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comet
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coming in last is still finishing, Jenn. as opposed to the majority of the world, who wouldn't even consider such a thing. so go, you!
I've been active, just not checking in here, regularly.
you know how some days your workout feels like bliss, and others just suckitysucksucksuck? that's me.
Yesterday, the sun was out, the wind was low, all was generally right with the world. So I loaded up the pooch and took him out to my favorite out-of-town stretch of beach and did my run/walk thing, combining sand and road stretches (still winter, still more walk than run, but I'll take advantage of the dry sand and pavement!) and it was BLISS. 4+ miles, deep breaths, salty air, bird song, sea lions just out of reach (thankfully, cause HELLO!) and I even sang along with the ipod during the walk parts, embarrassing the dog and not caring. Total superhero status. felt like a million bucks.
Today? my 4 minute morning Tabata was a colossal effort. I took 30 minutes to recover. then splitting and hauling 16 pieces of wood (4 rounds) - something I do almost daily, damn near took the stuffins out of me. I'm ready for a nap, and I haven't even gone to work yet. ack!
here's hoping tomorrow will be back to superhero status.
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last year I rarely missed a session at the gym which consisted of one and a half hours 3 times per week.
Skived off many times over the Christmas period and gained 6 kg.Making a big effort now before resorting to my old jeans of a larger waist size.
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I started back in earnest at the pool recently. Last Wednesday I was hauled out by fellow swimmers and lifeguards when both my calves locked up in the biggest cramps they (the rescuers) had ever seen, and I had ever felt. I had tensed up as I went to pass someone in my lane, and the legs locked as I came off the wall in a tumble-turn. It was towards the end of a long set and I guess I was severely under-hydrated,
As it happened one of those pulling me out was a parishioner. I think he was probably quite surprised by my command of the English language.
Six days later my calves are still sore. I returned to the pool yesterday and today, but in genuine fear, and basically swimming only with my upper body, very tentative, very frightened. It'll be a long time before I forget that pain.
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Zappa, I hope the calves are recovering. That sounds really horrible. Take it easy!
I ran for 30 mins today - personal record. 4km, and I'm pretty happy with that. It's park run on saturday and a friend is going to run with me to try to stop me going out hard and then stopping. I'm hoping to get round in 40 minutes. I may not be able to walk on sunday.
Really please with myself though, I wasn't expecting to mange that distance or time today ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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good luck tomorrow, let's hope it's not raining. Do some stretches afterwards to help stop yourself stiffening up and you should be ok on Sunday. Hope you manage to run the whole way, it will be a good feeling.
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Still swimming for an hour twice a week and feeling the benefits! On Wednesday I went out for a run for the first time in ages and am still quite stiff/sore today, but it was amazing! I ran about 6 km in about 55 minutes, and at times I forgot I was running, as I lost myself in my music! I felt like I was flying/going really fast (at least for me) at times too! Going to go out again on Sunday, maybe in the forest rather than tarmac/pavement!
Jenn, I'm mightily impressed at your 4 km in 30 mins, and good luck for the park run!
Eeep, Zappa, hope you can get back in the water with confidence soon, and you never get cramps like that again.
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Having not run last week due to a cold, we pitched up this morning and skated around our 5k very gingerly.
Despite taking it easy - several runners fell - I still clocked a sub-32m time and felt like I had plenty left in the tank. Hopefully it'll have warmed up a bit next week and I can crank it up...
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Unfortunately the weekend did not go to plan. I woke up with a migraine on saturday which took all day to shift properly. I had to work all day today (at least all daylight hours). Might try tomorrow after work, but might have to wait until wednesday now before daylight and free time happen together.
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Did my 11/2 hr stint at the gym this morn.
Not easy the Monday shift, could not adjust the
shower to run cold at the end.
Does not feel right finishing a shower on 'warm'.
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30:38
Not ideal conditions, but I feel I should have done better. The assault on Mount Thirtyminutes continues next week...
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should have been a big workout today as I was due to run the Wokingham half marathon but they cancelled it on Friday due to flooding on the course; some sections under 9 inches of water apparently.
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Moonlitdoor, that must be absolutely gutting after all that preparation.
We lost our parkrun as well (we splashed merrily around the course last week and I don't think it could have got much worse, but apparently the car park was flooded! alas, the dependence on the infernal combustion engine) but at least there will be another parkrun next week - I hope - or maybe a parkswim
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For indoor exercise, try "dands", also known as "Hindu pushups", "kinky pressups", and so on. A "dand" is actually three Yoga asanas run together, and it's a full-body workout in itself. Lay out your exercise mat and start in the "downward dog" position, butt in the air with arms extended. Dive down into the "plank" position and keep going. End by arching your spine at craning your head back in the "upward dog" position. Be careful, because some books say this is dangerous, and it may be for some people. Then bridge up into "downward dog" again, working your stomach muscles.
Keep warm while doing this, to avoid pulled tendons and suchlike. You'll easily find "dand" videos on YouTube. After that you can go on to "baithaks", which are Hindu squat-jumps.
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After about an eight year hiatus to take care of career, family and moving across countries and continents, I've finally gone back to practicing martial arts. Dang, I really missed that stuff... It's a bit like learning to dance, but with speed, power and intent. On one hand fascinating applications of biomechanics and psychophysics, on the other hand just sweat and aching muscles and leaving it all in the gym. On one hand pure poetry in motion if you see the fluid body control of a well-executed form, on the other hand the brutal honesty of sparring if you want to find out if you can bring it. What I really love about it is that it is always meaningful. Even if you are apparently mindlessly drilling a move, it's not just to burn calories or exercise the muscle or get an exercise high. It's like finger exercises in playing a music instrument, you are constantly building up muscle memory and coordination towards a purpose. And when you see it come together, it can be like magic.
Anyway, just saw this thread and thought I should share my excitement about getting active again. And if anybody has a question about getting into martial arts, I'm happy to help out as far as I can (here or by PM). I've tried about a dozen arts, dabbled in about half a dozen and managed to not suck at two - and those two were on rather opposite ends of the spectrum: WingTsun (mostly hardcore self-defence) and Chen Taijiquan (mostly about ... well, that would require a lecture, but not about self-defence usually).
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hey, good timing! Jujitsu is the only one taught here. it looks like I'd spend a lot of time falling and getting bruised, so I'm nervous about signing up. (yes, I'm a sissy. I don't like pain) are my initial impressions fair? should I give it a chance?
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IngoB
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Originally posted by comet:
hey, good timing! Jujitsu is the only one taught here. it looks like I'd spend a lot of time falling and getting bruised, so I'm nervous about signing up. (yes, I'm a sissy. I don't like pain) are my initial impressions fair? should I give it a chance?
JJ is basically a catch-all term describing an entire class of Japanese MAs. It's difficult to say just what you would get to train without some further detail (what kind of JJ). If you give me a name or a website, maybe I can say more. Unless you live in a very small place, it's also rather unlikely that there is only JJ on offer. But I guess Alaska has plenty of very small places...
Generally speaking, falling on (tatami) mats may look (and sound, if the technique requires "slapping" the ground as in Judo) spectacular to somebody who has not trained it. But it is not generally a very dangerous part of MA, and not usually painful either. In fact it is quite possibly the best example of how MA technique can make a direct and positive difference to one's regular life. Practically all martial artists who have learned how to fall have some story to tell how they avoided pain and injury in real life by applying their falling. In my experience (mostly from Judo), injuries occur more during "randori", basically the equivalent to full-contact sparring in the throwing arts; and then mostly in the preparation phase as you are trying to fight through the defences of your training partner, not in the falling as such. But in most places you would get nowhere near randori for quite a while. And when you do get to randori you would be mostly facing your peers, who probably are as worried as you are. Beginner randori can look like really awkward pair dancing... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
As for bruising from striking, some JJ styles have next to no striking, some have a lot. Few JJ styles I have seen are heavily invested in full contact sparring though. Most striking would be in a controlled "technique training" mode, which generally means that you either do not get hit at all (the punch is stopped before impact) or at most lightly tapped. Most bruises in striking training instead tends to come from the defence in partner exercises. Either because you are "blocking" some strike (usually using the forearm / lower leg to move the partner's limb out of its path) or because you are "stopping" it (slapping or kicking the incoming limb to stop it). So if there are lots of partner exercises in striking, then I would expect some bruising primarily to the lower limbs.
However, even if your local JJ does a lot of striking exercises with partners, again typically that would be slowly built up for beginners. You'll hardly go home black and blue from the first lesson. (And if so, then it's probably a place to avoid.) After a year of training you might find that you get annoyed with other people "not making contact"...
I would say, just go and try it. Every MA place should offer at least one trial lesson that is provided for free (or at least cheap) and without further commitment. If they don't, leave. Look not so much at what the head instructor can do, but at what the senior students are practicing and how they are moving. Good teachers of MA are rarer than good fighters, and the senior students show you where you can get to with this teacher in a reasonable amount of time. Also, trust you sense of aesthetics. Everybody can spout some nonsense about ripping out throats and whatnot. But you can see speed, coordination, flow, power, balance, posture ... grace in motion. Even if the body harmony is aggressive, it doesn't mean that you cannot see it. Just like you can see what is good in gymnastics, and what is not so good, even if you cannot do the moves yourself. Just make allowance for the fact that many martial artists in the West are, or used to be, the "nerds" and sports "losers", and "grace in motion" can mean for them that they have learned to move surprisingly normally now. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
And while Bruce Lee is no demigod of mine, these comments on abilities and training are indeed worth taking on board.
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And if anybody has a question about getting into martial arts, I'm happy to help out as far as I can (here or by PM). I've tried about a dozen arts...
I've been watching videos of Karate Kata from Youtube, and I'm fascinated. But can you explain the idea behind these exercises?
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I've been watching videos of Karate Kata from Youtube, and I'm fascinated. But can you explain the idea behind these exercises?
Well, I cannot explain the content of specific Katas themselves other than to the extent that they can be "read" by an outsider, since I have never trained Karate. But most of the martial arts I have trained had forms, and often had a considerable emphasis on running forms, so I can say something about the general purpose of such exercises.
First, in times before videos and photographs and widespread literacy, they served as a means of transmitting information down through the generations in an easily memorisable form. Imagine you have fifty moves that you would like to preserve for posterity. Can you trust your lazy students to remember them all, and pass them on complete and uncorrupted as individual exercises to the following generations? But if you now instead compile the same fifty moves into one continuous flow of movements, then people will remember them all much more easily because gaps in memory will become obvious as stutter in the motions, and the previous technique will jolt the memory of the next. Similarly, you probably know the Lord's Prayer by heart, but if I instead made you learn the same words as a jumbled list you would find that much harder. The context of the sentence and the flow of meaning makes you remember.
Second, since in forms techniques are being integrated in a motion flow, you do not just learn the technique, but also transitions. Both in the sense of being able to move from one technique to the next and in the sense of literally moving your body to somewhere else to deliver the next technique. If you see a Western boxer training to throw "combinations", then you see the same idea, just chopped into smaller pieces.
Third, since forms are as such solo exercises, and attack thin air, they can be used to work on body structure, flexibility, and other attributes. It tends to be quite difficult to do this with a partner, since you are then always negotiating body position and timing with that partner. For example, perhaps you want to run your form low, to work your leg strength. Well, in a partner exercise your partner would have to go low with you. Or perhaps you want to go really slow on something in your form, to get the body posture and motion just right. In a partner exercises you would have to ask your partner for patience. Etc. Furthermore, since you are working your techniques into thin air, you cannot rely on the target to provide you with balance and poise, but have to appropriately stop your technique. A typical haymaker strike may be great if it hits, but if it doesn't, then you tend to stumble about as you try to regain balance. You have overcommitted, and has no place in martial arts because it will be used against you by people with skill. Running a form is like constantly missing an opponent with your attacks (shit happens...) but being constantly in the position to launch the next one. It forces you to limit your attacks to stuff you can pull off without overcommitting. So-called "shadow boxing" would be something similar that you can find in Western boxing.
Fourth, a form can be run by a single person, or many in parallel, and the experienced eye can pick out many problems in what a person is doing with their body from that. So it's a great tool for teachers, who can basically let your run the form to check your progress. Also it is a good thing for beginners to learn. Learning to fight can be really scary, in particular if you train with a bad partner. But running a form is not particularly scary. You are merely fighting yourself, trying to overcome your limitations in mind and body that stop you from copying what you see other people doing. That is a nice, non-threatening goal with a big, fat sense of achievement waiting for you if you finally get it right (and a lot of smaller triumphs along the way as you get parts right).
Fifth, like all things people do a lot, forms acquire value as forms for forms' sake. It is in fact something you can dedicate your life to, to run the perfect form. It is endless, there is always something that can be done just a little bit better. It has so many aspects... maybe this time you forgot to look to your right hand to indicate your intent. Dang. Try again. This time your breathing was not perfectly timed with the elbow strike. Dang. Try again. This time your foot was slightly off-center when you turned. Dang. Try again. This time your power got stuck and your kick was not snappy. Dang. Try again. That might sound incredibly boring, but it can become totally absorbing as you try to integrate endless training into that one perfect moment where everything is just right. Except it is not a moment, but usually a few minutes. A few minutes of perfection, with your mind and body flowing seamlessly, and you are doing it. And then of course somebody might watch that (on YouTube) and say "wow". That brings its own satisfaction, if perhaps a bit more base one.
Like anything, forms can be overemphasised. They can ossify a martial art, and sadly often the original fighting meaning of moves becomes obscure even as the form continues to be remembered. Some people think that forms are useless and are almost anathema to a "real fighter". And then, if they are really serious about their fighting skills, you will see them shadowbox combinations in a corner... I think they are great fun. Great fun to learn, great fun to do. And they have their uses, even if your only goal is fighting people. Furthermore, what will you show your granny if she asks you what this martial arts stuff you are doing is all about? Will you beat up your grandpa? Will you smash a table with your bare hands? I would recommend running a form. She will like that. Most people do. It's great advertising.
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I'm still trying to get back into running, having fallen out of the habit last summer. I used to go out three times a week, almost without fail. Now I'm at least trying to make sure I get out once, but it does mean progress is very slow. Tomorrow morning, though, I will be out, running. Honest...
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This week I've swum 140 lengths of the local pool. That works out at 3.5km. Which isn't bad. I had planned to go for a run on Wednesday, but the weather somewhat mitigated against that...
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30:10
Seriously, what do I have to do to break 30 mins?
When you find out, perhaps you could let me know?
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
30:10
Seriously, what do I have to do to break 30 mins?
When you find out, perhaps you could let me know?
I ran a perfectly decent race. I didn't exactly sprint up the hills, but I ran up them. I even managed to overtake someone on the final sprint while simultaneously holding another off*.
And still ten seconds over. Arse.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
30:10
Seriously, what do I have to do to break 30 mins?
Stop beating yourself up about it. Best effort is best effort.
(says he who hasn't done more than 3k in ......)
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The easiest way would be to go as a visitor one week to a flat course, which would make more than 10 seconds difference.
Failing that, find someone from the results who normally runs between 29.30 and 30 minutes and get next to them at the start, then track them in the run.
You're right in my opinion not to sprint up the hills, that's a great way to train but a waste of energy in a race. But if you do training runs, try to get used to running at a faster pace over short distances as I recommended earlier, eg 2 minutes at a time with a minute's rest between each. Not a full on sprint, you have to be able to keep up the same pace for each of the 2 minute repetitions. After a while you will become more comfortable sustaining an improved pace in the race.
I am waiting to hear if I am in Berkhamsted half marathon next Sunday.
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In reply to Doc Tor:
I'm just going through a rough patch at the moment, and I'm a bit sore about my times. I have grounds for expecting an improvement (ever the optimist). At my age (threescore and ten, and on borrowed time) I should be quite pleased I can run at all.
Just takes time. Improvements come gradually. Try (carefully) Interval Training.
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This evening my gym is going to tell me my 'Bio Age'.
...suddenly I'm in two minds about whether I want to find out its relationship to what my birth certificate tells me.
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Could turn out you're weeks younger.
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Today I went to the physio who gave me an exercise plan. It looks achievable, but then walking out the door can be a challenge some days. All credit to her though - some bits can be done easily at home.
Will be popping in to report progress (or otherwise).
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Did the Berkhamsted half marathon this morning, to replace the one I was supposed to do a few weeks which got cancelled by flooding. Lucky with the weather, cloudy but dry and not too windy. Glad not to be doing it in the rain that is lashing down right now.
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Did the Berkhamsted half marathon this morning, ....
Must be a relief to get that done!
so, what's the next move? both halves next time?
....(and, er, time? Do tell, even though it might depress the rest of us!)
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no I don't think I could do a full marathon as I am very injury prone so the chances of doing enough miles in training are slim.
I did a bit under 1.26 for the half marathon, which was good for me. I hope I had not given the impression that I was any higher standard than that.
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Half-marathons...aaarrrgghhh! Can't imagine it - but my 71 yr old dad has entered one next month.
My C-to-5k program has reached the end; I started in Dec after not running for >25 years. I've mapped out my 5k around park and streets on the walkjogrun site, so it may be a bit off. First three were 32:22, 30:45, then something unknown as I knocked watch, getting cagoule off while running. Today, 29:35! But I'll have to do it 'properly' somewhere now for confirmation...
Good luck to all -
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Half-marathons...aaarrrgghhh! Can't imagine it - but my 71 yr old dad has entered one next month.
My C-to-5k program has reached the end; I started in Dec after not running for >25 years. I've mapped out my 5k around park and streets on the walkjogrun site, so it may be a bit off. First three were 32:22, 30:45, then something unknown as I knocked watch, getting cagoule off while running. Today, 29:35! But I'll have to do it 'properly' somewhere now for confirmation...
Good luck to all -
Mark
That's good going. There's bound to be a parkrun in your area - you'll be good to go on Saturday morning if you sign up now!
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Clocked a time of 30.45 yesterday without even trying (hadn't run for two weeks so took it easy).
It now appears that I'm running a 10k in two week's time. Arse.
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oh lord - no way I could get round twice. 29:29 today - but really at my limit. Still not dared to get timed properly!
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mark_in_manchester
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28:08!
Now weather is a bit warmer, I went through my wardrobe to find something through which my inefficient body can more effectively disperse the enormous quantities of waste heat it generates during exercise. Track suit is just too thick.
I found a T shirt and swimming shorts which were decent enough, and in the kind of earthy tones favoured by a conservative dresser in his mid 40s.
The family have christened me 'the brown streak'. Hmm.
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(so good, I wanted to see it after my posts and not only after those of shipmate JBohn from whom I stole it)
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Scots lass
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I have decided exercise makes me much happier. I've had a very poor attendance over the last few months at my kickboxing class and am determined to do better. I've made it twice this week! Hopefully I can keep that up for the next few weeks then think about bringing it up to two hours training instead of one for one of those sessions. Right now I'd fail my green belt grading if I did it again (1hr30mins continuous), so I can't even think about trying for orange (2hrs, extra techniques) but I really want to get back to my grading fitness. It should have the added bonus of kicking off the weight I put on when I wasn't training regularly, plus it really does make me feel better about the world. I think it's the combination of endorphins and clearing my mind by an hour of focusing entirely on the physical exercise .
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Doc Tor
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I did a 10k training run last Sunday, in preparation for this Sunday's 'race'. Got round in 1:10, which wasn't bad, but due to living on a hill, the first part of the run is always going to be downhill, and the last part home uphill.
First 8k absolutely fine, last 2k I died horribly. Legs went completely about 200m from home. Still. Did the distance, decent enough time.
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blackbeard
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Well, it's been a bleak few weeks for me, fitness wise. Slow, and I have missed a few parkruns through feeling too unfit even to contemplate running. Maybe a combination of hitting the gym a bit too hard, and a vaguely defined lurgy, and a possible case of SPOD.
Today was a bit better though, giving the possibility of getting back to normal, and a parkrun time of a bit less disastrous. This despite a hiatus in anything that could be called training. We shall see how things go ...
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Boogie
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I am unfit, I always have been.
I walk for an hour a day (five days a week) and swim for half an hour a day(four days a week)three of these overlap and I do both.
But I remain steadfastly unfit. My pace is slow and my muscles are weak.
So, my dear Shipmates, what do you think of my idea of employing a personal trainer to see where I'm going wrong and get me moving?
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Doc Tor
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Possibly. It sounds like you're doing a decent amount of exercise - but you still feel feeble?
I would be tempted to get checked out by a doctor first, before increasing your regime - talk about your diet as well, as some of us ( ![[Cool]](cool.gif) ) eat more because we're doing more.
Do things less gently that you've been doing. If you cover x distance in y minutes, start by shaving the seconds off. Swimming is excellent exercise (especially for those of an older persuasion...), but do the same thing: do it for longer, do it faster.
And good luck!
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Lamb Chopped
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Doctor first--there could be some ridiculous little thing like a vitamin deficiency that could be causing the problem, and that no amount of hard work will fix without treatement. Says the idiot who recently discovered a massive vitamin D deficiency. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) )
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blackbeard
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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
.....But I remain steadfastly unfit. My pace is slow and my muscles are weak.
So, my dear Shipmates, what do you think of my idea of employing a personal trainer to see where I'm going wrong and get me moving?
As already posted; seeing a doctor is a good idea. Some would say (and are probably right) that any exercise programme (or serious increase in exercise) in anybody should be preceded by medical advice.
Personal trainer: never had one so can't really comment. But I doubt it's going to solve your problem, since you are already active and motivated, and probably doing the right things anyway.
I wonder if you really have a problem? it's easy to imagine that others are stronger/fitter/faster than you are but it might not be true. I would guess that roughly half the population of our sceptred isle would be less than happy at the thought of an hour's walk, and wouldn't be able to swim more than a short distance (if at all).
And these greyhounds who do parkruns ... of course they are faster, because they run in training, and the body adapts to what it does most of.
(but see a doctor anyway)
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Doc Tor
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Just done the Sport Relief 6 miler: came home in 1:12, including the same bastard hill six times.
Am now hungry and tired. Might go for a second lunch shortly...
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Boogie
Boogie on down!
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Well done Doc Tor - enjoy the well earned meal and rest!
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Doctor first--there could be some ridiculous little thing like a vitamin deficiency that could be causing the problem, and that no amount of hard work will fix without treatment. Says the idiot who recently discovered a massive vitamin D deficiency.
Thanks, I will - but I doubt it.
My diet is good and healthy.
I think my problem is psychological/neurological.
As soon as I get uncomfortable (out of breath, sweaty, hot etc) my brain sends very strong ///STOP! THIS IS WRONG/// signals which I find impossible to override.
I think it's connected to the ADHD. I am super sensitive to temperature, light, noise, touch (labels etc feel like sandpaper) and emotions. So as soon as my body feels uncomfortable - I stop or slow down. Thus the walks and swims are pleasant and sometimes quite fast. But never vigorous enough to build any stamina or strength of heart, lungs or muscle!
Whether a personal trainer could help with this or not I am not sure.
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quetzalcoatl
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Boogie
Have you thought of ME? I have known a lot of people with this, who have a multitude of symptoms, some of them quite mysterious, such as great tiredness, feeling upset, and so on.
Of course, there are conflicting ideas about ME - psychological and physiological. But I have seen people improve via psychological improvement.
Some GPs and psychiatrists recommend a physical training regime, but I've known people who felt much worse under it.
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Curiosity killed ...
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<tangent>CFS/ME is a huge can of worms* and, to be honest, is less likely than something like an iron deficiency which can cause symptoms of exhaustion or a underactive thyroid.
* lots of research showing viral origins and organic changes, including mitochondrial and vascular damage, disputes about diagnostic criteria, confusion over which criteria are being used for diagnosis in which research papers, so comparisons of the research isn't often like with like (Fulcher & White (1977) being a case in point).
All the early research in this country was psycho-social, more recent is biological. Kerr and Gow, early biological researchers, checking for biological markers, re-diagnosed the people they were sent from hospital departments using the research standard diagnostic (Canadian) criteria and reckoned a third were misdiagnosed other medical problems, including pernicious anaemia and thyroid problems, a third were what they recognised as CFS/ME and a third were something they couldn't identify.
Someone I knew, knew because she died recently, had a genetic mitochondrial disease masquerading as CFS/ME. </tangent>
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IngoB
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FWIW, I thought "perhaps that's an iron deficiency" when I read Boogie's problems. My wife had that for a while after an infection, until it was detected by a blood test, and it basically made serious physical exertion impossible for her (as well as making life harder generally). It's easy to check though, and easy to fix (or at least easy to counteract, with iron supplements). In her case, things normalised after a while.
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