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moonlitdoor
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How did you get on Jenn ? Once you get used to running the distance without stopping, you'll beat your 35 minute time, as running at a steady pace is the most efficient. The group at work I run with sometimes do a circuit with a mixture of fast running and jogging. It's a good form of training but it takes quite a bit longer to get round the circuit than when we just run at a steady pace.
I am just getting back into running the last few weeks after 3 months injury. Today managed to get under 20 minutes for the first time since returning, but I think I could have wrung a glass full of water out of my shirt at the end.
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My first ever Parkrun time was 37:43 (18 months ago). Today I ran a PB of 28:18. A bit of application and your target is reachable. Good luck!
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We do pad work. But I have just found a sparring partner! He's going to come once a week. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
You are going to spar once a week with a guy? Impressive, and a little scary. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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36.23 this week - pretty pleased with that. Might go again next week!
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So for some reason, I've decided to start climbing again (I used to climb indoors regularly - but it was five years ago). I went bouldering last night (short route that don't need a rope - as I'm out of practice).
Today I keep discovering muscles that I didn't know existed till they hurt!
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So for some reason, I've decided to start climbing again ....
I used to do quite a lot of climbing but it was about half a century ago! and chiefly outdoors (ie on mountains and sea cliffs). No plans to start doing it again (and the head for heights has gone AWOL) although I'm still into mountain walking. Anyway, well done you, I expect the muscles will settle down in due course.
I have to admit that my plans to regain a reasonable degree of fitness, and to start parkrunning again and maybe the occasional half marathon, have come to a juddering halt. Partly too much time messing around in boats, partly Christmas, even more due to acute laziness, but mostly Achilles tendonitis which is taking a while to settle down. Here's hoping that I can get back into a reasonable degree of activity - I have some Christmas putting-on of weight to sort out.
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I'll only be indoor climbing for quite a while (especially since you need more stuff for outdoors, plus it helps to be able to drive to get to climbing places).
I have an aversion to running, so I tend to do things like swimming and climbing on the rare occasions i try to keep fit.
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Today I walked the first half of my long walk. No painkillers needed before-hand and only a steadying use of the walking stick. I think I could have walked home again too, but decided that might be pushing it a bit, so got a taxi home checking the mileage which was 2.6.
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Today I walked the first half of my long walk. No painkillers needed before-hand and only a steadying use of the walking stick. I think I could have walked home again too, but decided that might be pushing it a bit, so got a taxi home checking the mileage which was 2.6.
That's marvellous!
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My Parkrunning seems to have stepped up a gear. I'm still the bloke who dies on the line, but I managed 27.58 on Christmas Day, before all the pies and cake and cheese. My fastest was a flatter Parkrun two weeks previously, which I knocked off in 27.17.
I did 28.04 on Saturday, and more importantly, was less than 45s slower than my daughter... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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I was given a voucher for free Jazzercise classes during January. Did the first tonight. I was mostly walking through it trying to pick up the moves, but I still feel I've had a good stretch.
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Since the 20km I have done pretty much nothing. My knee was getting kind of sore by the end so I decided to take a bit of a break, which has turned into rather a lot of a break ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) . I need to get back into it properly but it’s Too Cold at the minute. For the muscles I don’t mind so much, but I really dislike breathing in the cold air.
Also my best workout plan involves leaving all my stuff at the office the night before, running into work and taking a shower on arrival. In the winter this gets impracticable because I would have to leave a coat and everything (for going home in the evening). I guess I shall be a lazy lump until about March… I really should get back to it though. I wasn’t aiming at the clock when I ran the 20km but now I’m kind of bummed that I got so close to 2 hours but not under it.
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I have signed up to do two walks - a 10k in May and (gulp) a marathon in June.
The 10k should be easy enough; I walked to the optician today, which was 6km, but a marathon..... much training needed.
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Inspired by the runners on this thread, I decided to take the plunge and start running myself. Someone told me about the 'Couch to 5k' programme... the first few weeks looked too easy (since I'm not actually starting from a couch), so I tried out Week 4 just to see if I was up to it and discovered I could do it.
I'm not running very fast yet... just a gentle jog, but it's a start. I plan to work through the Couch to 5k programme until I can run for 30 minutes without stopping and then start building up my speed.
Who knows, I may even venture to a Park Run one of these days...
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I'm on week 3 of Couch to 5k now - final run of it tomorrow morning, then on to week 4... Somehow it feels like a huge achievement that I've managed to fit in running a few times a week again, even though it's exactly what I did a few years ago and nothing much has changed!
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Good for you, Beethoven. I am moving on to Week 5 next week, with the big scary buildup to running for (gasp) twenty minutes nonstop. I will let you know how I get on! Though if I find I'm on my knees after eight minutes I may go back to Week 4 for another week. There's no rush, and I don't want to injure myself and have to start all over again after several months recuperating.
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I've taken a bit of a break from running one Christmas and am struggling to get back. I'm debating signing up for 10k to get my motivation back. I'm redoing the c25k but also running there and back (1.7k each way). We'll see how this goes. My problem at the moment is the non stop running -I can go for ages with regular 2 main walks. Will this improve with practice?
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Will this improve with practice?
Yes. I used to walk (especially towards the top of the hills, of which we have many). Now I don't. It does help if you don't run at your usual running speed, but a bit behind it. You'll have more in the tank, but a lot of it (at least for me) is psychological. Once you know you don't have to walk, you can keep running.
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Do you need to walk because you get out of breath or because your legs get tired ?
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Think its my breathing, but not sure. It's probably mostly my head! Its hills that do it.
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I've just started a new programme. I was spending too much time at the gym, up to ten hours a week. I was over training. I'm doing shorter (30-40mins) but more intense workouts five times a week. The programme lasts twelve weeks altogether. Let's hope I can keep it up. I like the ideology, that if you want an athelete's physique you have to train like an athelete. So, summer six-pack here I come. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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My advice Jenn, for what it's worth, is to try to maintain a constant level of effort. So what that means in terms of going up hills is that you slow down to the extent that you are still expending the same amount of effort as you are on the flat.
If that means a slow jog or even walk to start with, so be it. As your fitness improves your uphill pace will gradually improve.
What you don't want to do is try to run up hill at the same speed you run on the flat, and then have to stop and walk at the top of the hill. That's more like interval training, which is a good way to improve fitness but you need to be able to run continuously for about 40 minutes fairly comfortably before there's any point in thinking about intervals.
ps I am not a qualified coach but reasonable runner parkrun best 18.42
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parkrun best 18.42
That is quite unreasonable. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Faster than most of our course records, in fact... (fastest I've ever done is 27.18)
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Hi, all.
My yoga is going great, weight training comes and goes (really need to set a schedule rather than just maintaining and screwing around), but I just can't seem to get the running off the ground again.
I'm the queen of excuses when it comes to outside running- too cold, too icy, too dark, too many bears. So I bought a second-hand treadmill thinking I could still get the runs in even when the weather is frightful. I've used big fancy gym treadmills before and they're boring, but okay. This one is... eh. Boring, but also the tread part seems short; I don't feel I can get a decent gait without risking a wipeout. And... Really effing boring.
So I'm open to suggestions from people who run in all sorts of crappy conditions. How do you talk yourself into it? I think I really need the outdoor time, the treadmill kind of sucks. But it's just so EASY to skip out on the outdoor run, every day brings a new excuse.
Ideas?
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Doc Tor
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Get up. Go out. Leave your running kit out and hide your day clothes. Once you've got one leg in the running tights, you've already made the decision to run. Don't even stop for the first mug of tea/coffee. Have a bottle of water by your bed, drink it as you get togged up. Then just go.
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Jenn.
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Was just getting back to 5k and fell down a single step. Badly damaged foot. No running for weeks :-( there goes my plans of a 10k at Easter.
Comet - could you join a group? I'm not the most social of runners but I did mean that there were set times when people were expecting me and a programme we were following. It got my motivation going a bit. I'm competitive and I wanted to beat them at the 5k
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Wheat (sometimes) works for me is just giving myself permission to not want to go. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to not go running, but I'm allowed to be reluctant. So I can put my running gear on, while grumbling 'I don't want to do this', tie my shoes moaning 'It's too cold/dark, I'm too tired', and even start my warm-up while thinking of all the things I'd rather be doing. But as long as I still get out there, it's ok. Admittedly the conditions here are somewhat less unfriendly than in the wilds of Alaska, but this has kept me running through frost, icy roads, windy weather... And on Sunday, I actually enjoyed part of my run!
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After writing the above post I've done some thinking. I'm not going to guilt myself for not running in the winter. When I run, it's because I love to run. I don't love to run when it's icy and stormy. So, fine. I'm a fair weather runner.
I am doing fine with yoga and weights and walking everywhere. I don't need to do it all all the time. That just gives me constant guilt for not being perfect.
So. Running will resume when the roads dry out. Meahwhile, I'll be proud of myself for what I do over the winter. It's not like I'm in bad shape this year.
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Excellent decision, ma'am.
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WW's right - what's the point of running to get fit if you slip on a Patch of Treachery™ and break a leg?
There's an indoor running/walking track at the University's PE department here, which is open to the public for a small entry fee, and you can run or walk (there are lanes designated for each) at your own pace without fear of winter-related injuries - do you have anything like that in Cometland?
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Phew!
I've just finished my kettlebell workout - we have started to put moves together now. Swing/clean/press etc.
Just like this lady, except that I get short breaks between sets and I don't have a tattoo ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jengie jon
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OK
A question for people here, does anyone know any decent books about getting fit for a person who is a relative novice. I am not wanting to become an expert but to know enough to understand what the guys at the gym are doing when they change my routine.
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Jane R
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You probably don't need a book if that's all you want to know. My aerobics teacher told me that you use less energy to complete a workout once you've got used to doing it - so you need to change your routine regularly, about every six weeks or so, to maintain your activity level, and if your fitness is improving you also need to move to a more challenging routine.
It stops you from getting bored with doing the same thing all the time, too.
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Jengie jon
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I am not asking for anything that simple. I am wanting to be able to contextualize the advice given rather than just having it flow over my head. I want enough to be able to be able to have some idea of the persons reasoning. This would make me more able to choose wisely how to adapt the routine to my developing fitness level between reviews.
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Jane R
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In that case, try something like a GCSE textbook. Though you might find an A-level or undergraduate-level one more informative.
I've indexed a few of these (not the one I linked to) and I remember being impressed at how much students needed to know to pass their exams.
Another thing you might consider is asking your instructor when you're doing the review to tell you things you can do in between reviews to make the exercises harder. Mine is happy to do this (eg., do more repetitions/increase the weight/increase the resistance on the CV machines; also some floor exercises have more challenging variations that you can add on to the basic exercise when you're ready).
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*bump*
How's everyone doing? My 5k time seems to stay static for ages, then I take a big bite out of it (26s on Saturday, for a PB of 27:12).
I am trying to do something every day, though, mostly swimming, with a bit of running - I did 10k this morning because I didn't want to have to think about the Girl doing her AS Maths paper...
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Jane R
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I signed up to do the Race for Life 5k in (gulp) about seven weeks' time. I have built up to 30 minutes non-stop running on the treadmill, but had a bit of a shock when I went for my first outdoor run on Monday and discovered that (a) the friends I was running with were a lot faster than me and (b) I had to walk after about 20 minutes.
So it's back to the gym to get an updated workout and training schedule...
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Most people (IME) walk the Race for Life. It's also a crashing mistake to try and judge how well you're doing by how fast your mates are going. Please don't go down that road, as it only leads to despondency.
Find someone willing to run at your pace, stay with them and you'll be fine. There's a whole bunch of folk at Parkrun who are not just faster, but older, than me, and if I tried to keep up with them, I'd combust.
Case in point: the bloke I'm trying to currently beat is two age brackets above me. That's right: I'm trying to overtake a 60+ year old man, and I still can't quite do it (I'm 48).
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JaneR
My reading (I am novice too) is that running outside is very different from running on a treadmill. The books say if you must train on a treadmill then put it at 1% incline to help counteract how easy it is compared with outside.
However, I suspect with a couple of runs outside in the next week you will find you pace and fitness will improve dramatically compared with what they are today. My experience is that every time I try something new, initially I get a fitness burst. It does not keep going, but the first few weeks are encouraging.
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Thanks guys - especially for the tip about adjusting the incline on the treadmill, I'll try that. I am feeling less despondent now - I have another seven weeks to get up to speed.
I am not aiming to keep up with my friends - just hoping to run all the way and finish not too far behind them!
Next time I will try having dinner *after* the run instead of 45 minutes before, too - that didn't help.
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I think treadmill running and outdoor running are slightly different techniques. To run fast outdoors you want to push off from the ground which lengthens your stride, but you can't really do that on a treadmill, you can only increase your cadence.
Personally I find outdoor running easier, as well as a hundred times more fun, but most people do find treadmills easier.
Good luck Doc Tor in catching your 60 something, there are some good older runners out there once you get past him. Some of the world age group records are really amazing. For 75 plus men at 5k it's 19.07 !
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I've never run on a treadmill - I can't actually imagine how that would feel. I'd miss the subtle changes in the slope and surface of the ground, and that you feel like you're actually travelling. On my longer runs I get to see the Angel of the North, and on the shorter ones at this time of year, there's a line of ornamental cherries in full flower to run under.
Also, I slaughtered my PB again. I'm down to 26:39, a full minute faster than two weeks ago. Jimmy wasn't even there, either...
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Well done to all shippies who are persevering with their running (or indeed other regimes).Last weekend I set my PB for 10k, with a chip time of 1.15.20 - absolutely delighted with that for my very first attempt ever! The next day I had to do a (very gentle) run with Op 2 as she's decided she'd like to start Couch to 5k, which was lovely, and I'm not going to feel disheartened at the fact she's so much quicker than me..!
Tonight's aim is a 35 min run. The sun is shinin, but it's not all that warm, so it should be perfect conditions for a good run
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Congratulations Beethoven!
I did another outside run by myself yesterday. I think moonlitdoor is right and I need to use a slightly different technique when running outdoors - the lower part of my calves and the tendons in my feet seemed to be working very hard, which suggests that they were doing things they weren't used to. I still managed to do 20 minutes jogging, followed by 5 minutes walk, then another 10 minutes jog, so I'm getting there. I took a bottle of water with me this time so I could keep myself hydrated, and that also seemed to help.
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Well, last night didn't go quite to plan - dinner an hour later than it should have been, and my legs were clearly still more tired than I'd realised. But I managed half an hour of running (with a minute's walk after 20 mins), so that's still OK.
Well done Jane - sounds like you're making excellent progess. Running outdoors is so much more fun than the dreadmill! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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I went for a sixteen mile stroll last week. We stopped off for lunch and a poke round a craft shop, then we had another stop to visit a small heritage centre, then we stopped again for ice cream, but even so, sixteen miles must count for something, fitness wise.
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.. a sixteen mile stroll ...
Crikey - that's not a stroll, it's a marathon.
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