tune is just namby-pamby, and the theology is all over the shop. It gives the impression that we as creatures are 'nothing', a sentiment I tend to find dangerous. Oh, its time signature is also either 6/8 or 3/4, which means that it sounds like some sort of exceptionally silly lullaby. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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Originally posted by The Lady of the Lake:
Can anybody tell me which is the song that has 'we are a vapour' as its second line.
Google points me to
Be Unto Your Name, Robin Mark
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That's the one. All it says, as far as I can see, is 'You are eternal, we aren't, you're a lot bigger than us', none of which I can disagree with.
But then the only version I've heard is by the gorgeous Wellspring (listen here to a clip - scroll down to 'Lord of the Ages' CD) so I may be biased.
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"Be unto Your Name" is also on "Revival in Belfast" - IMO a distinctly non-crappy live CD.
To add to the Horrible Hymns list an NSM friend recalled finding a hymn with the title "My heart it is an oaken staff" - and said it was truly horrible. Based on the title it was pretty hard to disagree with him But I've never been able to find it. Anyone know it and can point to it?
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HenryT
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
...recalled finding a hymn with the title "My heart it is an oaken staff" - and said it was truly horrible. ...
I found "My faith. it is an oaken staff", number 148 in the Boys Brigade hymnal. Cyberhymnal has that here credited to Thomas T. Lynch (1818-1817) and thereby Public Domain.
First verse:
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My faith, it is an oaken staff,
The traveler’s well loved aid;
My faith, it is a weapon stout,
The soldier’s trusty blade,
I’ll travel on, and still be stirred,
By silent thought or social word;
By all my perils undeterred,
A soldier pilgrim staid.
I've never aspired to be "staid" myself.
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Thanks Henry, and now I know why I couldn't find it. It's pretty antique but not too horrible really. It could do with a few "nah, nah, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah, nah nah"s to improve its relevance and youth friendliness.
(To avoid misrepresentations, I like a lot of Kevin Prosch songs. "The Spirit of the Lord God" for example. Anyone who thinks that's horrible had better have a very good reason.....)
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I was gutted when Kevin Prosch's albums were taken off the shelves when he was caught up in some controversy in the Vineyard church. During my own struggles with my own faith his words always spoke powerfully, probably because his lyrics reflected a similar struggle.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Calindreams:
I was gutted when Kevin Prosch's albums were taken off the shelves when he was caught up in some controversy in the Vineyard church. During my own struggles with my own faith his words always spoke powerfully, probably because his lyrics reflected a similar struggle.
Yes. Exactly. I hope it is possible for Kevin to be re-habbed (if he hasn't been already). I reckon a lot of other people might as well. New thread?
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I have to confess a dislike for Kevin Prosch based on the few songs I've heard. 'Lord of the Dance' seems to be a re-working of 'woo God's my girlfriend and I'm happy', and the others are 'Lord break our Hearts' and 'Shout to the Lord', which I find a bit more bearable but still a bit vacuous.
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The Lady of the Lake
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Henry,
thanks for finding the title of 'Be Unto Your Name'. The poor grammar of the title irritates me as well. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
Ken's use of "anisotropic" reminds me obliquely of the whole genre of 1960/1970 "relevant" hymns such as God of Concrete, God of Steel. Anyone ever actually heard this sung? I never have.
Frederick R.C. Clarke and Richard Granville Jones in The Hymn Book of the Anglican Church of Canada and the United Church of Canada (1971 edition)
I'm pretty sure this song was discussed, mocked and even parodied farther back on this thread. I have never heard it sung but it is responsible for me cracking up audibly during a three-hour Good Friday service one time, as I was flipping idly through (unfamiliar to non-Anglican me) hymnal.
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Ian Climacus
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Visiting my mum's church, I was accosted by a song containing the refrain:
Celebrate, Jesus, celebrate!
Celebrate, Jesus, celebrate!
Celebrate, Jesus, celebrate!
Celebrate, Jesus, celebrate!
I know it's meant as invitation to celebrate the joyous resurrection of Christ, but I kept reading it as an imperative directed at Jesus: "You'll celebrate Your Resurrection and You'll darn well like it!"
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Sioni Sais
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That's another "Directive " hymn or song. I detest all of them of any era, even if Charles Wesley wrote it.
Instead of declaring that we will worship, praise, adore or celebrate (or whatever else is your won't) just get on and worship Him, praise Him, adore Him or celebrate Him. Especially today. Just do it!
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
That's another "Directive " hymn or song. I detest all of them of any era, even if Charles Wesley wrote it.
Speaking of Wesley, aren't some of the words of "Christ the Lord is risen today" quite odd.
We had some international students at church today who had not a clue of what was going on - and I could see where their confusion stemmed from.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
That's another "Directive " hymn or song. I detest all of them of any era, even if Charles Wesley wrote it.
I think it was some chap called Dave who made them popular. Jewish guy...
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Originally posted by Leprechaun:
Speaking of Wesley, aren't some of the words of "Christ the Lord is risen today" quite odd.
We had some international students at church today who had not a clue of what was going on - and I could see where their confusion stemmed from.
Which bits? Just checked out the words at cyber hymnal and the only bits I could find that are maybe a little odd are:
'Lo! the Sun’s eclipse is over, ....
Lo! He sets in blood no more'
but I don't think it's that difficult is it? (except that I think Cyber Hymnal must have got it wrong - sure it should be 'o'er' not 'over', to make it rhyme and scan!)
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Originally posted by TrudyTrudy (I say unto you):
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
Frederick R.C. Clarke and Richard Granville Jones in The Hymn Book of the Anglican Church of Canada and the United Church of Canada (1971 edition)
I'm pretty sure this song was discussed, mocked and even parodied farther back on this thread. I have never heard it sung but it is responsible for me cracking up audibly during a three-hour Good Friday service one time, as I was flipping idly through (unfamiliar to non-Anglican me) hymnal.
Ah yes, the monstrosity my father has always called "The Red Oven Door". I take it you didn't get to the one that thanked God for "this sacrament of sex that recreates our kind". Between unsingable arrangements, rewordings that seem to be only for the sake of change, and hymns no-one would want to sing anyway, that book has to be the absolute worst thing ever foisted on unsuspecting Christians. Most places went back to the old Book of Common Praise a few years after the red thing came out. I don't know of any Anglican parish on the island that uses it, the church in my hometown having given up it's occasional use of it for the new green book. The latter is an improvement, but I suspect it is best received in those parishes that have used nothing else than the aforementioned piece of crap for the past thirty or so years and have thus forgotten what a good hymn is supposed to be anyway. What odds about blessing gay unions, we should have been drummed out of the Communion for allowing that thing in the door, IMNSHO!
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Originally posted by shareman:
...Most places went back to the old Book of Common Praise a few years after the red thing came out. I don't know of any Anglican parish on the island that uses it...
The red union hymnal gets a fair amount of use in the Anglican Diocese of Ottawa. Some parishes have taken up the new Anglican book, which I think is also titled Comon Praise. The new United Voices United has its moments ... good and bad. I was at one Anglican parish in Toronto that was seriously discussing adopting Voices United.
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John Holding
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Shareman -
The Red Book was almost universal in Western Canada and Ontario. Interseting to hear what your father thought about it; do you have an opinion of your own?
And the new book is blue, not green.
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Originally posted by John Holding:
Shareman -
The Red Book was almost universal in Western Canada and Ontario. Interseting to hear what your father thought about it; do you have an opinion of your own?
And the new book is blue, not green.
John
1. Not so's you'd notice. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
2. I'd have sworn copies I've seen of it are green. We don't use it, though I have seen it and read through it, though not recently. It's certainly an improvement over the Red one. Our former organist took exception to a Christmas hymn that made reference to "hope stillborn" but I don't recall the exact context now. I remember not being so upset by the reference when I read it, all the same.
What I don't understand is the seeming desire to change things for the sake of change. I don't mean doing away with exclusive language or the like, or of getting rid of racist (arguably, given the discussion a while ago on Greenland's Icy Mountains)hymns. I mean leaving out verses, for instance. Sorry, I don't own a copy, and thus can't give examples. I remember that the "new book" is not as bad for that sort of thing as the Red one was. We used it at home last Christmas Eve. One of the carols we sang was shortened in this fashion, can't remember which one at present, but it seemed needless to me. Sorry not to have specific references, but I'll see if I can find a copy over the next couple of days and be more specific.
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Originally posted by shareman:
I mean leaving out verses, for instance. Sorry, I don't own a copy, and thus can't give examples. I remember that the "new book" is not as bad for that sort of thing as the Red one was. We used it at home last Christmas Eve. One of the carols we sang was shortened in this fashion, can't remember which one at present, but it seemed needless to me. Sorry not to have specific references, but I'll see if I can find a copy over the next couple of days and be more specific.
Possibly it's to do with the (perceived or actual) shortened attention span of modern youngsters/non-regular churchgoers/people in general. Or to do with the fact that non-regular churchgoers really aren't used to corporate singing. Therefore, the thought goes, we shouldn't stress the poor things too much by inflicting too many verses on them. Even if you disrupt the entire narrative structure by doing so . (Think of the consequences of missing out certain verses of "At the name of Jesus"...)
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John Holding
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I use the new book primarily as a source, but I have to say I haven't noticed the problems SHareman has found in his extensive use of the book.
SHortening Christmas carols is a perennial topic on these boards (though not, I think, a dead horse. As I'm not really aware of many Christmas carols in any hymnbook, including those in the Blue Hymn Book (1938 -- and the Spirit really hasn't spoken to any composers or authors since) Shareman prefers, that haven't been shortened, edited or generally buggered about with, I'm long since past worrying about it.
A hearty chorus of "Hark how all the welkin rings" anyone?
John
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First of all, I never laid claim to extensive use of the book. In fact, I stated clearly I didn't have much experience of it. I found some things I didn't like, some things I did. In fact, I specifically stated I thought Common Praise an improvement over the previous one.
I suspect from your tone you had some input into the compilation of one or both books. If it was Common Praise and you feel unjustly attacked, I apologize. I do have limited exposure to the book, and feel it has good points and bad points, as far as I know it. More familiarity may give me a better feeling concerning it, though my current feeling isn't too bad. If however, it was the red hymn book into which you had input, sorry, you've gotta take your licks on that one. It has little to redeem it as far as I'm concerned.
I am not one to believe Liturgy or Hymnody ought to be engraved in stone. It is just very difficult for the average person in the pew to see why things are changed some times. The attitude one gets from those who would innovate that if we don't agree with the changes being made then we must just be stick in the mud old fuddy duddies or unsophisticates who don't know what's good for us doesn't help matters. Neither does the constant carping from those for whom things have to be fixed for all time. If one does like a new hymn, one dare not say so in some circles. Not one Anglican clergyman explained why liturgical renewal was necessary in the 70s other than to say that people couldn't understand those old words and we had to get with the times. I asked and argued a lot in those days. It wasn't until years later that I found out the real reasons for liturgical renewal, and ceased to be the "BCP or death type" I had been. Same goes for hymns.
I'd suggest that most of the older hymns have attained a status not unlike folk song in many communities. They are not songs in a book, but a musical heritage we own, many of which are known off by heart. Changing them then becomes more than just liturgical innovation, and, frankly, DOES need justification. I think people would be much more open to new hymns if it wasn't presented as "out with the silly old stuff, in with the new relevant material". You don't get very far insulting people's heritage.
A case in point is Jesus Loves Me, every kid's favourite hymn when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s. If the kids for whom it was meant had no trouble understanding it, why was it necessary to change it to "... and the Bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, in His love we shall be strong "? I do think changes like that need justification if only to avoid the accusation of pettiness.
And what's wrong with "Hark how all the welkin rings"? Might just be time to rejuvenate it.
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
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My faith, it is an oaken staff,
The traveler’s well loved aid;
My faith, it is a weapon stout,
The soldier’s trusty blade,
Hymns whose primary subject matter is something other than God are always a source of some discomfort to me. "Lord Thy Word abideth" is another of these, as the words make clear that what is being referred to is Scripture, not Christ.
I don't want to sing hymns in praise of my own faith, or the Bible. I want to sing hymns to and/or about God.
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John Holding
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Originally posted by shareman:
I suspect from your tone you had some input into the compilation of one or both books.
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A case in point is Jesus Loves Me, every kid's favourite hymn when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s. If the kids for whom it was meant had no trouble understanding it, why was it necessary to change it to "... and the Bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, in His love we shall be strong "? I do think changes like that need justification if only to avoid the accusation of pettiness.
Nope -- I'm just a user. Commons WOrship would have been rather different if I'd been there. And, though I'm nearing 60, I's have to be closer to 80 to have been involved with the Red Book.
As we are not required to use any of the books, in our place we draw from a wide variety. It's in that context that I went carefully through Common Worship when it came out. Definitely mixed, though as you say, an improvement for those for whom the red book was their only experience. I do note that a number of hymns that were omitted from the previous book but were added in the red book also appear in the new one. WE've picked up a couple of excellent new Easter Hymns from the new book -- we sang "Truly he comes to us" to O Quanta Qualia today. But overall it's very conservative and middle of the road.
As for "Jesus loves me" -- "Jesus loves me...and the bible tell me so" is true. But saying "I know God loves me because the bible tells me he does", which is what the other words mean, implies that a child (and many adults' faith remains shaped by the words of hymns they sang as children) will know about God only from the book -- not from their families, friends and daily living. ENough to make a fuss over? Don't know, but I wasn't there.
John
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Can anyone explain what is behind
God's promises are like rainbows in the dark?
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Originally posted by Sinisterial:
Can anyone explain what is behind
God's promises are like rainbows in the dark?
Guitar straps at a Evo' worship event?
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Sounds suspiciously like rubbish to me...
But it's probably meant to mean that the dark existential hopelessness of human existence is broken by the rainbow - symbolic of God's promises and his revelation of himself therein.
There does seem to be a slight physical problem with the analogy though...
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Oh, and as for "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so."
It's not that it's discounting other ways of knowing about God, simply working from the realisation that other ways are not as reliable and authoritative as the Bible.
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Like many new comers I have fouind this thread and laughed over many evenings reading through the many pages!
My favourite hymn as a child is one many people seem to hate- not sure why??!!
How many remeber/know -
Hold the Fort for I am coming!!
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Originally posted by Custard.:
Oh, and as for "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so."
It's not that it's discounting other ways of knowing about God, simply working from the realisation that other ways are not as reliable and authoritative as the Bible.
As interpreted by MY pastor, not YOURS. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Well, the other change in "Jesus Loves Me" as cited above (and I didn't even know the lyrics had been changed) is changing "they are weak but He is strong" to "in His love we shall be strong." Because we don't want children thinking they're weak, because it's bad for their self-esteems, I guess.
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Originally posted by Jante:
How many remeber/know -
Hold the Fort for I am coming!!
Jante
The second verse is particularly appropriate as a processional,
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See the mighty host advancing,
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Originally posted by Custard.:
Oh, and as for "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so."
It's not that it's discounting other ways of knowing about God, simply working from the realisation that other ways are not as reliable and authoritative as the Bible.
Karl Barth, who led the counter-attack against the feeble minds and shonky theology of the Bultmanniacs, was asked if he could sum up his theology in a single sentence. He thought for a while, and responded, "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so".
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Trudy Scrumptious
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"Hold the Fort for I am Coming" must have another life as a secular song celebrating organized labour, does it? Because I can clearly hear the opening line in my head, but it's promptly followed by "Union men, be strong!" I wondered if it did double duty, like "I Shall Not Be Moved," or am I going mad and conflating two quite different songs?
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Having only recently boarded The Ship (and subsequently spending most of yesterday reading this thread) I would like to add my own contribution.
Bearing in mind that I go to a relatively happy-clappy church I have a plethora of horrors to choose from... including one with the line 'But listen, my lover is coming'. Can't remember how it starts - just remember never being able to sing it with a straight face.
Anyway, one such classic (and I won't bore you with the first verse and chorus) says...
"There's a sound of praise
There's a sound of war, yeah
Lift the banner high
Let the Lion roar
Can you hear the sound in the
tops of the trees, yeah?
Heaven's armies come! Crush the enemy!"
What? Give me a break? What sounds in the tops of the trees? Squirrells? It isn't even singable - is scans poorly and the music is rubbish!!!
Other than that one I have a whole selection which have been bastardised by our youth group, including 'Open the Eyes of my Heart Lord' which became 'Open the legs of the tart, Lord'. Enough said about that the better really. Especially when it was particularly fitting for one of the girls who used to sing at the front for worship (oops did I say that? Internal monologue taking over again!!)
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Originally posted by Auntie Doris:
Having only recently boarded The Ship (and subsequently spending most of yesterday reading this thread) I would like to add my own contribution.
...oops did I say that? Internal monologue taking over again!!)
Auntie Doris x
Welcome aboard! Looks like you'll fit right in!
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Elizabeth Anne
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It's probably been mentioned before, but I just wanted to complain about "Earth and All Stars" with its "loud rushing planets," "loud boiling test tubes," and "loud pounding hammers."
It was one of the hymns chosen for a recent service and I couldn't stop laughing.
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The Expatriate Theolinguist
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Has anyone heard a really stupid children's 'praise' song whose chorus goes
Hey ho!
It's time to go
boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boooooooooooooooooooooing
boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boooooooooooooooooooooing
or similar. It was used at a family service at my home church, and I found its almost total lack of reference to God, Jesus or Christianity rather amusing.
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The Venomous Bede
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quote:
Hey ho!
It's time to go
boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boooooooooooooooooooooing
boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boooooooooooooooooooooing
Sounds Like Zebedee to me
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TomM
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Originally posted by mr_ricarno:
Has anyone heard a really stupid children's 'praise' song whose chorus goes
Hey ho!
It's time to go
boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boooooooooooooooooooooing
boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boing boooooooooooooooooooooing
or similar. It was used at a family service at my home church, and I found its almost total lack of reference to God, Jesus or Christianity rather amusing.
We use annually at our church - for kids holiday clubs.
It passes as Christian because the first says about praying and the last about reading the Bible. Oh and that its by Dave Godfrey, who writes that sort of stuff.
I don't mind it for the holiday club as the kids like it, but would run a mile at the idea of using it in worship.
Oh and also its "come on" rather "hey ho" i think.
Tom
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The Expatriate Theolinguist
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Originally posted by thomasm:
Oh and also its "come on" rather "hey ho" i think.
Tom
I stand corrected.
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I got exposed to an example of a worship song that just didn't work for congregational singing this week. At a Cursillo ultreya, we sang (in the middle of a bunch of other stuff) Once Again by Matt Redman. Unfortunately:
- The acoustics were poor
- Most of the congregation didn't seem to know it
- The praise band was a little uncertain on it
- There was no strong lead singer with enough volume
- The phrasing of the song is irregular
It, to be charitable, limped. By contrast, more familiar stuff had excellent volumen from band and congregation.
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That can work in congregational singing. But, as you say, it needs the congregation to know it and decent leading.
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I've given up trying to read all 22 pages of this, so my apologies if someone has already mentioned this, but does anyone else remember a song probably from the late 70's called, I think, 'I'll trust the God of miracles'? It contains the priceless line,
'With God things just don't happen'....
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Wandering Crucifer
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I don't remember it (I'm not old enough), but Google is my friend:
I Know Who Holds the Future
(near the top of the page)
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quantpole
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
I got exposed to an example of a worship song that just didn't work for congregational singing this week. At a Cursillo ultreya, we sang (in the middle of a bunch of other stuff) Once Again by Matt Redman. Unfortunately:
- The acoustics were poor
- Most of the congregation didn't seem to know it
- The praise band was a little uncertain on it
- There was no strong lead singer with enough volume
- The phrasing of the song is irregular
It, to be charitable, limped. By contrast, more familiar stuff had excellent volumen from band and congregation.
Funny that, cos over here that was probably one of the most sung songs (in evangelical circles) about 5 years ago. It is also one of Matt Redman's songs that is most suitable for congregational singing (some would take that as an indication of what the rest of them are like!) I've sung it many times in many different groups and settings and most of the time it's been fine. I think one of the problems with music is that people don't accept that the first time you do something it's probably going to be a bit pants. It does sound like the band didn't know what they were doing though.
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Agent Smith
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My least favourite Matt Redman song is the "dirge" Worthy. ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
The verses are bearable but the chorus
"Worthy X lots
Much more worthy than i know!
Cant stand repetetive choruses. It sounds like a droning chorus!
Like Mr Townsend (sp?) stuff, especially the Blessed be your name - sounds like a "proper hymn"
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quantpole
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Originally posted by A. Smith:
My least favourite Matt Redman song is the "dirge" Worthy.
The verses are bearable but the chorus
"Worthy X lots
Much more worthy than i know!
Cant stand repetetive choruses. It sounds like a droning chorus!
Like Mr Townsend (sp?) stuff, especially the Blessed be your name - sounds like a "proper hymn"
I presume you mean Stuart Townend who has indeed written quite a few hymn-like songs in the past few years. I'm a bit confused though; Blessed Be Your Name is a Matt Redman one and couldn't really be described as a 'proper hymn'. Townend's most well known song is In Christ Alone - you might be thinking of something like that.
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