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Thread: Crappy Choruses & Horrible Hymns redux
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TonyK
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Franknhonest - your post made me don my hostly mode to re-check the title and intent of this thread.
This thread is for reporting hymns, worship songs and any other ditties that we are required to sing in during worship and which cause us negative feelings.
It is not a place for writing new material, especially when it is then used to have a crack at other people's beliefs/lifestyles. There are other, seperate, boards for creative work (and that is being kind to your effort) and attacks on groups/organisations that you dislike.
Kindly bear this in mind!
Yours aye ... TonyK
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Originally posted by The Thirteenth Duke:
Have we sunk to the depths of beastility yet?
I utterly despise the twee chorus "Let the Son of God enfold you...
Chorus
"Jesus, Jesus, Come and fill your lambs"
The title of this twee piece of musical crap is "The Spirit Song".
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Thank you, Tony K for editing! I did preview post but saw it as code - I just thought this was a quirk of the preview post. So I presume preview post is full preview of everything even vomitting smileys? I take this as a yes in view of kind editing note.
The thread went all quiet after I'd posted. I thought have I gone to far? (Sharp intakes of breath and "Harrummphs" all round). Glad to see at least one person agreed.
I'll get me coat...
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
.Better - the wrath of man was on him laid
Never.
The SIN of man, and the WRATH of God. So that, being cleansed of our SIN, the WRATH of God is no longer on us. This is what atonement is all about.
[Dear, oh Dear. I am becoming centurion]
So God puniishes people for what others have done. When I was a teacher, if I had a detention for a whole class if the culprit would not own up, I would have been unprofessional. If, when they had caning, I caned the wrong child, I would be unproffessional and immoral. Is God immoral?
The point about the 'wrath of man' is thathumans took out all their anger on to Jesus because they could not bear the implications of his truth for their lives.
The theory that he paid for our sins by taking away God's wrath on us is a very modern one - it gained popularity in the USA revivals of the late 18th and early 19th Centuries (it is possible to read Calvin to say something similar, also Anselm - but only by reading the idea back into their work).
So penal substitution is not a mainstread Christian idea - neither throughout the current church geographically, not the church historically.
Maybe you should read Isaiah 53
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originally posted by Mudfrog:
Maybe you should read Isaiah 53
I expect Leo, like me, has read Isaiah 53, and, like me, is unconvinced that it can be said to be the base text for PSA. Though I agree that there is a debate to be had, this is probably not the place to have it. I actually owe m.t-tomb and Barnabas a thread examining the biblical basis (or, as I believe, non-basis) for PSA, so, since I'm on leave next week, I may get the opportunity to start it.
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leo
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
.Better - the wrath of man was on him laid
Never.
The SIN of man, and the WRATH of God. So that, being cleansed of our SIN, the WRATH of God is no longer on us. This is what atonement is all about.
[Dear, oh Dear. I am becoming centurion]
So God puniishes people for what others have done. When I was a teacher, if I had a detention for a whole class if the culprit would not own up, I would have been unprofessional. If, when they had caning, I caned the wrong child, I would be unproffessional and immoral. Is God immoral?
The point about the 'wrath of man' is thathumans took out all their anger on to Jesus because they could not bear the implications of his truth for their lives.
The theory that he paid for our sins by taking away God's wrath on us is a very modern one - it gained popularity in the USA revivals of the late 18th and early 19th Centuries (it is possible to read Calvin to say something similar, also Anselm - but only by reading the idea back into their work).
So penal substitution is not a mainstread Christian idea - neither throughout the current church geographically, not the church historically.
Maybe you should read Isaiah 53
Isa 53's servant refers to the nation of Israel and is not a prophecy about Jesus - I can PM a study guide of it to you if you want.
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
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Maybe you should read Isaiah 53
Isa 53's servant refers to the nation of Israel and is not a prophecy about Jesus - I can PM a study guide of it to you if you want.
Isaiah 53 is a prophecy - you cannot talk in absolutes about what it does/doesn't say. Why not posst a link to your study guide for us all to judge it by.
The most compelling argument is that Jesus did actually die a criminal's death. Given God is in nature infinitely glorious, there would have to be a pretty darn good reason for Jesus to have been completely humiliated in that manner.
I reckon that paying the price for humanity's sins in the cause of reconciliation with God is a pretty high possibility given the strong biblical support for the idea.
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Originally posted by leo:
Isa 53's servant refers to the nation of Israel and is not a prophecy about Jesus
Not mutually exclusive.
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leo
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Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
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Maybe you should read Isaiah 53
Isa 53's servant refers to the nation of Israel and is not a prophecy about Jesus - I can PM a study guide of it to you if you want.
Isaiah 53 is a prophecy - you cannot talk in absolutes about what it does/doesn't say. Why not posst a link to your study guide for us all to judge it by.
The most compelling argument is that Jesus did actually die a criminal's death. Given God is in nature infinitely glorious, there would have to be a pretty darn good reason for Jesus to have been completely humiliated in that manner.
I reckon that paying the price for humanity's sins in the cause of reconciliation with God is a pretty high possibility given the strong biblical support for the idea.
Because it isn't on line and it isn't finished yet.
However, I can PM it to anyone who wants it - particularly the bits that shows that the KJV inaccurately translated the Hebrew in order to make it fit Jesus.
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Louise
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Chaps,
Discussion of the correct interpretation of Isaiah 53 would belong in Kerygmania, please take it there if you want to continue discussing it, but no more on this thread, thanks.
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Sarah G
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Glad to arrange a smooth transition from Isaiah 53 back to the true purpose of the thread, of challenging the musically indefensible.
Last Sunday we had a new song "Beautiful One":
...No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart can fully know
How glorious, how beautiful you are
Chorus:
Beautiful one I love
Beautiful one I adore
Beautiful one my soul must sing
Powerful so powerful your glory fills the skies
Your mighty works displayed for all to see
The beauty of your majesty awakes my heart to sing...
Which sounds as naff as it reads. And, as I pointed out to the person next to me, contradicts.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
Isaiah 53:2
Sadly, no luck yet on getting it banned for heresy.
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Truly, charismatic hymnody has plumbed new depths.
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Gaaah,
At the moment we have 5 students staying with us from a pentecostal non denom bible college. Apart from the overall hideousness of putting up with their slovenly teenage ways their music is a trial.
Last night whilst trying bto watch my favorite TV show they were having "worship in the common room. Noisy worship, complete with guitar, tounges and hillsong.
Heart of worship...Its all about Yooooou Jeeeeesus.
Over and over and over and over.
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Thank God they go tommorrow.
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Jolly Jape
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quote:
Last Sunday we had a new song "Beautiful One":
...No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart can fully know
How glorious, how beautiful you are
Chorus:
Beautiful one I love
Beautiful one I adore
Beautiful one my soul must sing
Powerful so powerful your glory fills the skies
Your mighty works displayed for all to see
The beauty of your majesty awakes my heart to sing...
Which sounds as naff as it reads. And, as I pointed out to the person next to me, contradicts.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
Isaiah 53:2
Actually, I rather like the song. It's unsingable in the key it's written in, though! Taking it down a tone helps, but I wouldn't play it at the end of a set!
Nice segue, though, Sarah. You're not a worship leader, are you? ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Truly, charismatic hymnody has plumbed new depths.
Which - when you stop to consider the depths already plumbed by charismatic hymnody - is quite a remarkable achievement.
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I'm very pleased to say we don'have Worship Songs (whatever they are..) in our church. A new priest chose 'Living Lord' (YUKK) one Sunday and almost caused a riot. Never again - that taught him who is boss..
But never assume bad is only new - how about this stinker from the good old English Hymnal? ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
Horrible Hymn
Read, listen and cringe!!!
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Dogs Dinner
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Has anybody seen the lyrics to a chorus, I think from the redemption hymnal that went something like this
I'm on the pil
I'm on the pil
I'm on the pilgrims way
I have a man
I have a man
I have a mansion in the sky
He's gona come
He's gona come
He's gona come into my heart
I think there are one or two more verses
Please add as you see fit
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leo
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Originally posted by Dogs Dinner:
Has anybody seen the lyrics to a chorus, I think from the redemption hymnal that went something like this
I'm on the pil
I'm on the pil
I'm on the pilgrims way
I have a man
I have a man
I have a mansion in the sky
He's gona come
He's gona come
He's gona come into my heart
I think there are one or two more verses
Please add as you see fit
There used to be one:
'And catch the flee
And catch the flee
And catch the fleeting hours.'
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Wet Kipper
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I am a bore
I am a bore
I am a bore-n again Christian
I'll find a lass
I'll find a lass
I'll find a lassting peace with God
My life's a mess
My Life's a mess
my life's a message to the world
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Divine Outlaw
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
Does anyone understand this verse of All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name ?
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4. Sinners, whose love can ne'er forget
the wormwood and the gall.
Go, spread your trophies at His feet
and crown Him Lord of all!
To quote St. Paul "my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful."
Sinners, who constantly remember that Jesus died for you.
Praise him, and crown him &c.
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Originally posted by Dogs Dinner:
Has anybody seen the lyrics to a chorus, I think from the redemption hymnal that went something like this
I'm on the pil
I'm on the pil
I'm on the pilgrims way
I seem to remember that Dorothy L Sayers puts this joke into the mouth of one of her characters in Murder Must Advertise - there it's 'O take a pil/grim home' and 'O for a man/sion of the skies'.
There's also the Two Ronnies' English Folk Song and Dance sketch, which uses a similar gag.
T.
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There's a similar thing in a Simpsons episode as well.
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
There's also the Two Ronnies' English Folk Song and Dance sketch, which uses a similar gag.
lyrics here (scroll down) - thanks for reminding me!
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Gill H
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"Come lay your bird
Come lay your bird
Come lay your burden at His feet"
(I think our esteemed Captain wrote that one!)
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Teufelchen
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Originally posted by sanityman:
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
There's also the Two Ronnies' English Folk Song and Dance sketch, which uses a similar gag.
lyrics here (scroll down) - thanks for reminding me!
The poster there hasn't such a good memory. This page has a better recollection of the first two verses. I recall the last two as:
Now bold Sir John he met a maid,
As on her back she lay.
"Pray show respect and come not near,
For I've seen many a maiden here
Get lost among the new-mown hay,
So doff your hat I pray."
Get lost, &c.
Sod off, &c.
When bold Sir John returnèd home,
They gave him gin to try.
"Nay fill me not with liquor up,
Nor give me grain nor grape to sup.
Pour cowslips' dew into my cup -
A puritan am I."
Poor cow, &c.
Up you, &c.
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'Salvation belongs to our God'.
Our church used to repeat the chorus forever (and ever). Just "Be to our god, forever and ever". Hours. Hands in the air, folk rocking from side to side. I kept wanting to scream 'it doesn't make sense, people!' At the time my niece was very into Bananas in Pyjamas. Once I'd heard it as "B2, our God" it was all downhill.
Also, "they will dance with joy like we're dancing now". What, awkwardly?
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Originally posted by grushi:
Also, "they will dance with joy like we're dancing now". What, awkwardly?
There's a whole pile of hymns, songs, and psalms that describe actions; usually we're not doing them. "Let the lifting up of my hands be as the evening sacrifice" - but Anglicans who use psalms rarely, if ever, lift their hands. Similarly, there are hymns that describe standing - we use them as communion hymns and sing them kneeling. And the odd hymn that describes kneeling can wind up as the processional.
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Originally posted by Henry Troupe:
There's a whole pile of hymns, songs, and psalms that describe actions; usually we're not doing them.
If only it were always so. With this one the worship leaders usually seemed to feel they hadn't done their job until they'd roused everyone into an uncomfortable wiggle.
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Thankfully the "we stand and lift up our hands" of the Chris Tomlin song Holy is the Lord is not so awkward around here anymore. The youth at the Friday evening services will do it with or without such lyrics.
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Sarah G
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Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
Nice segue, though, Sarah. You're not a worship leader, are you?
I play in the music group, but Im not the leader. Last time the top job came up, I considered it, mainly as a way of preventing drivel worship from being sung. Then I realised this was going to leave so little material left to sing, that long gaps would appear in the service, which would be filled with extra preaching.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Truly, charismatic hymnody has plumbed new depths.
Oh, but it went even deeper today.
Many of us are familiar with the GK classic Im special. Given the number of children that were in the service at the time it was sung, it was reasonable enough to sing it. Today, however, someone added a second verse, changing I to You. So instead of
I'm special because God has loved me,
For He gave the best thing that He had to save me;
His own Son
We get:
You're special because God has loved you,
For He gave the best thing that He had to save you;
His own Son Jesus , crucified to take the blame
For all the bad things you have done.
Thank You Jesus, thank You Lord,
For loving us so much.
You know you don't deserve anything.
May you feel Gods love right now,
To know deep in your heart
That Youre his special friend.
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Originally posted by Sarah G:
Thank You Jesus, thank You Lord,
For loving us so much.
You know you don't deserve anything.
It would, I think, work in Latin. In English, it's terminally confusing.
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'We're special' probably would have worked. I've always managed to avoid that particular gooey song, though, and I'm not changing now.
Changing 'I' to 'we' is usually OK, unless you are singing 'you are the restorer of our souls' in the South of England, where it comes out alarmingly like 'restorer of arse'oles'. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) (Although come to think of it ... )
I led 'We stand and lift up our hands' yesterday, despite the fact that I personally was sitting down and playing a keyboard. Nobody appeared to mind.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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That's a classic? I know GK has more poetry in his soul than that.
Even without the pronoun confusion.
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Sarah G
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
That's a classic? I know GK has more poetry in his soul than that.
Even without the pronoun confusion.
Knew I should have added the quotation marks. Otherwise the typed words don't convey the sense of overwhelming sarcasm intended. Then again, could anyone mistake "I'm special" for a classic?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Amazingly, some people do evidently mistake it for a song worth singing
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Oscar the Grouch
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It is certainly one of the songs which I steadfastly ignore, despite the fact that I know that some of the congregation love it.
I'm afraid even the title gets me sniggering, as I think of dear Ralph Wiggum.
There are times when you wonder if GK is actually an undercover agent for the Other Side.
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Originally posted by Sarah G:
Many of us are familiar with the GK classic Im special. Given the number of children that were in the service at the time it was sung, it was reasonable enough to sing it.
Can I take it there were no children in the service at the time? That seesm to be the most appropriate number for that song.
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Originally posted by ken:
Can I take it there were no children in the service at the time? That seesm to be the most appropriate number for that song.
Mee-ow!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I think the point might have been quite serious, actually. Asking kids to sing "I'm special" these days is a bit like asking us, when we were kids (I was a kid in the 70s) to sing "I'm backward"
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Precisely, Karl! I really don't understand why people don't get that. When I was in school, that's exactly what "special" (noun: spesh) meant.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I play in the music group, but Im not the leader. Last time the top job came up, I considered it, mainly as a way of preventing drivel worship from being sung. Then I realised this was going to leave so little material left to sing, that long gaps would appear in the service, which would be filled with extra preaching.
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Mockingbird
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In all the years this thread has run, no one seems to have complained about quote:
O higher than the Cherubim
more glorious than the Seraphim
Lead their praises, alleluia.
Thou bearer of the eternal Word,
most gracious, magnify the Lord
Calling the Mother of Jesus "higher than the Cherubim" contradicts Psalm 8.6, "You have made [mankind] but little lower than the angels", unless it can be argued on the basis of such passages as 1 Cor. 6.5 and 1 Cor. 15.49 that all the baptised will become "higher than the cherubim". But I don't think this is what the author meant.
Similarly I can't call the Mother of Jesus "most gracious". It is God alone who is "most gracious". Otherwise the word "most" has no meaning.
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Foržon we sealon efestan žas Easterlican žing to asmeagenne and to gehealdanne, žaet we magon cuman to žam Easterlican daege, že aa byš, mid fullum glaedscipe and wynsumnysse and ecere blisse.
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Mama Thomas
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Mockingbird,
Funnily enough we were discussing that very stanza last night during kava time.
That is from an ancient Orthodox text, (hint: some EO please tell us where it came from).
In this hymn we call on the nine choirs of angels to praise hymn, then in the second verse, we address Our Lady.
She is called "higher than the cherubim, more glorious than the seraphim" because no other human being, and no angel of heaven, ever contained Him "through whom all things were made" in her body. Not Michael, or Gabriel or Raphael. This is an honour which does indeed make here "blessed among all women". For this reason "all generations SHALL call her blessed".
The phrase "Thou bear of the eternal word" is nothing other than thee Chalcedonian definition of Mary as the theotokos, or more usually in English, "Mother of God" The definition was written in 451 and accepted by all Christians who trace apostolic descent.
Some may object to this title, but Jesus asks us like he did to Peter "Who do YOU say I am?" If you think "your just a bloke" or can we say with Thomas "My Lord and my God."
"Most gracious, magnify the Lord"
Well, "most gracious" is "full of grace." Luke 1:28 (highly favoured, greatly blessed--translations very--vulgate: gratia plena, full of grace.)
Magnify the Lord=My soul doth MAGNIFY the Lord., Luke 1:46.
So the hymn is very Biblical, incarnational, celebrating the "communion of saints" in heaven and on earth.
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Manipled Mutineer
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Mama,
It is the Magnifical hymn, which is I believe common to the Liturgies of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. I was reading it, in the translation of the Orthdox Liturgy put out by the Fellowship of Saint Alban and Saint Sergius, only this morning. The text runs:
"It is very meet to bless thee who didst bring forth God, ever blessed and most spotless and the Mother of our God. More honourable than the Cherubim, and glorious incomparably more than the Seraphim, thou who inviolate didst bring forth God the Word, and art indeed Mother of God, thee do we magnify."
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Pure Sunshine
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I've read various bits of this thread and much merriment it has caused me ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) I hope you'll all forgive me for not reading it all from end to end!
At various points people have posted parodies of crappy choruses - I was wondering whether there might be a Circus game in this? E.g. someone writes a line, then the next person writes another line, the cheesier the better, and so on ... ??
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HenryT
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Can I complain here of horrible renditions? I heard a version on the radio of Joyful, Joyful in which the "t" sounds were almost entirely absent. I turned it off at "giver of immoral gladness", because I decided that it was verging on blasphemy ... and I was verging on apoplexy!
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ken
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That's the normal way to say that word round here.
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Lamor che move il sole e laltre stelle.
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OrthodoxXian
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In my evangelical days the hymn I loved was 'How firm a foundation'
The first verse read:
How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord
Is laid for your faith in his infinite word
What more can He say, then to you He hath said,
You, who unto Jesus for refuge hath fled
The tune is the same as 'Immortal, Invisible God only wise'
The fourth line is clearly shows a different way of approaching Our Lord
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Keren-Happuch
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Someone was playing a CD yesterday evening with Matt Redman singing a song which included the word "antheming" (as in "when heaven's hosts are antheming"). I don't know what the song is called, or whether it's one of Mr Redman's own, but that's the vilest piece of verbing I've heard for a long time. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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