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IngoB

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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
I mean, honestly, look at this big guy and tell me he's less of a person than Donald Trump.

We keep Donald Trump in a box for viewing as well, don't we?

(I wouldn't bet any money on either 1 or 2 from seeing that video. Furthermore, 1 and 2 can be "instinctive", of course. And while I generally agree that 3 is atrocious, not just for animals that we find easy to humanise, zoos are nowadays often a last holdout against extinction...)

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Marvin the Martian

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quote:
Originally posted by Darllenwr:
why use a crossbow? Because it's silent and doesn't draw attention to itself.

More like "because you have to get much closer to the prey than with a gun, and therefore it's a greater challenge and test of skill".

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IngoB

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Darllenwr:
why use a crossbow? Because it's silent and doesn't draw attention to itself.

More like "because you have to get much closer to the prey than with a gun, and therefore it's a greater challenge and test of skill".
He was not using a crossbow, but a (modern) hunting bow, I believe. Going up alone against a lion with bow and arrow does require skill, strength and courage - whatever else one might say about that. However, I assume the guy had several people with high-powered rifles backing him up. At which point all this becomes glorified target practice providing a fake adrenaline rush...

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Albertus
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Yup. Going face to face with a spear and no back-up: I can see, in a way, what that would be about. But this is really and literally only a step or two up from shooting fish in a barrel.
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BTW this is what Baden-Powell had to say on the subject in Scouting for Boys over a century ago (quote OK- it's in the public domain):

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“....as you get to study animals you get to like them more and more. You will soon find that you don’t want to kill them for the mere sake of killing. Also the more you see of them the more you see the wonderful work of God in them.
All the fun of hunting lies in the adventurous life of the jungle, the chance in many cases of the animal hunting you instead of you hunting the animal, the interest of tracking it up, stalking it and watching all that it does and learning its habits. The actual shooting the animal that follows is only a very small part of the excitement.
No Scout should ever kill an animal unless there is some real reason for doing so, and in that case he should kill it quickly and effectively, to give it as little pain as possible.
In fact many big games hunters nowadays prefer to shoot their game with the camera instead of the rifle which gives just as interesting results....”



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Amen Baden-Powell [Overused]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by Beenster:
It's not just the demise of one lion, tho. The protracted and clumsy killing of Cecil will result in the death of his 12 cubs, as the new head of the pride will kill them in order to claim the lioness. article here

Jesus God. [Disappointed]
But then the human race has previous for mum's new boyfriend killing previous partner's child. [Frown]

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I had no idea dentistry was so lucrative.

(Last visit to the dentist I made, I paid about €60 for check-up, scale and polish and X-rays. Standard rates, reimbursed 100% by the Social Security and my mutual fund. Oh yes I lurve me some pinko Commie-leftist socialised healthcare.)

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The guy is a worthless overcompensating dickless bag of shit.

IngoB is spot on - how many guys with guns were standing around while this asshole "hunted"? Who set up the bait to lure the prey to where it could be "legally" killed? And who chased the animal for two days so that dickweed could enjoy killing it? That's not hunting.

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Dentists are outside of public funded health care in Canada. Terribly expensive. A check up is about $350, with cleaning adding another 225. Extraction of teeth is about 1200 per tooth. Fillings easily 600 to 1000.

They have reported that of health care personnel dentists have the highest suicide rates....

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Dentists are outside of public funded health care in Canada. Terribly expensive. A check up is about $350, with cleaning adding another 225. Extraction of teeth is about 1200 per tooth. Fillings easily 600 to 1000.

They have reported that of health care personnel dentists have the highest suicide rates....

That's a lot higher than we pay here.

I've heard that before about dentist suicide rates. It seems it has to do with folks dreading them and such.

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It seems to me that the only justifications for killing an animal are (a) eating it; or (b) stopping it eating you.

As I understand it, neither applied to Cecil.

I suspect there wouldn't be a world-wide wailing and gnashing of teeth (sorry!) if this bloke joined the ranks of suicidal dentists.

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North East Quine

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I lurve my dentist.

[Axe murder]

Check up - £28.
Filling - no idea
Extraction - £150
Root canal - £200.

Update on dentist's King Charles spaniel, two small sons, unwell mother-in-law and latest holiday - free.

Both the North East offspring (21 and 19) still get free dentistry because they're still in full time education.

My dentist wouldn't hurt a fly.

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I once wrote my dentist a check for $10,000, it was almost exactly what I earned that year. That was 1989, the cost of surgery plus bridge work has probably doubled since.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I once wrote my dentist a check for $10,000, it was almost exactly what I earned that year. That was 1989, the cost of surgery plus bridge work has probably doubled since.

That is fucking nuts. You could have flown to the UK, gone private, stayed in a hotel while you were here, and flown back home again with change in your pocket.

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Hungary's the place for good cheap dentistry, apparently (or was about five years ago). Used to have an NZ colleague who, not being able to use NHS dentistry, regularly used to fly there to get his teeth looked at.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

They have reported that of health care personnel dentists have the highest suicide rates....

Looks like this geezer needn't bother about suicide. ISTM anything the masses regard as diabolical, which then goes viral on the NET, pretty much makes someone like him a dead man walking.

£28 pound for a check-up in NE Scotland? That's remarkably consistent, I paid that exact sum yesterday for the same in Cornwall.

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I know, we get hosed. One of my daughters had to had braces on her teeth. The office puts everyone on a monthly payment plan for 4 years. All told, it was just more than $11,000.

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est? Fu fu fu fu, fu fu fu fu

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Standard NHS dental charges though these days it is hard to find an NHS dentist (I have one and he is lovely). But his private charges aren't that much more. Cleaning costs £40 privately at his practice.
My recent extraction was free as he referred me to the community dental centre as it was a difficult removal.

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God Almighty, O that You would come down from the heavens and smite all those who would make this a place to discuss the cost of their teeth.

Didn't take long, did it? So much for maintaining the rage about the pointless death of animals, most of you have decided that your wallet is more interesting.

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I was in quite a spot about 18 months ago with a wisdom tooth going bad on me and no insurance or cash to speak of.

As it happened a local church did a charity dental thing for probably thousands of people. It took about 14 hours but they snatched not one but two wisdom teeth free of charge.

It was a minor miracle for me at the time, and my employment situation improved dramatically not long afterward. So last Christmas I sent them an anonymous thank you letter and donation roughly equivalent to the cost of the extractions.

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Having my cat's teeth cleaned is going to cost me somewhere between $1,5000 and $3,000. I don't believe my vet is into big game hunting, though. Maybe psycho dentist should do community service by cleaning puppeh and kitteh teeth at the SPCA.

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Kelly Alves

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That actually isn't such a bad idea. At least give the guy some tangible education in empathy.

I gotta say it, as disgusting as I find the whole matter, what is happening on Yelp isn't giving me any better view of humanity than this douche did. Not only are they forcing the Yelp admins to delete hundreds of duplicate posts a day, but they are now calling it obstruction of free speech. Because, you know, even if they left up five pages of "reviews" sounding off on this guy's ethics(which they have), if they didn't let the other 150 pages stand, they are enabling a murderer.

Jimmy Kimmel has it right--go ahead and sound off, but then express your outrage in the form of a check to the wildlife preservation fund. Picking on a bunch of code monkeys at a review site helps nothing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
What gets me is that the poor old lion was lured out of its sanctuary to be murdered. Because it wouldn't have been legal to kill it inside but once it was out, "fair game".

The luring was apparently done not by the dentist (he wouldn't know how) but by the locals who had to come up with a lion. I don't know if failing to find a lion would have resulted in having to refund the $35,000 or just in getting a reputation for failing to deliver that would quickly kill their business. Either way, they were under strong pressure to not care how they got a lion, and possibly believe "the only sin is getting caught." Whoops, they got caught.

If a couple dozen other collared lions have been killed, luring is perhaps a common way to finding a lion to satisfy the client's need to kill. This time they lured the wrong (from their viewpoint) collared lion. The "right" collared lion to lure would be one with no name/reputation.

I wonder what will happen to the dentist. Most people have real short memories. His life could be back to almost normal in a few months? And then on to the next "hunt"?

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This is America. He will lose a few lefty patients, but will quickly become a darling of the right-wing gun nuts, who will see him as a martyr being persecuted by the liberal media (and yes, piling on the yelp reviews, publishing his address, etc. doesn't help counter that narrative). He'll pick up enough right wing patients drawn to his celebrity to more than replace the lefty ones who leave. And he might pick up a couple of high-ticket speaking engagements where all he needs to do is strut around with his gun.


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There is now a "Dentists for Lions" group fundraising for LionAid.
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What gets me is that you only get in trouble if you kill a favourite lion.

And in other news, the abortion pill was approved for sale in Canada this week.

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Twilight

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
That actually isn't such a bad idea. At least give the guy some tangible education in empathy.

I gotta say it, as disgusting as I find the whole matter, what is happening on Yelp isn't giving me any better view of humanity than this douche did. Not only are they forcing the Yelp admins to delete hundreds of duplicate posts a day, but they are now calling it obstruction of free speech. Because, you know, even if they left up five pages of "reviews" sounding off on this guy's ethics(which they have), if they didn't let the other 150 pages stand, they are enabling a murderer.

Jimmy Kimmel has it right--go ahead and sound off, but then express your outrage in the form of a check to the wildlife preservation fund. Picking on a bunch of code monkeys at a review site helps nothing.

Seriously. Why do people have to take things so far that I end up feeling sorry for the bad guy. He was a heartless idiot. He thought he would be admired for his macho skills and instead he now knows he is hated by thousands. He has lost his business and his standing in the community. That's enough now.
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What gets me is that you only get in trouble if you kill a favourite lion.

And in other news, the abortion pill was approved for sale in Canada this week.
I don't know exactly what connection you're trying to draw, but if you make it clearer there seems a fairly good chance I'm going to tell you to fuck off.

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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
This is America. He will lose a few lefty patients, but will quickly become a darling of the right-wing gun nuts, who will see him as a martyr being persecuted by the liberal media (and yes, piling on the yelp reviews, publishing his address, etc. doesn't help counter that narrative). He'll pick up enough right wing patients drawn to his celebrity to more than replace the lefty ones who leave. And he might pick up a couple of high-ticket speaking engagements where all he needs to do is strut around with his gun.

Time will tell. I don't know anyone who kills animals for the hell of it, just to get a stuffed head on a wall. I do see a lot of deer heads, but the deer meat is eaten.

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Looks like there's trouble brewing in the UK for someone who killed an "anonymous" lion: link. Warning: link contains some potentially distressing images.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
That actually isn't such a bad idea. At least give the guy some tangible education in empathy.

I gotta say it, as disgusting as I find the whole matter, what is happening on Yelp isn't giving me any better view of humanity than this douche did. Not only are they forcing the Yelp admins to delete hundreds of duplicate posts a day, but they are now calling it obstruction of free speech. Because, you know, even if they left up five pages of "reviews" sounding off on this guy's ethics(which they have), if they didn't let the other 150 pages stand, they are enabling a murderer.

Jimmy Kimmel has it right--go ahead and sound off, but then express your outrage in the form of a check to the wildlife preservation fund. Picking on a bunch of code monkeys at a review site helps nothing.

Seriously. Why do people have to take things so far that I end up feeling sorry for the bad guy. He was a heartless idiot. He thought he would be admired for his macho skills and instead he now knows he is hated by thousands. He has lost his business and his standing in the community. That's enough now.
I am not quite Christian enough to feel sorry for him-- satisfied, maybe, that karma has hit him good, and we can drop it now--but there are now people freaking stirring up grassroots protests against Yelp itself, merely for saying, "Y'all made your point, can you take this to Huffpost, please?"

That ie bullshit, and bullying to boot. Not of Dr. Killgood, you understand, but of Yelp employees just doing their job.

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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Looks like there's trouble brewing in the UK for someone who killed an "anonymous" lion: link. Warning: link contains some potentially distressing images.

Yeah, so I'm a lawyer, but to me when I read in that article that someone says "lion killing is unacceptable", it clearly IS acceptable. To the law of the land where it happened.

(The killing of Cecil, on the other hand, is not acceptable to the law of Zimbabwe.)

Killing animals for sport isn't acceptable to me (use a camera please, or why the hell can't they switch to paintball guns?), but I'm able to grasp that there's a big gap between it not being acceptable to me and treating that unacceptability as some kind of universal truth. The proposition that you might strip someone's title for having engaged in a perfectly legal activity that some people don't like seems rather ridiculous.

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there's a big gap between it not being acceptable to me and treating that unacceptability as some kind of universal truth

What do you mean? You've clearly never heard of Natural Law. Let me explain it to you in dense walls of text with a bazillion links, and you can't help but agree with me.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
... someone says "lion killing is unacceptable", it clearly IS acceptable. To the law of the land where it happened.

...I'm able to grasp that there's a big gap between it not being acceptable to me and treating that unacceptability as some kind of universal truth. The proposition that you might strip someone's title for having engaged in a perfectly legal activity that some people don't like seems rather ridiculous.

But we do make some laws with international force, for example the UK Bribery Act says it doesn't matter if you're not breaking the law in the country where you do the corruption. If it would be illegal in the UK, it's illegal. I think the FCPA has similar international reach.

There are some crimes that we've decided not to export. This isn't, yet, one of them.

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Incidentally, my dentist shot his own dog. By accident, so he says.

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That post plus your sig are the beginnings of a torrid country song.

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Originally posted by orfeo:

Killing animals for sport isn't acceptable to me (use a camera please, or why the hell can't they switch to paintball guns?),

It might be quite amusing to watch someone trying to hit a lion with a paintball marker, but it's still ultimately going to result in a dead lion.
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Killing animals for sport isn't acceptable to me (use a camera please, or why the hell can't they switch to paintball guns?), but I'm able to grasp that there's a big gap between it not being acceptable to me and treating that unacceptability as some kind of universal truth.

Isn't that how laws get made in the first place? Enough people find something unacceptable so they make it illegal.

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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

Killing animals for sport isn't acceptable to me (use a camera please, or why the hell can't they switch to paintball guns?),

It might be quite amusing to watch someone trying to hit a lion with a paintball marker, but it's still ultimately going to result in a dead lion.
Depends what you're using in your paint, I suppose.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

Killing animals for sport isn't acceptable to me (use a camera please, or why the hell can't they switch to paintball guns?),

It might be quite amusing to watch someone trying to hit a lion with a paintball marker, but it's still ultimately going to result in a dead lion.
My first thought was, what are ypu gonna do now that you've attracted the lion's attention? Run away? Hope you run fast."

Camera, really.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Depends what you're using in your paint, I suppose.

Yes, OK, I was rather assuming that nobody is daft enough to walk around near a lion without some kind of high calibre backup...
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Depends what you're using in your paint, I suppose.

Yes, OK, I was rather assuming that nobody is daft enough to walk around near a lion without some kind of high calibre backup...
Well, dang. That's not much of a sport then, is it? I envisaged teams of paintballers, roaming the savannah, tagging lions and then running away as quickly as possible, hoping that they weren't the slowest in their group...

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Zimbabwe has requested his extradition. US Fish & Game is trying to find him, but he's gone to ground. Maybe he needs to be lured out now?

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Well, dang. That's not much of a sport then, is it? I envisaged teams of paintballers, roaming the savannah, tagging lions and then running away as quickly as possible, hoping that they weren't the slowest in their group...

Perhaps the lions could be equipped with different coloured raddles, so we can keep score.

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Zimbabwe has requested his extradition. US Fish & Game is trying to find him, but he's gone to ground. Maybe he needs to be lured out now?

How do you lure a dentist? Trail around some people in expensive clothes with crooked teeth?

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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Killing animals for sport isn't acceptable to me (use a camera please, or why the hell can't they switch to paintball guns?), but I'm able to grasp that there's a big gap between it not being acceptable to me and treating that unacceptability as some kind of universal truth.

Isn't that how laws get made in the first place? Enough people find something unacceptable so they make it illegal.
Yes, but note the order of those two events.

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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Depends what you're using in your paint, I suppose.

Yes, OK, I was rather assuming that nobody is daft enough to walk around near a lion without some kind of high calibre backup...
But Cecil wasn't gunned down in the heat of the moment. He died 40 hours later. If shooting a lion with an arrow doesn't cause the lion to attack you in such a way that back-up is required, I'm not sure why we're assuming shooting it with a paintball would.

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And while I generally agree that 3 is atrocious, not just for animals that we find easy to humanise, zoos are nowadays often a last holdout against extinction...)

Living in a zoo or a cage is no life at all. As horrible as extinction is, I think it would be more compassionate to let the species go. No more animals should be taken out of the wild for research, display, performing, becoming pets, etc.

Take all the creatures out of the zoos, labs, and other forms of captivity, and give them the best life possible--probably one of those animal rehab and conservation facilities.

Close down all the zoos. Or display only 3D holograms. Maybe have a live feed from cameras in the wild--*if* the cameras, frequencies, etc. won't disturb the creatures.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Depends what you're using in your paint, I suppose.

Yes, OK, I was rather assuming that nobody is daft enough to walk around near a lion without some kind of high calibre backup...
But Cecil wasn't gunned down in the heat of the moment. He died 40 hours later. If shooting a lion with an arrow doesn't cause the lion to attack you in such a way that back-up is required, I'm not sure why we're assuming shooting it with a paintball would.
Because the arrow would injure the lion, and it might not be capable of attack. Whereas the paint ball would just piss it off...a LOT.

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