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Thread: Crappy Choruses & Horrible Hymns redux
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Geneviève
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Ok, SS, for those of us who don't know that gem, you now have to share the words, or be responsible for the terrible (and funny) things I am imagining!
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Sioni Sais
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I'm sorry DaisyM, I thought it had been mentioned in here but it must be in another thread. It is another of those modern songs with no discernable ending in a minor key ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
Quite unaccountably, it is in a short (but growing) compilation of songs some well-meaning soul has put together for our house group singing.
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Geneviève
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Understood and no problem. I didn't intend for you to have to do a major search.
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Oriel
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My (secular) choir has been booked to sing at a wedding this weekend. One of the hymns we are to sing I had never heard before, though the rest of the choir knew it. Here are the words and tune.
Eww.
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lily pad
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Originally posted by Oriel:
My (secular) choir has been booked to sing at a wedding this weekend. One of the hymns we are to sing I had never heard before, though the rest of the choir knew it. Here are the words and tune.
Eww.
Um, are you sure you linked to the right page? I can't imagine "Will your anchor hold?" as a hymn at a wedding. Almost seems as if you are posting on April 1st. Although, around this neck of the woods, you wouldn't have to print the words as most everyone would know it by heart. It is a much beloved hymn and one guaranteed to be sung with lots of energy. Our verses are little bit different than the ones you have posted.
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HenryT
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A favorite in my parish, too. A now dead parishioner (and ex-Warden and etc.) was a former Navy captain, and particularly liked that one. The Canadian book doesn't seem to have that second verse.
But it does seem odd for a wedding.
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ken
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We sing that now and again. Not very often. It used to be very popular. I'd expect that most evangelicals over he age of about 60 would know it!
And anyone who had ever been in the Boy's Brigade.
Based on Hebrews 6.19
I rather like it ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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sharkshooter
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Originally posted by ken:
... I'd expect that most evangelicals over he age of about 60 would know it!
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I rather like it
I'm not even in my 50s, yet. I kind of miss some of those favorites from my youth.
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Gracious rebel
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I like it too, and am not even 50 yet. Wouldn't choose it for a wedding though (But I chose 'Blest be the ties that bind' for my own wedding .... innocent days!! )
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Zappa
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
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One which I don't think I've ever sung, but which combines racism, imperialism, and some damn funny imagery, in From Greenland's Icy Mountains, which should be sung at dirge-like speed to Aurelia for full effect:
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From Greenland’s icy mountains, from India’s coral strand;
Where Afric’s sunny fountains roll down their golden sand:
From many an ancient river, from many a palmy plain,
They call us to deliver their land from error’s chain.
Afric?
Sunny fountains of sand?
Yer what?
It goes on to talk about Ceylon, 'where every prospect pleases, and only man is vile' - this was amended to Java, rather than Ceylon, in later versions - which at least fits the tune better.
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When I was a humble (yeah right ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) ) curate in the late '80s a glorious eccentric "spinster" lady in our faith community shuufled off this mortal blah blah blah. In her will she stipulated this should be sung at her funeral. It was - with gusto - and with suppressed guffaws. The past indeed was a different country ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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Teufelchen
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Originally posted by Oriel:
My (secular) choir has been booked to sing at a wedding this weekend. One of the hymns we are to sing I had never heard before, though the rest of the choir knew it. Here are the words and tune.
Do you never watch Snogs of Praise? 'Will Your Anchor Hold?' is a staple of theirs. And to be honest, I have more doubts about the nautical soundness than the theological soundness of its lyrics. It's good enough, though, and I like the tune.
T.
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Chorister
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I remember learning that one on my gap year, working at a Brethren boarding school. That was one of the more singable, understandable ones we sang....
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Carys
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Originally posted by ken:
And anyone who had ever been in the Boy's Brigade.
Or is related to someone who was (and at a church which had BB parade services). I'm not sure I've ever come across it outside a BB context.
Not one that would immediately spring to mind for a wedding, but I don't think it's inappropriate.
Carys
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Alan Mathew
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I am an organist in a large suburban Church Of Scotland Parish, and the minister's daughter is getting married very soon. We were talkin about hymns the other week! Arrghhh!!! Some of the discussions made my hair go grey!
Daughter: Mum/Dad what's that one I like at Christmas!???
Father: (Quite sarcastically) O Come all ye faithful?
Daughter: No the other one - Child in the Manger!
Mother and Father look like death warmed up at this point! I wonder why?
We still haven't chosen any hymns for definate, but Great is thy Faithfulness and Be still for the Presence are high favourites, but .....
I had to very quickly quash any suggestions for Bind us together and One more step!!!!! Both firm un-favourites of mine! Anyone else feel the same or have any similar funny stories?
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Gill H
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'Bind us together' and 'One more step' may be terminally naff, but at least the lyrics are a bit more suitable (one hopes) than 'Child in the manger'!
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the giant cheeseburger
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Originally posted by Alan Mathew:
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I had to very quickly quash any suggestions for Bind us together and One more step!!!!! Both firm un-favourites of mine! Anyone else feel the same or have any similar funny stories?
Just curiously, if you're just the organist, why does your list of un-favourites matter for their wedding? Shouldn't you just play the damn hymn/s instead of pushing them around with your personal preferences?
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multipara
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You don't get it, do you?
The occupation of parish organist is a ministry in itself, and one of the tasks of ministry is to instruct the ignorant, even ditzy ministers' daughters with a tin ear who wouldn't know a Christmas carol from a wedding anthem.
My erstwhile choirmaster is now organist at a cathedral church in Western Sinny,. Since his installation he has had to take more than one bride to task as to why "I just want you to touch me" or some such guff etc is just not on for the recessional. He scandalised one by telling her that if she wanted it for the reception that was fine by him and that if she couldn't think of something more fitting for the solemnity of the occasion then she had to leave it to an expert,
Good on him.
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Chorister
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Or they could provide their own organist, with a sense of humour, who can provide 'Match of the Day' and music by Wet, Wet, Wet.
(And also 'Why are we waiting?' if the bride is late).
I can put you in touch with such an organist, should you ever need one.
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TonyK
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Ahem!
Discussions about music/hymns chosen for a wedding (or any other service) is perfectly acceptable on this thread.
Discussion about the role of the organist is not. Heaven, Ecclesiantics or possibly Purgatory (depending on the flavour of the posts) might be appropriate Boards if you wish to pursue this topic.
Thank you
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The Revd H P Stinker Pinker
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I suspect this hymn has been vilified before on these pages but...
I've always had a problem with I vow to thee my country and in all honesty cannot sing the first verse - I am unable to give my country "a love that asks no questions" - surely that leads to a very dangerous place.
But it seems bizarre that anyone could have it at a wedding - something I have experienced over the years.
In finding a link for the words I came across this wonderful & terrible wedding site - which even tells you were to put the hymn (I could've told them). Why is the hymn "in praise and celebration of the union"?
The website also informs us that it was sung at Princess Diana's wedding - that explains something perhaps. I wonder who's choice that was?!
Can anyone justify singing this in church, ever?
It's a pity because the tune is nice.
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Dennis the Menace
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Originally posted by The Revd H P Stinker Pinker:
The website also informs us that it was sung at Princess Diana's wedding - that explains something perhaps. I wonder who's choice that was?!
Can anyone justify singing this in church, ever?
It's a pity because the tune is nice.
Stinker
This hymn was also sung at Diana's funeral too. I played the tune yesterday as a prelude to our service. A couple of the old dears made some nice comments about the tune but not the words!!!
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Pegasus
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ve just found this absolute classic at cyber hymnal. Just too late to recommend it for this years Mothering Sunday.
We had a thread in Purg not all that long ago about "I vow to thee". Someone posted alternative lyrics, which I haven't been able to locate using google; does anyone else remember the thread?
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HenryT
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A slightly generalized rant/query: Why do some hymns say "Sion" and others "Zion"? For example, the version of Alleluia, Sing to Jesus in the 1970 Canadian Union Hymnal, and on Cyberhymnal How Glorious Sion's Courts Appear and other search hits such as Are All the Foes of Sion Fools? and Sion’s Daughter, Weep No More. Are the two pronounced differently?
While I'm on that topic, what about "Jehovah"? There is no such word; it's the result of reading the tetragramaton (Yahweh) with the vowel pointing for Adonai. Yet this keeps being used in hymns.
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ken
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
A slightly generalized rant/query: Why do some hymns say "Sion" and others "Zion"?
Its just a spelling difference. Whats the problem with that?
Anyway our alphabet doesn't the letter the Hebrew word starts with so we have to choose something.
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While I'm on that topic, what about "Jehovah"? There is no such word;
Yes there is, its been used in English for at least 700 years. How long does it take to invent a word?
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it's the result of reading the tetragramaton (Yahweh) with the vowel pointing for Adonai.
Well, yes, except that that isn't the tetragramaton its another invented word based on different (and perhaps more realistic) assumptions about the original vowels. And even if we did know the original pronounciation, it is a word that no-one has used liturgically for at least the last 2500 years.
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Yet this keeps being used in hymns.
And why not? What's the problem>
Should we stop saying "almighty God" and always say "El Shaddai" or whatever?
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Mudfrog
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I get annoyed at 'alleluia' when the word is 'hallelujah'.
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Teufelchen
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
I get annoyed at 'alleluia' when the word is 'hallelujah'.
I direct you to ken's excellent post directly above yours.
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HenryT
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Originally posted by ken:
... quote:
..."Jehovah"? ...
Yet this keeps being used in hymns.
And why not? What's the problem?
Sorry, specifically, it is still being used in new hymns and songs, where it comes across (to me) as bad style.
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the giant cheeseburger
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
I get annoyed at 'alleluia' when the word is 'hallelujah'.
Especially when the rest of the hymn is not in greek.
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You say tomayto when I say tomahto....
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J Whitgift
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Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
I get annoyed at 'alleluia' when the word is 'hallelujah'.
Especially when the rest of the hymn is not in greek.
My word what quiet lives you must lead to get worked up about the spelling of alleluia/hallelujah in hymns. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
For the record, I prefer, alleluia, it looks more elegant - sans the H's!
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Originally posted by multipara:
You say tomayto when I say tomahto....
... and I say 'let's call the whole thing off!'
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Mudfrog
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Originally posted by J Whitgift:
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Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
I get annoyed at 'alleluia' when the word is 'hallelujah'.
Especially when the rest of the hymn is not in greek.
My word what quiet lives you must lead to get worked up about the spelling of alleluia/hallelujah in hymns.
For the record, I prefer, alleluia, it looks more elegant - sans the H's!
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Originally posted by multipara:
You say tomayto when I say tomahto....
... and I say 'let's call the whole thing off!'
But the Hebrew word is hallel
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Zwingli
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Originally posted by The Revd H P Stinker Pinker:
I suspect this hymn has been vilified before on these pages but...
I've always had a problem with I vow to thee my country and in all honesty cannot sing the first verse - I am unable to give my country "a love that asks no questions" - surely that leads to a very dangerous place.
But it seems bizarre that anyone could have it at a wedding - something I have experienced over the years.
Well, the first four words at least seem appropriate to the occasion. In a similar vein it once occured to me that perhaps the best wedding hymn would be O Valiant Hearts, given what the couple had in store for them. I can't imagine any bride wanting it at her wedding though. Actually this occured to me while the bride was walking down the isle at one wedding, and it was all I could do not to burst out laughing, which I gather would have been something of a faux pas.
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Don't know if someone has already mentioned this song, but my pet hate at the moment is " I the Lord of Sea and Sky "
Lots to hate about this one (twee, sentimental, ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) etc) but my particular hate is the fact that the verses are sung from God's perspective, and the chorus from "our" perspective. What is going on there? I just can't get on with singing as if I'm God. Too weird.
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I have recently returned to my (evangelical CofE) church of yesteryear due to personal circumstances (well getting a divorce to be specific). Whilst there are many good things about being back there, the chorus (with actions ) we sang yesterday (a lot ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ) is not one of them. Only a taste of its dreadfulness can be provided under international Human Rights legislation(!):
'I have a very big God O! He’s always by my. side; A very big God O, by my side, by my side'.
I am tempted to sing 'I am Waiting for Godot' if we ever do it again!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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You have my deepest sympathy. What they did to the organ could never have good repercussions.
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Alaric the Goth
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Apparently it was riddled with woodworm, so they had an excuse... For the organectomy, not for the chorus.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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'Tis good to hear that it wasn't simple vandalism. But there is no possible excuse for that chorus.
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Unfortunately some of the worship leaders in my church rather like that one...
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HenryT
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Originally posted by sparklylady:
...I just can't get on with singing as if I'm God.
Don't several classic hymns do that too, though?
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For some reason I think of Jesus surfing when I read these lyrics:
"He plants his footsteps in the sea,
and rides upon the storm"
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Originally posted by sparklylady:
Don't know if someone has already mentioned this song, but my pet hate at the moment is " I the Lord of Sea and Sky "
Lots to hate about this one (twee, sentimental, etc) but my particular hate is the fact that the verses are sung from God's perspective, and the chorus from "our" perspective. What is going on there? I just can't get on with singing as if I'm God. Too weird.
I like it, especially the Vandals version (ignore the strange animation).
What's your problem with switching between human and vox dei mid-song; the psalmist does it all the time!
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
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Originally posted by Oriel:
My (secular) choir has been booked to sing at a wedding this weekend. One of the hymns we are to sing I had never heard before, though the rest of the choir knew it. Here are the words and tune.
Do you never watch Snogs of Praise? 'Will Your Anchor Hold?' is a staple of theirs. And to be honest, I have more doubts about the nautical soundness than the theological soundness of its lyrics. It's good enough, though, and I like the tune.
T.
I did in fact play this for a wedding a few weeks back. The bride was a Naval person. the congregation (mostly military by the look of the dress whites and swords etc) sang it with gusto.
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TonyK
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'Will your anchor hold' is a hymn I have always associated with the Salvation Army - I must have heard them singing it at some time.
We sang it at church 2-3 years ago when I organised a service for Sea Sunday - no-one complained, but no-one seemed particularly enthusiastic either.
A pity - I think it is a good rousing hymn!
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HenryT
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We had Come Ye Thankful People today, and as usual I reacted to a couple of points:
- "come to God's own temple, come" - characterizing the Christian church as the temple. God doesn't live only at the church, and I think this pseudo-theology is harmful. It makes people stay away from churches, 'cause big scary hairy Jehovah might get them.
- "give his angels charge at last
in the fire the tares to cast;"
Cheerfully committing people to damnation.
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I was a small step away from posting a Hell thread on the BBC Songs of Praise hymnall, but I'm a newb and don't swear enough, so here'll do.
After two years, I decided yesterday that I have grown to hate that book. It's as if the compilers sat down to deliberately choose the most dreary, turgid hymns in Christendom. Maybe it should be subtitled "Even Wesley Had His Off Days, And We've Got Them All In Here". I can't blame the organist, who takes the tunes at as sprightly a pace as the wretched, dismal music allow - we had a stand-in organist once, who played everything at a funereal pace, and I felt like dragging myself weeping to the altar. I gave up even trying to sing the last one yesterday, and resorted to adding up the hymn numbers, something I only usually do to maintain basic brain-stem function during the dullest sermons.
We had hymns nos 5, 270 and 272. That's all I can remember. Can't remember the fourth, because I was surreptiously practising the reading, something particular convoluted written by Paul on one of his more linguistically acrobatic days.
I used to think I disliked Mission Praise, because of the very high chance of opening the book at random and hitting some repetitious piece of drivel, but at least there's some singable stuff in there. ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
[/rant]...that feels so much better. Ahhh... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Chorister
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A compilation based on this thread would make rather a good hymnbook. Then we could all gather round the church piano for a nostalgic 'Crappy Choruses and Horrible Hymns' evening (a la Moody and Sankey) every now and again.
Perhaps the Diocese of Wenchoster would be interested in hosting such an event?
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Chorister, you forgot one very important thing - the lead vocalist. Graham Kendrick maybe?
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Originally posted by Cantiones Sacrae:
Were you celebrating Harvest Festival in July?
It tends to show up about the beginning of actual harvesting - hay and maize (corn). I didn't choose it, though.
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John Holding
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
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Originally posted by Cantiones Sacrae:
Were you celebrating Harvest Festival in July?
It tends to show up about the beginning of actual harvesting - hay and maize (corn). I didn't choose it, though.
And the interesting thing is that so far as I can see, the hymn is not about harvest thanksgiving at all. Look at the words (especially some of those Henry has highlighted). It's appropriate for the day the parable of the wheat and the tares is read -- that after all is the story behind the hymn. And for one of those days in/before ADvent when the Last Judgement is the theme.
The connection with the annual autumn harvest is, I think, a false one if you look at the hymn as a whole.
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