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Baptist Trainfan
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
It does some really strange things opening PowerPoint files and Word documents (especially .docx ones).

Yes, we have a laptop we use for presentations in our church. It's fine for ordinary use, but:

- it doesn't like quite a lot of the fonts we use, so substitutes others which might be a different size;
- it doesn't like fancy slides and animations;
- if showing a continuous loop, you get an extra "blank" slide each time round.

I tend to bring in my own laptop most times ...

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Paul.
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The irony about the car joke is that cars are increasingly computerised and it's due to go to a whole new level with Apple and Google (and others) vying to be the standard "car OS" - and that's before we get to self-driving cars.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Perhaps you shouldn't have told me that - I picked up my new car TODAY!
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no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
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While it is possible to locate the fault with documents with Word as with Open/libre Office, though I might lean towards blaming Word and Microsoft because when thorough inter-operability was being discussed, Microsoft asserted its standard:
quote:
The ISO standardization of [Microsoft] Office Open XML was controversial and embittered, with much discussion both about the specification and about the standardization process.
Further info Is DOCX really an open standard?
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ISO ... adopted the ODF (Open Document Format) back in 2006 to solve the document standardization crisis. This is the format that is used by Libre and Open office, along with most other open office suites. Such a format becoming successful would of course threaten Microsoft's already established monopoly ...[so].. they decided to create their own open standard with [docx]... when you save a document in MS Office 2010 or prior in any of the ‘X’ formats, you are not saving them in the advertised OpenXML format. This document will hence NOT be properly readable by other software such as Libre and Open Office and they will make changes to the document when they are opened and saved within them. The problem hence lies with the former [i.e. Microsoft docx], not the latter.
All of this said, I get that people married to MS Word will complain about documents not in its format. But I'm not willing to pay to fix a 'not my problem'. Saving documents in .doc or proper .odt (Open Document Format Text Document) which is used by every other word processor. Though I generally ship documents to others in .pdf instead.

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It's also amusingly wrong-headed to think that cars are flawless when put into production, or that they haven't changed massively during their evolution. Door locks, requiring keys to start, seatbelts, bumpers, headlights, windshields, windshield wipers, ABS, airbags, crumple zones, side-impact reinforcements - all bloatware that makes cars heavier than before! Waaaah!

The main difference between software and classic physical products is the evolutionary cycle time.

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Baptist Trainfan
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Yes.

Model T Ford: 540kg.
Fiat Topolino: 550kg.
Morris Minor: 775kg.
VW Up! (a tiny car): 950kg.

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Penny S
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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
While it is possible to locate the fault with documents with Word as with Open/libre Office, though I might lean towards blaming Word and Microsoft because when thorough inter-operability was being discussed, Microsoft asserted its standard:
quote:
The ISO standardization of [Microsoft] Office Open XML was controversial and embittered, with much discussion both about the specification and about the standardization process.
Further info Is DOCX really an open standard?
quote:
ISO ... adopted the ODF (Open Document Format) back in 2006 to solve the document standardization crisis. This is the format that is used by Libre and Open office, along with most other open office suites. Such a format becoming successful would of course threaten Microsoft's already established monopoly ...[so].. they decided to create their own open standard with [docx]... when you save a document in MS Office 2010 or prior in any of the ‘X’ formats, you are not saving them in the advertised OpenXML format. This document will hence NOT be properly readable by other software such as Libre and Open Office and they will make changes to the document when they are opened and saved within them. The problem hence lies with the former [i.e. Microsoft docx], not the latter.
All of this said, I get that people married to MS Word will complain about documents not in its format. But I'm not willing to pay to fix a 'not my problem'. Saving documents in .doc or proper .odt (Open Document Format Text Document) which is used by every other word processor. Though I generally ship documents to others in .pdf instead.

That's odd. When my roofer sent stuff in docx, my old MS programs wouldn't open it, but StarOffice (also OpenOffice) would. They are the only people who send me stuff in that format.
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orfeo

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The TechGeek thread is thataway.

*points randomly away from Hell*

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I beg to differ.
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orfeo

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You Bastard.

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Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.

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Marvin the Martian

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[Killing me]

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Was, grandfather, was.

It's time for Grandpa to have another whinge. Well, the same whinge, really. This time, it's the new flat-look trend for UIs. On a phone, that probably makes sense. Your phone has a limited number of pixels, and a limited size.

On a full-size computer screen, it doesn't. 3-D cues add information. Removing them in aid of making everything a phone is unhelpful. (But yes, 3-D can be taken too far *cough* Motif *cough*).

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
This time, it's the new flat-look trend for UIs.

I am personally quite relieved that the irritating anachronism of skeuomorphic design is finally abating. There much more efficient ways to communicate functional transitions without wasting bandwidth by pretending to be a physical object. It is offensive to my aesthetic of form & function to bother with such mincing affectations. Especially when they're something awful, like pretending to be leather-bound.
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
It is offensive to my aesthetic of form & function to bother with such mincing affectations.

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Funny.
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orfeo

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In my mind I'm idly speculating whether the rules about writing in English are equipped to deal with a situation where a Shipmate writes in a transformed version of English, and provides a link to enable the transformation to be reversed...

Kind of reminds me of the time a printer decided it would print out a document in Wingdings font.

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Kelly Alves

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Not to change the subject, but is everybody else who has Chrome finding it is wilting like a Southern Belle in summer lately? I have had to reinstall the damn thing three times within a month.

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I want to know why in the hell every fucking program or website has decided to put their forms etc. into a combination of white on very light almond. Is contrast suddenly Evil™ or what? It makes me feel ancient when I can't even find the fucking box to type crap into, because I can't barely see it on the frigging screen. And if the designers are going to be such assholes about this, why is it always pale pale almond and not randomly pale pale green, or pink, or some other freaking color? You'd swear the almond conglomerate of the world is planning a takeover any minute...

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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!

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Alan Cresswell

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How do you manage to say all that about almond, and not mention anything about it being nuts?

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Sigh. You don't get a pass on this because it's 'post-ironic' or 'meta' or whatever you young folk say these days.

Posts that are not in English require a translation immediately below. No exceptions.

DT
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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
How do you manage to say all that about almond, and not mention anything about it being nuts?

Shhh, don't stop her, she's cussing like a sailor! [Eek!]

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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.

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Lamb Chopped
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You taught me everything I know, Kel. [Axe murder] [Snigger]

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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!

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