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orfeo

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*Although not, I should add, engaged in hostly activities.

Damn right you should add that. Because you know as well as I do that if you're not "engaged in hostly activities" you're just another Shipmate.
Yeah, but you were still basically instructing me on how to behave in Hell, which would often cause a Host to walk in and say "stop junior Hosting".

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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
*Although not, I should add, engaged in hostly activities.

Damn right you should add that. Because you know as well as I do that if you're not "engaged in hostly activities" you're just another Shipmate.
Yeah, but you were still basically instructing me on how to behave in Hell, which would often cause a Host to walk in and say "stop junior Hosting".
And yet they didn't.

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No, for the obvious reason that one of "they" was already handling it. Me.

I don't really want to spend the rest of my morning getting all meta with you. Forget it.

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In the days before the clocks were changed, people went to work an hour earlier in the summer than the winter, which had exactly the same effect.

For example, JS Bach's teaching day started at 6 in the summer and 7 in the winter - both the middle of the night as far as I am concerned.

I am so unaffected by changing the clocks that I find it almost unbelievable that people moan about it so much. In fact, I've never actually met anyone who says it messes them up. Odd, really.

I've got DSPS so I always feel like death warmed up when I wake up. I have to operate on the basis of waking up at the last possible time I can get to work, and going to bed when I think I might be able to sleep - which might vary between midnight and 4 am within the same week.

I am at my most active between about 6pm and 2am so light evenings are great for me. Any daylight before 9am is completely wasted on me!

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POI--

Sorry that you've got delayed sleep-phase syndrome. Sounds like a royal pain.

IANAD, but I'm guessing the DSPS is why the change doesn't bother you. You have one kind of circadian rhythm sensitivity, and people bothered by the clock change have another.

Many Shipmates (myself included) have Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD)--some of us very severely. Probably, there's some correlation between SAD and the clock change.

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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
We should pick whatever time is calculated to annoy the French most and stick to it. I suggest GMT + 40 minutes.

You sound a bit Nepali. They run their country on Indian time +15 minutes.

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Meh. As an inhabitant of la République, I’m quite annoyed already. Darkness until 9 o’clock in the morning is rubbish. Give me dark evenings any time.

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isn't france already on double savings time anyway, LVER? They should really be on GMT since they're the same (ish) longitude as UK/Ireland

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
DST has been linked to a rise in heart attacks and accidents.
So, yeah...

It's actually the change to DST that brings about that increase.

I would prefer DST all year long - I can deal with going to work in the dark, but would prefer to have sunlight when I get home.

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Marvin the Martian

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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
I would prefer DST all year long - I can deal with going to work in the dark, but would prefer to have sunlight when I get home.

Me too.

And really, that's all this thread boils down to - do you prefer to be up and about in the morning or the evening? Those who prefer the morning will hate DST, those who prefer the evening will love it.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

And really, that's all this thread boils down to - do you prefer to be up and about in the morning or the evening? Those who prefer the morning will hate DST, those who prefer the evening will love it.

I want anti-DST, so it gets dark in the evening all year round, so that the kids will go to bed. Blackout blinds will keep them asleep on light mornings, but don't help with trying to send them to bed when it's still light out.
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Originally posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus:
I am so unaffected by changing the clocks that I find it almost unbelievable that people moan about it so much. In fact, I've never actually met anyone who says it messes them up. Odd, really.

Fancy that. You are cordially invited to come and catch a 6.20 am train each day during the week before the clocks change, then turn up on the Monday morning at the new 6.20 am and see how many people have actually made it to the station and whether they look shattered from having to get up somewhere around what last week, was 4.30 am or thereabouts. I will be one of them.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
I would prefer DST all year long - I can deal with going to work in the dark, but would prefer to have sunlight when I get home.

Me too.

And really, that's all this thread boils down to - do you prefer to be up and about in the morning or the evening? Those who prefer the morning will hate DST, those who prefer the evening will love it.

Sure, I love having an extra hour to hike and ride the damn bike after work, especially now that this infernal slushfest of a winter is ending (maybe), but that's me. I'm allergic to mornings, so it's no surprise that I'm sad to see the sun go down an hour earlier.

But, let's face it, a lot of us are even more allergic to change. It's why we still can't use the metric system. It's why people are still nostalgic (often on the same threads in which the Imperial system gets defended) for shillings. "Why do we have to do something different?" isn't just reserved for meetings of the worship committee.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
I would prefer DST all year long - I can deal with going to work in the dark, but would prefer to have sunlight when I get home.

Me too.

And really, that's all this thread boils down to - do you prefer to be up and about in the morning or the evening? Those who prefer the morning will hate DST, those who prefer the evening will love it.

Horseshit. Way to miss the point, Mister Bright Light.

I want to not have to change the clocks for no apparent reason twice a year. If anyone, ever, could give me a real, solid reason why this is important to society as a whole, I'm open to hearing it. But I hear either individual preference based on the sunlight patterns of other places, or really lame pontificating about our economic viability. Not a single good reason why this makes any fucking sense at all. And yet it is the governmental order of the day.

If I want to stay up later or get up earlier, that's my fucking business. If you want to, fine. I really don't give a half shit what others choose to do. So why do we have to go through this stupid dance twice a year so some people feel better about wanting to stay up late or get up early? Government is already way too much into our personal business. There is nothing wrong with having a time and sticking to it.

In my world, it's particularly stupid, as the daylight change over the seasons is particularly dramatic and one hour of change is really pointless. If you all down there in the boring photoperiod part of the world want to put yourself through this dumbass dance twice a year to give yourself an excuse to stay up late, go for it. It's a game of self-delusion, but whatever flips your willy. I don't care.

But in about 6 weeks, I will no longer have any night time to speak of. An arbitrary clock change does nothing but send us all through this little dance and make me stay late at work for a week.

It ain't about my personal preferences. No matter what the clock says, if I'm want to stay up late, I will. If I want to get up early, I will. I promise not to make any of you have to change your futhermucking clocks to suit my schedule.

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I want to not have to change the clocks for no apparent reason twice a year.

Me too. That's why I agreed with sharkey that having DST all year round would be a fabulous thing.

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Call me old-fashioned, but noon should mean the sun is at least somewhere near its highest point in the sky...

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Originally posted by comet:
But in about 6 weeks, I will no longer have any night time to speak of. An arbitrary clock change does nothing but send us all through this little dance and make me stay late at work for a week.

It ain't about my personal preferences. No matter what the clock says, if I'm want to stay up late, I will. If I want to get up early, I will. I promise not to make any of you have to change your futhermucking clocks to suit my schedule.

Exactly. The town I live in is 60 degrees north yet still in the south of the country. Absolutely fucking futile the whole thing.
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Originally posted by comet:

In my world, it's particularly stupid, as the daylight change over the seasons is particularly dramatic and one hour of change is really pointless.

So why does your state do DST? You can't blame that one on the rest of us - you, as a state, are free to not do it.
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Originally posted by comet:
If I want to stay up later or get up earlier, that's my fucking business. If you want to, fine. I really don't give a half shit what others choose to do.

Of course, not everyone has the choice about when they start and finish work. Some jobs require people to start and finish at the same time. And, even if your employer can easily accommodate you working at a time that suits you, you'll still need to fit that around other external factors - maybe you have children and you're working around school hours, there are constraints based on when the trains and buses run, etc. Which, basically means there needs to be some commonly agreed normal work pattern and associated time zone. It will have to be a compromise that works best for the majority of people in that region, and like any compromise will therefore actually be ideal for very few.

None of which justifies arbitrarily changing that time twice a year.

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Originally posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus:
I am so unaffected by changing the clocks that I find it almost unbelievable that people moan about it so much. In fact, I've never actually met anyone who says it messes them up. Odd, really.

Fancy that. You are cordially invited to come and catch a 6.20 am train each day during the week before the clocks change, then turn up on the Monday morning at the new 6.20 am and see how many people have actually made it to the station and whether they look shattered from having to get up somewhere around what last week, was 4.30 am or thereabouts. I will be one of them.
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Originally posted by marzipan:
isn't france already on double savings time anyway, LVER? They should really be on GMT since they're the same (ish) longitude as UK/Ireland

It's been really interesting looking at the sunrise and sunset times for some cities in Europe. According to the iPhone weather app sunrise in Paris is, based on local time, later than a collection of not-so-random cities (more on that elsewhere once I'm organised).

London 6:22 am, Copenhagen 6:35am, Edinburgh 6:40am, Amsterdam 7:01 am, Paris 7:11 am.

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orfeo: According to the iPhone weather app sunrise in Paris is, based on local time, later than a collection of not-so-random cities
Like I said before on this thread, this is because of the nazi's. When they conquered countries like the Netherlands, Belgium and France, they moved them to German time. After the war ended, these countries kind of forgot to move back (or they rather liked to have permanent DST).

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AO- I'm also at 60. Also in the south. We're latitude twins! Too bad you're so batshit otherwise.

And Learning Cnuckt (I'll be damned if I'll ever get your name right, sorry) that's a very good question. See page one. Synopsis: i'm governed by troglodytes.

Alan- didn't mean to imply people could all go work when they like. Wouldn't that be awesome? One of my jobs I start at 5 am, so i wasnt addressing work. But on this thread and elsewhere people were talking about how DST allows them to stay up later in the summer (as if darkness forces them into a coma) and that's what I was talking about.

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Originally posted by comet:
Alan- didn't mean to imply people could all go work when they like. Wouldn't that be awesome? ... But on this thread and elsewhere people were talking about how DST allows them to stay up later in the summer (as if darkness forces them into a coma) and that's what I was talking about.

The two are related.

If you want an extra hour of daylight after work to potter around the garden, go into work an hour earlier and knock off earlier. If you struggle to get up while it's still dark and want an extra hour of light before you need to leave for work, start work an hour later. It would have exactly the same effect as changing the clocks, but only affects you. And, you could arrange the time shift to suit you, say adjust your alarm clock 10 minutes every week and spread that hour change over 6 weeks so you don't have the shock of doing it all at once.

That is, if work (and associated infrastructure such as the train timetable) allows it, which isn't going to be the case for many people.

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And, you could arrange the time shift to suit you, say adjust your alarm clock 10 minutes every week and spread that hour change over 6 weeks so you don't have the shock of doing it all at once.

When we switch to DST I make the change over four days. Four days before the official change, I set my bedside clock ahead fifteen minutes. The next night another fifteen minutes, etc. I go to bed earlier the third night and fourth nights because I'm sleepy earlier.

It's much easier for me to adjust to the time change that way.

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Marvin the Martian

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If you want an extra hour of daylight after work to potter around the garden, go into work an hour earlier and knock off earlier.

That might work for solo activities like gardening. But without the extra hour of sunlight in the evening the midweek cricket league I play in would be impossible, as there would be no way everybody would be able to just clock off from work an hour early.

Of course, if the only problem is the actual clock change itself then we could implement a nationwide agreement that the clocks stay on GMT all year round, but between March and October everybody's work hours get moved, such that a 9-5 job becomes an 8-4. That way the clocks can stay the same and those of us that like having extra sunlit hours after work are happy. Would that be OK with all the DST-haters?

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^ If they fall for that, consider a career in politics.

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Generally speaking, yes.

Everyone's hours changing to accomodate your cricket practice? No. I don't expect everyone else to get up with me for my morning news shift, either.

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Why not just work 8 till 4 all year round? At 55N, it would make exactly zero difference. The schools go from 0830 to 1530, so I can even see benefits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
If you want an extra hour of daylight after work to potter around the garden, go into work an hour earlier and knock off earlier.

That might work for solo activities like gardening. But without the extra hour of sunlight in the evening the midweek cricket league I play in would be impossible, as there would be no way everybody would be able to just clock off from work an hour early.

Of course, if the only problem is the actual clock change itself then we could implement a nationwide agreement that the clocks stay on GMT all year round, but between March and October everybody's work hours get moved, such that a 9-5 job becomes an 8-4. That way the clocks can stay the same and those of us that like having extra sunlit hours after work are happy. Would that be OK with all the DST-haters?

No. Why the fuck should my fucking sleep be fucked up just because fucking YOU want to fucking play fucking cricket?

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Why not just work 8 till 4 all year round? At 55N, it would make exactly zero difference. The schools go from 0830 to 1530, so I can even see benefits.

Because it would mean getting my arse out of bed a whole lot earlier and it requires superhuman effort as it is.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
Why the fuck should my fucking sleep be fucked up just because fucking YOU want to fucking play fucking cricket?

One might as well ask why an entire fucking sports league should be fucked up just because fucking YOU can't be arsed to fucking go to fucking bed a fucking hour earlier for one fucking day a year.

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I think they should simply make these cricket matches shorter.

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I didn't realize that cricket was involved, now this puts a very different complexion on matters.

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quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
I think they should simply make these cricket matches shorter.

Done that. In most of June and July we often played thirty overs per side, finishing just about 8:30pm. Rest of the season twenty.

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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
I think they should simply make these cricket matches shorter.

Done that. In most of June and July we often played thirty overs per side, finishing just about 8:30pm. Rest of the season twenty.
I was thinking more like 10mins
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I’ve tried to explain to the dogs that our schedule has been pushed off an hour but they’re just not getting it.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Why the fuck should my fucking sleep be fucked up just because fucking YOU want to fucking play fucking cricket?

One might as well ask why an entire fucking sports league should be fucked up just because fucking YOU can't be arsed to fucking go to fucking bed a fucking hour earlier for one fucking day a year.
Daylight savings time isn't one fucking day a year it's the whole fucking summer. What drug are you on, fuckboy?

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With all the apparent crankiness, this thread is a massive anti-DST argument.

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It's more than half the year in the US - second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in November. And it sucks donkey balls.
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Ah, I enjoyed the later, lingering dusk yesterday evening. [Razz]

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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Why the fuck should my fucking sleep be fucked up just because fucking YOU want to fucking play fucking cricket?

One might as well ask why an entire fucking sports league should be fucked up just because fucking YOU can't be arsed to fucking go to fucking bed a fucking hour earlier for one fucking day a year.
Daylight savings time isn't one fucking day a year it's the whole fucking summer. What drug are you on, fuckboy?
Surely it only takes one day to adapt - go to bed an hour earlier, have the same amount of sleep as usual, wake up an hour earlier than usual (except because of the time change it's the same time as usual), and boom! You're back on the same timings as you always were, having had the same amount of sleep.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

Surely it only takes one day to adapt - go to bed an hour earlier, have the same amount of sleep as usual, wake up an hour earlier than usual (except because of the time change it's the same time as usual), and boom! You're back on the same timings as you always were, having had the same amount of sleep.

Or not. Because (a) you aren't sleepy an hour earlier and (b) when you wake up, it's bloody dark and thus completely inconducive to waking up.

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Marvin--

Some people's circadian rhythms don't adjust well.

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I sure wish I could figure out how to change the clock in my car. I try to keep track of what the hour is, but it's not easy for this elderly brain to calculate. Yeah, yeah I know it's not high in priority compared to the screwed up, horrible world problems, but it seems to me it is an annoyance that could easily be avoided.

Around here, the old-timers talk about "quick time" and "slow time". I can't even figure out which is which. Sad, isn't it?

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It is time for chocolate. This is all anyone need know.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Surely it only takes one day to adapt - go to bed an hour earlier, have the same amount of sleep as usual, wake up an hour earlier than usual (except because of the time change it's the same time as usual), and boom! You're back on the same timings as you always were, having had the same amount of sleep.

I'm pleased you can adapt so easily. May it always be so. Can you please consider in the back of your mind that maybe some other people cannot? That it really messes with their systems for more than one day?

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Surely it only takes one day to adapt - go to bed an hour earlier, have the same amount of sleep as usual, wake up an hour earlier than usual (except because of the time change it's the same time as usual), and boom! You're back on the same timings as you always were, having had the same amount of sleep.

Are you actually able to do that-- just climb into bed an hour early and magically fall asleep?

[Disappointed] (green w/ envy)

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I tend to do it on the Sunday, because then I'm tired an hour earlier than usual anyway. Honestly, it's not a big problem for me.

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
It's more than half the year in the US - second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in November. And it sucks donkey balls.

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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Ah, I enjoyed the later, lingering dusk yesterday evening. [Razz]

Most of don't enjoy sucking donkey balls in the lingering dusk, but, whatever floats your boat...
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