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Wet Kipper
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Originally posted by AngelicR:
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Is the "it's all about you Jesus" one Heart of Worship? Because that has to be the single most unsingable song ever
The very same. I find it too distracting, and not matter how hard I concentrate always end up lapsing into shoe worship... maybe an important lesson in discipline in worship!? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
It could also be the song
Jesus, Lover of my soul, All consuming fire is in your gaze, which also has "It's all about yoooooooo, jeeeeeeesus" in the chorus.
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Ann
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Someone made a reference to that verse from Isaiah (and it appears in several musical settings) where 'his train fills the temple'
Can I just add an aside - that when travelling to Bristol by train, this always springs to mind as the station is called 'Temple Meads'. Anyone else make this connection or is it the weird way my brain works? ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Oh yes. Especially as Temple Meads is on God's Wonderful Railway. A (late ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) ) friend at church and I couldn't be looking anywhere near each other when such a song was being sung.
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Nunzia
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Glad you mentioned that.
There's a sprigtly little number that goes... quote:
I see the Lord! (I see Jesus!) 2x
He is high and lifted up and his train fill the temple. 2x
The angels cry glory 3x
To the Lord!
I usually pass on this one, because I'm thinking, "Hey if we really saw the Lord like Isaiah did, we wouldn't be twittering about it. We'd be face down on the floor."
In the future, when this one comes round, I'll just close my eyes, bounce on my heels, and make choo choo noises in my head
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Try "spontaneously" singing it at the elevation of the Host and making their brains explode.
Sorry, I'm evil.
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Nunzia
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Great idea, but as a Quaker I get few such opportunities.
You do it, and report back.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Hinematov:
Great idea, but as a Quaker I get few such opportunities.
Ah, for the good of my health I long since gave up attending churces where anyone spontaneously sung anything, unless you count the hymns being on the board and not announced.
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Originally posted by Jonathan the Free:
Can anyone remember how it starts please because I think the first verse is irritating in some way that has been removed from my brain to preserve my sanity?
Do you have a particular reason to have your sanity unpreserved at this time, or is it just a general longing for madness?
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Padingtun Bear.
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It's been a while since I've been down here - but something's just upset the gentle lift of my sails as I meander through what is generally a very peaceful voyage on life's seas.
The offending object is called 'At the foot of the Cross'. For those of you who know it's in Songs of Fellowship book 3, and it bears a uncanny resemblance to a certain track by a well know (if now ex-) boy band. Boyzone - Father and Son
Is this just the way we happened to play it? I can't help but break out into: find a girl, settle down...
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I have to point - if "At the Foot of the Cross" is guilty of musical plagarism, it's of Cat Stevens, the original writer and singer of "Father and Son".
So, yeah, philosophical question: Is it better to borrow tunes from 70's hippies who convert to Islam, or 90's Irish boybands?
*ponders*
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Can you describe the song At the Foot of the Cross in more detail please ? I think I can remember it but not sure I am humming the right song.
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Padingtun Bear.
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I believe it's these guys:
Cardiphonia
You can catch a few notes of it at the end of their sampler.
I don't have anything against them per se - just goes to show you can't keep a good tune down - but I do hate it when I can't sing a supposedly reflective song with a straight face. It all depends where the 'borrowed' tune comes from.
Unsurprisingly, I don't corpse as much when I think of Cat Stevens singing it - I'll remember that for the next time ![[Biased]](wink.gif) .
Please, tell me it's not just all in my head...
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Song lyrics here. I quite like this song (even though it's a bit me me me).
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Callan
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I came across this gem from Bell and Maule, the Starsky and Hutch of naff hymnody. On the subject of that Blessed and Immortal company the Saints of God, or Christ's friends as Starsky and Hutch insist on calling them.
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Babes at the knee, a taxman in a tree
Women by men molested
Some who were bright and some who feared daylight
And many the privileged few detested
Some who feared daylight? Holy Dracula, pray for us sinners.
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Carys
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Originally posted by Callan:
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Babes at the knee, a taxman in a tree
Women by men molested
Some who were bright and some who feared daylight
And many the privileged few detested
Some who feared daylight? Holy Dracula, pray for us sinners.
[grins] Presumably they were thinking of Nicodemus?
It's the taxman in the tree which amuses me, even though I know they mean Zaccheus!
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Robin
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I don't have Heaven shall not wait with me to check, but HymnQuest(TM) gives a slightly different version of the lyrics. In this version, the verse you quoted makes no mention of a taxman, but starts:
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Babes at the knee, a cripple all could see
Zacchaeus does appear in this version, but in an earlier verse:
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Martha who fussed, Zacchaeus the unjust
Personally, I prefer the taxman in a tree.
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I guess this fits here -- I'm not quite up to a Hell rant. Our parish uses the 1970's Anglican/United Church of Canada "Union Hymn Book". We have several printings of it, most are words-only copies.
Sunday we had "O Come, O Come, Emmanuel" (390 in the book.) It turns out that different printings have some of the lines in different order!!! And instead of sounding like impromtu part-singing, people stumbled on it, and it sounded pretty bad.
I think there's at least one other hymn with the same problem.
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A couple of weeks back, we sang "Sons of God" from that same book. This is quite a nice boppy little piece ... except in the middle, it reminds me of what the Whos sing in Whoville in How the Grinch Stole Christmas. The dappu-doris thing.
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Henry - advance warning for 'O Little Town Of Bethlehem'. That suffers from different word order in different books too. Check now!
In fact, check all your carols. Many are translations and have several different versions (notably 'Silent Night').
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Christmas Carols are a particular problem, it's true. Our Christmas choir has to sing with the Bethlehem Carol Sheet in one hand and whatever we're using for the music in the other, to make sure we use the same words as hte congregation.
I'd be annoyed to find different printings of the same book having different versions of the same song though.
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Padingtun Bear.
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That's shocking editing, to have different words of the same hymn in different editions of the same book!
We are used to singing what we read on the Powerpoint, not what's in the book! If you use a non-standard hymnbook (cue: Baptist Praise and Worship) where some esteemed person changed all the words to all your favourite hymns many years ago, we are used to double-checking everything twice.
You have my utmost symapthy over the carols, though. If it's the only time of year you have to deal with the music in one hand, words in the other thing, it's a nightmare. As for me - just once a year at the carol service, we sing it how it's meant to be sung, in Carols for Choirs, with original words...
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The Expatriate Theolinguist
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Originally posted by Padingtun Bear.:
I believe it's these guys:
Cardiphonia
You can catch a few notes of it at the end of their sampler.
Cardiphonia is the name of their album. The band's called onehundredhours and they're actually pretty good. One of the few 'worship bands' whom I would happily use in my personal devotion (such as it is). But I agree that 'Foot of the Cross' is a hackneyed tune...
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Oh God spare me from Christmas Carols.
Especially 'the witch his mother mary' (slight misspelling).
Amen.
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The offending object is called 'At the foot of the Cross'. For those of you who know it's in Songs of Fellowship book 3, and it bears a uncanny resemblance to a certain track by a well know (if now ex-) boy band. Boyzone - Father and Son
I had not noticed the similarity between At the Foot of the Cross and Father And Son before. Now I will never be able to sing it again with a straight face. Thanks a pantload.
Another (slightly obscure) music crossover is between "It's the Presence of Your Spirit Lord We Need" (SHF book 1 I think) and the Reeves & Mortimer / Mulligan & O'Hare ballad The Day the Donkey Derby Came to Town.
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for our church Christmas carol service, our music group is being made to sing a song that bears uncanny resemblance to the "so long, farewell" thing from Sound of Music. However, nothing I've seen can yet rival the "Christian Conga". With actions.
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Chorister
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Babybear's account of her advent carol sung to 'Bob the Builder' here has brought back nightmares of when our vicar, in the 1970s, introduced us to two new songs - one to the tune of the Wombles and one to the tune of the Coke advert (Jesus Christ - what the world needs today, he's the real thing). ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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The Expatriate Theolinguist
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Haha, I remember Christian Congas.
I used to go to a church which would occasionally form congas during the worship, conga'ing around the church, then out into the car park (it was on a high street next to the local supermarket, so we always got a few bemused looks). *sigh* Great days.
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Thanks a bunch, O Chorister - I had managed to bury the Wombles and Coke 'songs' in the furthest depths of my memory, until you dragged them out again! I shall now go and think of a suitable penance for you.....
Ian J.
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I heard "Go West" sung on radio this weekend and was amused at its likeness to what used to be a rare thing a Hillsong song that I liked- Let the poor say I am rich!!! Now I can't sing it without hearing Go West!!
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Give thanks with a faithful heart. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
and i heard wombling merry christmas in the supermarket today...
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Alex Cockell
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Had to post - listening to Premier as I type, and there is an absolutely DREADFUL version of "Angels from the realms of glory" running. Sort of a 12in remix version, with a slapped bassline... going to fade-out. ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
'Nuther example I haven't seen posted on - one that runs
"Above all powers, above all kings/Above all nature and all created things..."
The thing builds up like an 80s power ballad, finishing with a chorus that runs
*BOOMF*
"Crucified, laid behind the stone/You lived and died, rejected and alone (yeah - good rhyme ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) )...
Like a rose, trampled on the ground/You took the fall, and thought of ME!!!!/above all"
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Amen, brother. That is a song suited only for the most irony-free musical, not a worship service...
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Alex Cockell
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Re "Above all powers" - song title is actually "Above all"!
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Just replayed it to my brother (who happens to sing in local church choir and operatic societies).. and yes. I only realised HOW cheesy it is - especially when Spring Harvest get. Kind of the "Keep On Loving You" of worship numbers.
And is REO Speedwagon really what we want to use as a template?
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Barnabas62
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Taking up a spin-off from a Purg thread, what I was interested in was this. What did the characterisation "Jesus is my boyfriend" mean.
So far we have these examples
"Jesus take me as I am,
I can come no other way
Take me deeper into you
Make my flesh life melt away"
or
"Jesus, lover of my soul,
Jesus i could never let you go..
I love you, I need you,
and thought the world may fall i'll never let you go"
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"In your arms of love,
in your arms of love,
holding me close, holding me near
in your arms of love"
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"I have felt your touch
More intimate than lovers
It would break my heart
To ever lose each other"
Those lyrics could be from any crap pop song, especially from c.1975
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Quite interesting really; the first is very reminiscent of "Just as I am, without one plea" and the second "Jesu, lover of my soul, let me to thy bosom fly" - which suggests this is not entirely a modern phenomenon.
I'm inclined to agree that the lyrics of Martin Smith's "What a friend I've found" do not represent his finest hour.
But let me fly a kite, to gauge reaction to another modern song, Marie Barnett's "Breathe".
"This is the air I breathe
Your holy presence, living in me
This is my daily bread
Your very word, spoken to me
And I am desperate for you
And I am lost without you"
Very easy, I guess, to characterise this in the same way. Until you begin to figure its connections to the Lord's Prayer and Psalm 42 and see that the qualities of dependence and desperation it conveys in very simple language are, in fact, found strongly in our tradition. You may not necessarily like the song - but it does not seem to me to saying trivial things at all about our relationship with God.
Or, to take another example, from Graham Kendrick's song "Knowing you Jesus"
"You're my all, you're the best
You're my joy, my righteousness
And I love you Lord"
The whole song is a reworking of Philippians 3, but it would be very easy to characterise this extract as "Jesus is my boyfriend" language, when it is very clear that the whole purpose of the song is a lot more profound than that.
In the context of this thread, I really don't mind whether people think the songs I've chosen are crappy or not. What I'm encouraging is some discrimination. To put all modern personal songs in a box marked "trivial, Jesus is my boyfriend" stuff is pretty wasteful.
I've got some other examples, but this post is long enough.
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Point taken re the Biblical basis bit. The only problem is that I don't get the same urge to vomit when I read the parallel verses in the Bible that I do when the songs are played or sung; I would therefore suggest that it has something to do with the way the lyrics are reworked and also possibly the tune to which they are set.
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Thanks Matt - I appreciate your point.
My wife reckons I am very lucky, being able to enjoy and relate to many different musical expressions of worship. Trad hymns, Taize, great choral masterpieces, contemporary Christian songs, they all somehow harmonise together for me. The aesthetic appreciation still matters and the brain certainly engages with the appropriateness of both words and music, but some sort of awareness of the numinous and the sincerity of engagement seems to take over. I get "lost" in this stuff. I'm not sure I can explain it better than that.
Basically I get as cheesed off with young people who "rubbish" anything older than last year and the more mature who rubbish anything younger than the 19th century. Somehow it does strike me like throwing stones at each other's "windows of recognition". As I've said, I dont much rate the words of "What a friend I've found". But if that song helps someone to accept the reality of the friendship of God in the same way that Scriven's "What a friend we have in Jesus" did for lots of people, that's good enough for me.
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Alex Cockell
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Also, re "Knowing you, Jesus" (GK), having a melody worryingly close to "The Ugly Duckling" can be a concern... as mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Barnabas62
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It never does!
"There once was an ugly duckling
Its feathers all fluffy and brown"
etc
Nothing like it!
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Oh yes it does!
Remember the bit in the middle that goes:
'You're my all, you're the best, you're my joy, my righteousness'...
well its exactly the same tune as:
'And he went with a quack, and a waddle and a quack'.
Once you know this, you will never again be able to sing this without thinking of the Ugly Duckling. You have been warned! ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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I can think of worse fairytales to be meditating on while singing crappy Kendrick choruses...(The stone the builders rejected, etc?)
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I cannot hear 'Sing We the King' from Mission praise without thinking of the dance that followed the six o'clock whistle at the biscuit factory in 'Chigley'
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quote:
Originally posted by Kitten:
I cannot hear 'Sing We the King' from Mission praise without thinking of the dance that followed the six o'clock whistle at the biscuit factory in 'Chigley'
wow, I'd never noticed that one before! I just followed your link to the words of Sing we the King and found myself totally unable to remember the tune of fthe first line (I could hum all the rest quite happily) as all that came to mind was the Chigley tune - and I think I'm right in saying that they are not identical just similar?
Now I bet that the vast majority of people here will be scratching their heads now and wondering what on earth is Chigley!
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quote:
Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Oh yes it does!
Remember the bit in the middle that goes:
'You're my all, you're the best, you're my joy, my righteousness'...
well its exactly the same tune as:
'And he went with a quack, and a waddle and a quack'.
Once you know this, you will never again be able to sing this without thinking of the Ugly Duckling. You have been warned!
... to the pure, all things are pure ....even in East Anglia.
"with a glide, and a whistle, and a snowy white back.
And a head so noble and high
Say, who's an ugly duckling?
Not I"
Like a swan, I shall glide away from this temptation ....and hope to compare notes on this test of faith at Living Water 2006? (Living Water sounds like a good place for a swan and a rebel?)
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Barnabus I was musing on this as I lay in the bath earlier this evening and I think I need to make a confession - I was humming the two tunes and realised that they are not actually identical, but still pretty damn similar.
Living Water eh? Never been before, might try and organise a visit next year if it means another opportunity for some sort of Shipmeet! Can't remember when it is; I'll have to ask my sister who went this year.
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Personally, I figure that since one day we're going to be the bride of Christ, "My Jesus, My Boyfriend" songs might not be entirely inappropriate. Though some are just too horribly cheesy and seem to be representing something other than the kind of love that many waters cannot quench.
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Gracious Rebel
Our mutual Shipmate Not Too Bad, who my wife and I know very well, did organise a Shipmeet last Living Water - and we'll probably set up a Shipmeet this year. It was a good event in 2005, with particularly good contributions from Pete Grieg the 24/7 man. Hope you can get.
My wife agrees with you about the song and says she will now not be able to sing "Knowing You Jesus" without an image of a duckling floating into her mind! I'm praying for her ...
I still think it is one of Graham Kendrick's very best songs, "ducky" or not.
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Auntie Doris
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
My wife agrees with you about the song and says she will now not be able to sing "Knowing You Jesus" without an image of a duckling floating into her mind! I'm praying for her ...
I have always thought that it sounded like The Ugly Duckling... and I have never been able to sing it without giggling!!
Auntie Doris x
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Sioni Sais
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Heard on an old News Quiz on BBC7 yesterday:
The Papal Nuncio was at St George's, Southwark and "Shine, Jesus, Shine" was, er, "sung". I have no idea what he thought of the words and music but he did apparently ask "Why would anybody want to polish Jesus?".
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ken
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Maybe the Duckling can persuade people to drop or replace the naff chorus to what is otherwise a decent hymn.
From the point of view of using his songs in congregational worship, naff refrains are Kendrick's second biggest fault. His worst is the way he almost always writes cadences that are unsingable by most people. He seems to thing that the way to end a hymn is to jump up to the next sharpest key for the final verse and then repeat the last line with the melody an octave above, ending on a major 9th diminished chord. Or at least that's what it sounds like to this incompetant singer.
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Komensky
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Originally posted by ken:
...ending on a major 9th diminished chord....
Assuming you are talking about the full-diminished chord, the 9th scale degree would already be present.
K.
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