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Thread: I Hate Daylight Savings Time
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molopata
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Well, what is food for thought is that if you're an inhabitant of Xinjiang, you run your clocks on Beijing time. That's about 3 1/2 hours off local time. It's like having DST three times over, not just for 7 months a year, but pretty much all your life. Try that on for size.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
... go to bed an hour earlier, have the same amount of sleep as usual, wake up an hour earlier than usual ...
I think you and I must just be lucky, Marvin - that's more-or-less the way I see it. I'll admit to finding myself feeling a bit sleepy coming up to the winter change, and thinking, "I'm really looking forward to that extra hour in bed", but I tend to treat the spring change in the way you suggest.
At least that's the theory - I'm a terrible night-owl, and the intention of going to bed an hour earlier doesn't always get translated into an actual occurrence ... ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Piglet:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
... go to bed an hour earlier, have the same amount of sleep as usual, wake up an hour earlier than usual ...
I think you and I must just be lucky, Marvin - that's more-or-less the way I see it. I'll admit to finding myself feeling a bit sleepy coming up to the winter change, and thinking, "I'm really looking forward to that extra hour in bed", but I tend to treat the spring change in the way you suggest.
At least that's the theory - I'm a terrible night-owl, and the intention of going to bed an hour earlier doesn't always get translated into an actual occurrence ...
Piglet, you have the advantage of having lived in Orkney, where you have to go to sleep through a fair amount of daylight (and work through a good deal of darkness) as a matter of course.
My understanding is that the circadian rhythm is a shade more than 24 hours and this offset enables us to shift our body clock. Maybe not immediately, but it enables us to overcome jetlag which is far more disruptive.
I'm just lucky though: I'm a night owl so a longer day is OK and I sleep pretty much at any time of day.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
My understanding is that the circadian rhythm is a shade more than 24 hours and this offset enables us to shift our body clock. Maybe not immediately, but it enables us to overcome jetlag which is far more disruptive.
It depends on the person. "morning" people have shorter body clocks, which tell them to go to bed sooner, and "night" people have longer body clocks which don't tell them to go to bed.
Sunlight helps set our clock. I've seen advice that people with shorter clocks should maximise their exposure to sunlight in the late afternoon if they want to keep going longer, but people with longer clocks need to reduce their exposure to sunlight in the latter part of the day so that their body gets the message to wind down sooner.
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RuthW
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My internal clock is tied to the sun. I wake at sunrise pretty naturally. Sunrise is now after 7 am, but I have be at work by 8. I won't be adjusted to the time change until sometime in April.
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marzipan
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I'm just glad to be out of the December/ January misery of "arrive at work as the sun is rising, leave after it has already set". By the time the clocks go forward, I don't really notice as the sun is up early enough before I leave the house anyway (October is always miserable though even with the extra holiday we get in Ireland around that time)
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
... Piglet, you have the advantage of having lived in Orkney, where you have to go to sleep through a fair amount of daylight (and work through a good deal of darkness) as a matter of course ...
Absolutely - and that may well be why the seasonal changes don't really bother me.
I remember as a child (when one was expected to go to bed at, say 8:30 at night) not really wanting to, as it was still light (and would be for some time), but I just had to get used to it.
I wonder if there's a nature/nurture dichotomy in the circadian rhythms of people who grew up in Northerly Latitudes - are we less likely to be adversely affected by the time changes, or to suffer from SAD?
Might make an interesting subject for a thesis ... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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It depends on the person. "morning" people have shorter body clocks, which tell them to go to bed sooner, and "night" people have longer body clocks which don't tell them to go to bed.
Sunlight helps set our clock. I've seen advice that people with shorter clocks should maximise their exposure to sunlight in the late afternoon if they want to keep going longer, but people with longer clocks need to reduce their exposure to sunlight in the latter part of the day so that their body gets the message to wind down sooner.
I'm more of a morning person than a night person. When I was pregnant with my son, I wouldn't feel the first kicks till 10am, and when I was trying to get to sleep at night, he'd be bouncing around partying away till 1am.
After he was born he had exactly the same sleeping / waking pattern. My midwife said he'd probably have that sleep pattern for life. He's now in his twenties and still the same.
The sun, or lack thereof, seems to have no impact on him.
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Originally posted by Piglet:
I wonder if there's a nature/nurture dichotomy in the circadian rhythms of people who grew up in Northerly Latitudes - are we less likely to be adversely affected by the time changes, or to suffer from SAD?
Might make an interesting subject for a thesis ...
I think there is some research on this already. Several things help. One is staying active, particularly with outdoor activity. Too much sedentary and inactivity harms coping. Regardless of the weather, amount of light, temperature, get your sorry self outside and exert a little. A little exertion means you're in the present because you're straining, and if you're not in the present, exert harder.
A second is not to complain and not to fight the seasonal changes. The world is ours to live in, not our's to control. Despite what everyone seems to think.
Third, talk to a doctor or someone who knows about whether you should take vitamin D (and calcium while you're at it).
Fourth, see about getting lights if your trouble is significant with seasonal change. Again talk to some health care person about it.
Fifth, blow up your TV, throw away your cell phone, get out into the country, build you a life.
Personally I like all seasons. Except the season of melt-freeze-melt-snow-melt etc, which is fully underway.
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Golden Key
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Actually, people who've lived in northern climes all their lives get SAD, too.
Researchers used to think it was just displaced southerners. They did try talking to Scandinavians, because of the winter short days and long nights. Initially, the researchers thought Scandinavians weren't affected.
Then they changed their technique and asked questions differently. They found that lots of Scandinavians have SAD; and just about everyone there has some relative who basically holes up for the winter. Culturally, though, they just didn't think of it as a problem.
I found that out when I was looking into my own possible SAD. I think it was in The Hibernation Response. I'm of Scandinavian heritage, among other N. Euro groups, and I have severe SAD, requiring medication.
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Moo
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When I lived in New Hampshire I had a mild case of SAD. Then someone advised me to spend a half-hour or forty-five minutes outdoors when the sun was at its highest. Even when it was overcast, the sun shining through the clouds was enough.
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luvanddaisies
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I'm working tomorrow, and am resenting the fact that someone is going to run off cackling into the darkness with an hour of my sleep bundled into their swag-bag tonight.
I won't even remember about it in a week, but the thought of it tonight is making me grumpy, and slightly worried that my phone and/or my radio won't automatically change and that I'll end up being late. I hate being late.
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marzipan
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remembered to change the time on my alarm clock last night. Did not remember to set the alarm!
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Huia
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I'm working tomorrow, and am resenting the fact that someone is going to run off cackling into the darkness with an hour of my sleep bundled into their swag-bag tonight.
Thanks for the hour luvanddaises, though I won't be using it until next Saturday night when I will have a whole hour's more sleep so I can wake up refreshed for Easter Day ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
I am already feeding my cat a bit later to gradually get her used to it.
Huia
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Uncle Pete
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No changing of clocks in India - and I haven't had to worry about the clock change three weeks before the end of winter for over a decade. By the time I return home I am so jetlagged that I hardly notice the clocks. That being said, it is easier travelling west, and I quite enjoy the stopover in the UK.
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luvanddaisies
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Originally posted by Huia:
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I'm working tomorrow, and am resenting the fact that someone is going to run off cackling into the darkness with an hour of my sleep bundled into their swag-bag tonight.
Thanks for the hour luvanddaises, though I won't be using it until next Saturday night when I will have a whole hour's more sleep so I can wake up refreshed for Easter Day
I am already feeding my cat a bit later to gradually get her used to it.
Huia
Bloody hell, if you're willing to fly all the way from the antipodes just to stuff an hour of my sleep in a sack and fly back again, you've earned it.
Even so, ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Huia:
... I will have a whole hour's more sleep so I can wake up refreshed for Easter Day ...
[grits teeth] I hope you enjoy it. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
We have a sung Eucharist with New Fire at 6 o'clock in the bloody morning on Easter Day, so I'll be up at silly o'clock to go and sing at it.
The one good thing about our daylight-saving time starting on the second Sunday in March is that there's no danger of it clashing with Easter (which it could when the clocks went forward later in the month).
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Moo
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Originally posted by Piglet:
The one good thing about our daylight-saving time starting on the second Sunday in March is that there's no danger of it clashing with Easter (which it could when the clocks went forward later in the month).
Yes, I remember one Easter when that happened.
Moo
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leo
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Originally posted by Moo:
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Originally posted by Piglet:
The one good thing about our daylight-saving time starting on the second Sunday in March is that there's no danger of it clashing with Easter (which it could when the clocks went forward later in the month).
Yes, I remember one Easter when that happened.
Moo
So do I because we started our Easter Vigiol at 5am so it felt like 4 am.
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balaam
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I remember it too. There was a planned sunrise service and no-one was sure when sunrise was.
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Lothlorien
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Daylight savings ends here Sunday night. Easter Sunday. As Huia says, an extra hour for us.
About time too. I quite like daylight savings in general, but it has been as black in morning lately as at midnight..
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orfeo
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Travelling 36 hours, complete with delays and sitting next to rowdy children, has shown up the trivial whining on this thread for what it is.
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Firenze
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Don't knock trivial whining. Where would Hell be without it?
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