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Leprechaun

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Originally posted by Callan:
Originally posted by Leprechaun:

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I find the strength of that to be overstated - but where it's useful is where (as per Yorick above) people start setting up science (fact) vs faith (not). Trusting that our senses give us access to the world outside us is an act of faith. Theists say they have a good reason to make that act of faith and (e.g.) materialists don't.
Not convinced by that. I am currently suffering from sciatica and find that exercise, ibuprofen and paracetamol do something to alleviate the matter. Now for a non-prenup that is quite sufficient. AFAICS a presup would say, 'aha! unless you believe i the God of Scripture, how can you be sure it works?' AFAICS the presup position is that they can be sure that my mixture of exercise, ibuprofen and paracetamol work because it is guaranteed by a guarantee handed down by Almighty God from heaven and because my leg hurts less. As a non-presupper I would say that I trust it because my leg hurts less.

AFAICS, it's a case of the quickness of the 'and deceives the 'heye. Yer presupper insists that belief can only be justified if it is founded on belief on Almighty God. For most of us belief is provisional. If it works this time it's fine.

Of course. But I guess most of the discussions are about questions like "what is it to live correctly?" or "what are properly held beliefs?" "What works this time" is rather harder to pin down in those cases.

If the ultimate aim is to feel the least pain possible no need to even have the discussion with the presupper. They tend to induce, not cure, headaches. [Smile]

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Actually, the presuppositional apologist would say that your actions in taking the pill for pain because it worked for pain in the past presupposes the existence of God. For the presuppositional apologist, any reliance on induction presupposes the existence of God.

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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Actually, the presuppositional apologist would say that your actions in taking the pill for pain because it worked for pain in the past presupposes the existence of God. For the presuppositional apologist, any reliance on induction presupposes the existence of God.

Sounds like they've defined themselves up their own arse, frankly.

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