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Thread: Where do I stand? (Abortions and middle ground)
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Crœsos
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Not true. Summary table of contraceptive efficacy -- from the people who literally wrote the book on the subject.
Coming back to the original topic, it's worth noting that comprehensive sex education is one of the most effective ways to move someone from the "typical use" column to the "perfect use" column. It's also worth noting that this well-established method of preventing unwanted pregnancies is overwhelmingly opposed by pro-life* organizations. This seems contradictory if their aim is reducing the number of abortions performed, but is perfectly understandable if their goals are more along the lines of "making life harder for women".
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mousethief
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You're far too kind, Crœsos. They're not out to make life hard for women. They're out to control them.
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Curiosity killed ...
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I suspect the difference in figures between the ones I was quoting and the ones RuthW linked to are national differences - UK vs USA. I was quoting, admittedly off the top of my head, the Family Planning Association figures, from the booklets that are provided for people to read and make choices. There's no handy table there, but failure rates are given if you read about the contraceptives discussed.
For example, the failure rate of implanted hormonal contraception is less than 1 in 1000 women (compared to 80 to 90 women getting pregnant without the use of contraception) and the failure rate is not affected by the user.
The combined contraceptive pill used correctly has a failure rate of around 1 in 100 women a year.
The cap or diaphragm with spermicide is 96% effective used correctly. It really isn't on the list of contraceptives recommended to young sexually active young women. Natural family planning (the rhythm method) is more effective with 1 in 100 women likely to fall pregnant when used correctly.
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Porridge
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What puzzles me is how this became a public issue in the first place -- that is, a matter of public policy rather than an issue to be handled on a private, individual basis. How and when did a matter that was only discussed in whispers behind closed doors move into the public sphere? And why?
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Porridge:
What puzzles me is how this became a public issue in the first place -- that is, a matter of public policy rather than an issue to be handled on a private, individual basis. How and when did a matter that was only discussed in whispers behind closed doors move into the public sphere? And why?
Frank Schaeffer says it was his dad's fault, along with C. Everett Koop and a couple of their partners-in-crime. I have the book (Crazy for God) but haven't read it yet.
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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No it doesn't!
It sure does in the Republican Party, which is working as hard as it can to make the lives of the children of poor single mothers nasty, brutish, and short.
I'd be interested in some facts/ stats there - not because I disbelieve you but because they may come in useful in a debate I'm having with some more conservative Christians on Another Board ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Matt Black
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Thanks
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mousethief
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Alogon
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One could look at comparative life-expectancy statistics among various countries, in which those of the United States (with-the-best- medical-care-in-the-world, of course, as it's obligatory to say) are mediocre. They're worse than Cuba's. And then listen to the comments of right-wingers about this situation.
You'll probably hear something to the effect that those countries who surpass the U.S. are more liberal about abortions and have more of them.
In other words, one is to think that these other nations kill the less-likely to survive cases in the womb, whereas the right thing to do is let them die after birth.
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Justinian
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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No it doesn't!
It sure does in the Republican Party, which is working as hard as it can to make the lives of the children of poor single mothers nasty, brutish, and short.
I'd be interested in some facts/ stats there - not because I disbelieve you but because they may come in useful in a debate I'm having with some more conservative Christians on Another Board
More generally on healthcare and how it works. (Self link - it's more about the British system than the American one but shows why the American one is how not to do it).
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Matt Black
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Cheers!
Changing tack slightly, did any other Brits hear Suzanne Moore on the Today programme this morning on the subject? I think she came across as bloody rude and intolerant and did her cause no favours.
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Inger
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Cheers!
Changing tack slightly, did any other Brits hear Suzanne Moore on the Today programme this morning on the subject? I think she came across as bloody rude and intolerant and did her cause no favours.
I agree - she was awful. A great shame.
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