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Thread: National Novel Writing Month
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Doublethink.
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(I am Thinkable on the site - feel free to buddy ![[Smile]](smile.gif) )
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All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell
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Kelly Alves
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YES! took me all day, but I finally caught up.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Well done
[ 15. November 2015, 08:21: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]
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Sir Kevin
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My wife expects to have 25,000 words before dinner.
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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Writing is currently my hobby, not yet my profession.
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Fineline
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
(I am Thinkable on the site - feel free to buddy )
I would buddy you, but I'm not using the site this year. Whenever I've used it in the past, I've never got very far in my writing - I get totally distracted by the site itself. Especially last year when there were all these things you were supposed to do to gain points. This is the first year I think I stand a chance of completing 50,000 words, so I'm just focusing on writing and not the site.
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Sir Kevin
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Z wrote 5000 words yesterday; she'll have 25,000 by the end of the afternoon,
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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Writing is currently my hobby, not yet my profession.
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Amorya
Ship's tame galoot
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Broke the writers block yesterday, and pushed out 3400 words. I'm still behind, but moving again at least!
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Brenda Clough
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I am at 31K, entirely without any conscious effort on my part.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Just got to 30,000, but it definitely DID take a lot of conscious effort to carve out writing time. The second half of this November is much less busy for me than the first so I'm hoping to get past 50,000 and maybe even have this first draft completed (though it will be very very rough) by the end of the month.
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I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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Sir Kevin
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Yay, ladies!
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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Writing is currently my hobby, not yet my profession.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Taking the damn night off. Will regroup tomorrow.
Seriously i think it is a good idea o schedule in recovery time. i am on vacation all next week, and plan to spend most of it writing, but I can't stay cooped up in the hotel room all week.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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I've hit 40K for Nano, which makes just over 90K for the whole book so far. If I have as productive a last week as I'm hoping for, I will meet (hopefully exceed) my NaNo goal and also have a very, very, very rough draft of the whole story complete, which would be awesome.
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Books and things.
I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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Brenda Clough
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42K, but it is only fair to say that the horse knows the way to carry the sleigh. Also, I have got over the hump of the plot and we are now schussing down the snowy slope, faster and faster, butt tucked, ski poles clamped under the arms, and the ski jump is just ahead, where the entire thing zooms into the icy sparkling air and accumulates ten thousand words a day.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Congrats people with serious word counts, I have somewhat stalled again myself.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Join me in the poop out corner-- me, too. I think my were actually suffering computer fatigue, I just got really sleepy for the past two days.
I am heading out of town, though and am staying in a sleepy little town with not much to do, so hopefully will get a lot done.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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cattyish
Wuss in Boots
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I am catching up! My cooker is broken, the washing is half done, I have yet to pack to go off to Edinburgh tomorrow but I knocked out 4000 words today and am still hopeful about reaching the summit of Mount NaNoWriMo by the end of the month.
In other news, I suspect that some Nanoers will have an unfinished masterpiece to refer to for next year's inspiration. Also, if you're anything like my friend Alex then you'll write 10,000 words a day for the last three days and win at 1 minute to midnight.
Cattyish, off to eat something other than chocolate.
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Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Brenda Clough
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47K, and my miserable characters are in the pit of despair, surrounded by agonies on every side. And it will get worse, yes it will. We have not yet hit bottom. Along about 55K it will be the bottom, and then they can spend 30 or 40 thousand more words coming back up.
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Trudy Scrumptious
BBE Shieldmaiden
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I'm about 45K for the NaNo goal, which is about 98K total on this book. The biggest problem I'm encountering right now is that the part I'm writing involves quite a lot of technical legal, police procedural and financial details about which I know absolutely nothing. Just to move the story forward and have the human interactions for which the legal problems are the backdrop, I am pushing ahead and just making stuff up to fill in the blanks, with all the research to come later. So I'm writing away to get to the end of the story, all the while knowing that a huge chunk of what I'm writing at this point will end up getting thrown out and rewritten.
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Books and things.
I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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Brenda Clough
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Perfectly acceptable, everyone does that. It is dangerous to do the [and then a miracle happens here] thing -- what if you can't pull a miracle out of the hat in the rewrite? But everybody does the [big battle here, bang, boom]. Or [squishy sex, lot of fluids]. Or simply [more stuff here].
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Trudy Scrumptious
BBE Shieldmaiden
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Oh yes, I tend to do that anyway in first drafts, although it's more extreme when I'm trying to make a deadline. And most of my minor characters are named X and Y at this point.
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I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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Trudy Scrumptious: And most of my minor characters are named X and Y at this point.
I think I would call them QQQ or something. Much easier to do a Search and Replace later.
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I know why God made the rhinoceros, it's because He couldn't see the rhinoceros, so He made the rhinoceros to be able to see it. (Clarice Lispector)
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Yeah, that probably would be better. But this is they way I've always done it so I'm probably too set in my ways to change now.
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I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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All of my minor characters have names that begin with A or C. That annoys me.
I added some to my word count while I was on vacation but the lure of actually having adventures instead of writing them was too strong. Boy, did I need this vacation. IOW, I will probably only just break 30,000, and I am at peace with that.
I feel like I did nail down a few key events in the narrative, and that encourages me to keep pressing on.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Brenda Clough
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A beta reader who has minor dyslexic issues told me that it is very helpful when the characters all have quite different names. This then allows you to tinker with similarities in a deliberate way (to indicate inheritance or kinship or culture) rather than having it just happen. I also find Russian novels, with all the characters so similarly named, confusing: Natasha, Natalya, etc.
In the =final= draft all naming issues should be carefully considered and perfectly resolved ( Here is the first in a series of four blog posts on the subject). But in early stages it is perfectly OK to just shove the pedal to the floor and truck along down the highway fast.
Global search and replace is a great way to change Bob to Seymour in a ms. Just be sure to do the whole ms from the beginning. And reread it, before you call it done -- there are plenty of comedic examples of failure in global replace.
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Zeke
Ship's Inquirer
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I have a major character named Rob and a less important character named Bob, which bothers me. I am at 42K and very worried about finishing. My local group is not having a meeting today and I really need them to get a lot of words out. Of course no write in yesterday because of the holiday and only got a few hundred words in. There is an all nighter tomorrow night but I have things I have to do Sunday so I don't think I can stay long.I have had to make some changes in a major plot point which is very hard to adjust to.
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LeRoc
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Brenda Clough: I also find Russian novels, with all the characters so similarly named, confusing: Natasha, Natalya, etc.
Hehe, Cien años de soledad, where everyone is called Arcadio or Aureliano
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I know why God made the rhinoceros, it's because He couldn't see the rhinoceros, so He made the rhinoceros to be able to see it. (Clarice Lispector)
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Brenda Clough
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I agree, too close. Names like Rob and Bob are bad candidates for global search and replace, however. All occurrences of those letters will be replaced, and thus things like "discombobulated" becomes "discomrobulated."
I am rather pernickety about names in novels, and am not above playing little games with them. All the minor one-shot characters in the books I am writing now are derived from obscure Broadway musicals, for instance. I do not believe anyone will ever notice this, but it entertains me.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I agree, too close. Names like Rob and Bob are bad candidates for global search and replace, however. All occurrences of those letters will be replaced, and thus things like "discombobulated" becomes "discomrobulated."
...and even if you have a competent search-and-replace facility that can be instructed to match only "Rob" surrounded by non-letter characters, you'll find that you now have someone going out to bob a bank.
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Brenda Clough
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Yeah, there is =no= substitute for the intelligent reader's eye.
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Zeke
Ship's Inquirer
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There is an unofficial gathering tonight at a local coffee shop, so I am going to that. I actually got a couple of thousand words done this afternoon too.
After seeing the last few posts, I've decided to stick with Rob and Bob until I start doing major editing. I don't know what I was thinking, probably just going too fast.
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Lamb Chopped
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I agree, too close. Names like Rob and Bob are bad candidates for global search and replace, however. All occurrences of those letters will be replaced, and thus things like "discombobulated" becomes "discomrobulated."
...and even if you have a competent search-and-replace facility that can be instructed to match only "Rob" surrounded by non-letter characters, you'll find that you now have someone going out to bob a bank.
Meh, this is where you tell it to search for capital-R lowercase-o lowercase-b space/period/comma/semicolon. Four searches (changing the last character each time) will cover them all.
Guess what I used to do for a living?
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Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Brenda Clough: I also find Russian novels, with all the characters so similarly named, confusing: Natasha, Natalya, etc.
Hehe, Cien años de soledad, where everyone is called Arcadio or Aureliano
Oh, HELL yes. I wrote a paper on that book,and God was it ever hard keeping track of people.
(Wonderful book, though!)
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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Lamb Chopped: Meh, this is where you tell it to search for capital-R lowercase-o lowercase-b space/period/comma/semicolon. Four searches (changing the last character each time) will cover them all.
Rob!
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Fineline
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I am up to 48,675 words. I'm going to get to 50,000 very easily and this will be the first time I've ever 'completed' NaNoWriMo. I put 'completed' in quotation marks because, although I could make the story end at that point, I don't want to. It wants to be longer. There is more to write - more needs to happen for me to reach a satisfactory conclusion. I'm not sure how that works though - not sure what the NaNoWriMo rules are. If it goes on for longer and I'm still writing it in December, does that mean I didn't finish NaNoWriMo, or would the fact that I reached 50,000 words mean I finished it?
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Meh, this is where you tell it to search for capital-R lowercase-o lowercase-b space/period/comma/semicolon. Four searches (changing the last character each time) will cover them all.
Guess what I used to do for a living?
"Rob banks?" asked LC incredulously. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
thus things like "discombobulated" becomes "discomrobulated."
I have a colleague named Rob, who has a habit of coming out with somewhat surprising sayings. We describe the effect he has on people as "being discomrobulated". He has, on occasion, also been known to cause significant Roblems.
These "jokes" wouldn't work so well if he was called Martin.
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cattyish
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I've bashed out about 5,000 words today partly due to sitting down in my lovely cousin's flat to do 1,000 words this morning and partly because the Edinburgh NaNoWriMo write-in says, "Shhh" at me when I get talkative. This is excellent help for someone like me.
I am now relaxing with the intention of winning steadily over the next two days. I will then shelve this terrible writing for a good long time because like anything I cook up it tends to be better after sitting in the freezer for a while.
Cattyish, I have meatballs in the freezer.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by Fineline:
I am up to 48,675 words. I'm going to get to 50,000 very easily and this will be the first time I've ever 'completed' NaNoWriMo. I put 'completed' in quotation marks because, although I could make the story end at that point, I don't want to. It wants to be longer. There is more to write - more needs to happen for me to reach a satisfactory conclusion. I'm not sure how that works though - not sure what the NaNoWriMo rules are. If it goes on for longer and I'm still writing it in December, does that mean I didn't finish NaNoWriMo, or would the fact that I reached 50,000 words mean I finished it?
Congratulations I think you win if you reach 50,000 regardless of what happens afterwards.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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50K is definitely a win no matter how much of the final manuscript it represents.
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Books and things.
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Brenda Clough
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I am at 56K. All the characters are lying prone, sobbing in misery, as ashes rain down on them and the fields are sown with salt. Misery reigns supreme! I figure another 40K will get us back up out of the hole to the ending.
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LeRoc
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(I say leave them there ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) )
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Fineline
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Thanks, Doublethink and Trudy Scrumptious. I have now gone past the 50,000 mark, so I guess I've finished NaNoWriMo, but not finished the novel yet.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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I've also passed the 50K mark now but am also quite close to the end of this draft so am pressing on for now.
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Books and things.
I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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cattyish
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I'm getting closer, but the eking out of plot is so thin that it would put a thrifty post-war housewife's use of butter to shame.
Cattyish, comtemplating a break to allow some new ideas to percolate.
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Brenda Clough
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When you run out of plot:
- select two random characters and shove them into bed together. (A friend of mine, who was writing Ethnic Epics, did this. Looong trilogies about The Sicilians Or The Hugenots or whatever, and he had to work to fill the pages.)
- See this. They have vastly expanded the coding for Medicare and Medicaid injuries. This is inspiration, raw and on the hoof. Just select one, at random, and sock it onto your characters: bitten by dormouse, left side, secondary visit. Fall from hot-air balloon. Crushing injury, ball-peen hammer. Entire novels lurk here.
- Pour yourself a glass of wine, sit back, and ponder: what is the worst possible thing that could happen to these characters? Yes, do that. It never does a writer any harm, to have a good wide streak of sadism in her. They need to suffer. Make them feel pain.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by cattyish:
I'm getting closer, but the eking out of plot is so thin that it would put a thrifty post-war housewife's use of butter to shame.
Cattyish, comtemplating a break to allow some new ideas to percolate.
Yeah, there's this thing I guess I will call a "hook"-- A sustained train of thought? I guess you can call it-- happens with both my writing and my painting. I will write out something that feels contained and seamless, and then I will hit a seam-- that is, I know I have lost the"hook", and I need to wait till I see what the"hook" is before I proceed.
When I write essays, the "hook" allows me to put together the outline and makes writing a lot easier.
With my paintings, it's "I know something will go in that space, but I don't know what it is yet."
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Well, I've finished NaNo in the sense of having accomplished my goals -- wrote over 50K in November (about 55K) and also got the rough draft of the entire story (about 107K) more or less complete. There's an awful lot of work still to be done on it, but the beginning, middle and end is all there, and that's what I wanted to achieve this month. Congrats to everyone who finished and also to anyone who wrote more than they would have written otherwise, because that's still a success according to me!
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I lied. There are no things. Just books.
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Brenda Clough
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I am at 60K. Perhaps 30 or 40 more to go.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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And with that Mama NaNoCat yawns, stretches and wanders off.
May all the mewling kittens littered during this month grow big and sleek, forever laying the dead mouse of royalties on the carpet of ambition.
Firenze
Heaven Host
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