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Canada's teeny Gaelophone population is mainly on Cape Breton Island (once its own colony until 1820 and they're still a bit miffed about the union with Nova Scotia)-- perhaps there might be a dozen in Newfoundland.

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Yep, though apparently there were about 50 in Eastern Ontario at the last census. Newfoundland Irish (similar to Munster dialect, if Wikipedia be believed) seems to have hobbled on till the early 20th century.

While ACNA itself is something of a rainbow coalition, almost all of the Canadian parishes are affiliated with the "Network", i.e. the Argentine mission to heterosexuals. (There is a single Reformed Episcopal church left in Hamilton and a few churches, mostly out west, are affiliated with the Canadian version of AMiA). Its first bishop was an Anglo-Catholic from Newfoundland. There are two ACNA parishes in Newfoundland: both are in town and both are affiliated with the Network. Bishop Harvey, their retired moderator is an honorary assistant at one.

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Canada's teeny Gaelophone population is mainly on Cape Breton Island (once its own colony until 1820 and they're still a bit miffed about the union with Nova Scotia)-- perhaps there might be a dozen in Newfoundland.

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Yep, though apparently there were about 50 in Eastern Ontario at the last census. Newfoundland Irish (similar to Munster dialect, if Wikipedia be believed) seems to have hobbled on till the early 20th century.

While ACNA itself is something of a rainbow coalition, almost all of the Canadian parishes are affiliated with the "Network", i.e. the Argentine mission to heterosexuals. (There is a single Reformed Episcopal church left in Hamilton and a few churches, mostly out west, are affiliated with the Canadian version of AMiA). Its first bishop was an Anglo-Catholic from Newfoundland. There are two ACNA parishes in Newfoundland: both are in town and both are affiliated with the Network. Bishop Harvey, their retired moderator is an honorary assistant at one.

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I shall henceforth think of ACNA as a rainbow coalition, thanks to LQ. Gaelically tangential, Mass was last said in Scots Gaelic at a requiem in Glengarry in 1993 (great-uncle of a former classmate) but I believe that there is still a retired minister of the PCC who can preach in the language. The Glengarry gaeltacht was extremely influential for many years and has taken two centuries to fade to an honourable end.

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The first missionary priests to Newfoundland, who came over with the Irish immigrants themselves - would offer a homily and gospel in Irish for their congregations, and the priests sent over right up until the late nineteenth century were told that Irish was a great asset. Unfortunately, the last native speaker died....five or six years ago? Though the university has got a great archive (if you will, I'm not sure if that's the correct word) of the language. If you're ever interested, you can contact them and I'm sure they'd send along some examples or information. They'd know three hundred percent more than I would

So I guess the two congregations here are of the anglo-Catholic colour in that rainbow! Today I saw an ad orientum service, with beautifully made vestments. The music seemed to follow a pattern - traditional, contemporary, traditional, contemporary. I prefer traditional, but the contemporary really wasn't that bad (better than I'm used to). No hymnbooks, but the organist was using the Book of Common Praise and I think the New English Hymnal or New English Praise, I couldn't make it out. Today was his last Eucharist, so I'll be the one to (hopefully) take over musically.

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Well - Cultural Marxism HAS failed - as can be seen in Rotherham...

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But anyway, politics aside, he is a member of the "Anglican Church in North America" but this is a "missionary parish" so if that clears anything up, I hope it does indeed. They use the BCP only a 2011 revision, that seems to be entirely American.

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Well, sure, in the States, but obviously most of the ones up here aren't former ECUSA parishes.

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I only raised this as REC at least in the US left ECUSA much earlier over OOW (which I won't get into here) while the more recent surge was over a different DH issue. As far as I'm aware OOW is allowed in ACNA, at least at priest level.

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I only raised this as REC at least in the US left ECUSA much earlier over OOW (which I won't get into here) while the more recent surge was over a different DH issue. As far as I'm aware OOW is allowed in ACNA, at least at priest level.

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Are you perhaps thinking of another strand? REC left TEC (or whatever it was called back then) in the 1870's, long before OOW.

I find it somewhat confusing too, but remember that one...

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For my own reasons, I don't spend much time checking out ANiC churches, but I was under the impression that most of them used the 1959/1962 ACoC BCP

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Anyone else know of the Anglican Church in America? That's the one I know more than ACNA. A (sadly former) friend of mine left TEC for ACA and became a priest, and then he and his parish joined the Roman Catholic Church, but apparently not all of ACA did this.

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Today I attended another of their Sunday Morning services. This time it was a Morning Prayer/Eucharist combination. They chanted the psalm, and after squawking their way through that, proceeded to sit down and stand to recite the Te Deum, in English, in their modernised form.

I met the associate-vicar, a very nice and polite and down-to-earth man. He seemed to be standard-fare high end of the broad Church. They had the bishop in for to say Morning prayer and the Eucharist.

Afterwards the congregation gave me a few hugs, right touchy feely, made me feel welcome.

After talking to the "pastor" for a while, it appears he's almost like a hybrid of the three church polities. He uses Catholic vestments, but his theology is both low and high on certain matters, and he refers to Catholics as "Romanists" or "papists" so I don't know what to make of that. He's a nice fella though.

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This is a link to the website for their new 2011 Book of Common Prayer: here.

There's a section there alongside their prayer for the president, to include a prayer for the Queen at Canadian parishes. However, it uses American spelling.

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The day he retired, so he could claim the pension, he announced the opening of an ACNA parish in the city, using the Family Room at the local Wesleyan megachurch.

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Augustine the Aleut--

"Anglican tracks at evangelical seminaries"???

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Er...is this a Canadian thing??? I'm guessing it's for low-church folks?

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I think that the Church of England is re-aligning itself more and more to an 'open' and even 'conservative' evangelical position.

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The day he retired, so he could claim the pension, he announced the opening of an ACNA parish in the city, using the Family Room at the local Wesleyan megachurch.

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I am not certain how this has anything to do with his pension, which (I am assuming that he became vested in it some years before) would have come into play the week before, or the week following. After all, it is his property and presumably he had contributed to it over the years.

After all, a Bank of Nova Scotia retiree keeps their pension even if he determines to bank from a credit union (or, indeed, be employed by them) when they retire. And I would keep my federal public service pension should I take up Bolivian citizenship on retirement.

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There are several denomination-unspecific evangelical seminaries (e.g. Trinity Western in Vancouver) where they provide denomination-specific training for ordination tracks, Lutheran, Baptist, or even Anglican. Anglican ordinands there would tend not to hew to ACoC culture and would be more evangelical or XXXIX-conservative (not exactly the same thing). There is also an Anglican track at the local (Ottawa) RC university, Saint Paul, which enables Ottawa ordinands to be trained without having to go to Toronto. A parallel example is how the Montreal Diocesan Theological College, while still technically in existence, has become the Anglican track at the Montreal School of Theology, part of the Faculty of Religious Studies at McGill.

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I know nothing about this group and not much about Anglicans. But what a friend whe have in Google. This web site on The submerging church may be related. The site talks about evil gay tolerant pastors and disses Rick Warren for talking about God as The compassionate and merciful one which apparently is an Islamic formulation that doesn't apply to their version of the Christian God.

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This site makes me want to write a book, so that I can get on their list of recommended authors not to read, alongside the likes of St. Ignatius Loyola, Julian of Norwich, Thomas Aquinas, Teresa of Avila...

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I know nothing about this group and not much about Anglicans. But what a friend whe have in Google. This web site on The submerging church may be related. The site talks about evil gay tolerant pastors and disses Rick Warren for talking about God as The compassionate and merciful one which apparently is an Islamic formulation that doesn't apply to their version of the Christian God.

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This site makes me want to write a book, so that I can get on their list of recommended authors not to read, alongside the likes of St. Ignatius Loyola, Julian of Norwich, Thomas Aquinas, Teresa of Avila...

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On the plus side, they also have Todd Bentley and Mark Driscoll on their burning list....which proves the maxim that a broken clock is right at least twice a day...

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