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Snags
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Wesley J HDMI and DVI are both digital connections so either should give better results. As you're already using HDMI-HDMI on one monitor, I assume the other output from the PC is DVI, not HDMI? If so I would stick with DVI-DVI (assuming a DVI in on the monitor) as you're not going to improve on the source signal.

At the end of the day, keeping both ends the same normally gives the best result. Only use converters/adapters when you have to.

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Wesley J

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Thank you! I'm glad there are some Snags to it!

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HDMI and DVI carry the same quality of visual signal. The main difference is that HDMI can also carry an audio signal. That's why an HDMI-DVI converter is just a plug. It's simply rewiring the wire layout from one plug to another. What Snags said is true though. Only convert if you have to because every connection risks some signal loss.

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I've suddenly started getting annoying "sponsored" adverts coming in at the top of my inbox (and every other mail folder) in Yahoo every time I open it up. They go away when I click on a cross at the side of the title, but shortly afterwards another pops up. How can I get rid of them?

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It's happening to me too. You have to pay to make them go away.
As yahoo is not my main account I'm not going to pay.
I don't often read my mail in a browser as my iMac and iPad use a mail client to access all my mail accounts.

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Me too. And if I can succeed as marking them as spam, another pops up to take its place. Sigh. Not fun Yahoo.ca. Not fun.

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If I can't get rid of them, that will be the end of a more than ten year very happy association with Yahoo. I won' stand for being messed around like this.

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Just got a raspberrypi - http://www.raspberrypi.org/ (their site is slow). Here is a link to a site that sells them in Canada. Though I got mine for $68.

The little computer is the size of 1½ packs of playing cards, runs Linux (like an Android phone does, though Linux for the little thing is different). I expect to leave a monitor, mouse and keyboard where I need to use a computer and stop hauling a laptop around. Need it only for some web stuff and documents (Libre Office).

Anyone else using one? I think the future of computing is cheap. My other computers are a used and free to me 10" Dell mini N-series, and a $189 off lease HP laptop. I have Linux on both of these.

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Wesley J

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quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
I've suddenly started getting annoying "sponsored" adverts coming in at the top of my inbox (and every other mail folder) in Yahoo every time I open it up. They go away when I click on a cross at the side of the title, but shortly afterwards another pops up. How can I get rid of them?

I haven't got any of those (yet...?). However, I've been a heavy user of 'AdblockPlus', 'Element Hiding Helper for AdblockPlus' and 'AdblockPlus Pop-up Add-on' for many years. These are add-ons in Firefox. They do the trick, though you'll occasionally have you tweak them, when the ad companies find new ways of forcing ads upon us.

I wonder if this might work for you?

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A similar question to Wesley J - I recently got a shiny new monitor (was using an old TV before). It's got VGA, HDMI and DisplayPort inputs. My PC has VGA and DVI outputs. I've been using VGA so far and it looks very nice.

Is it worth buying a DVI->HDMI cable? Will it suffer the same potential problems as the adapters mentioned above? I also have spare HDMI cables so an adaptor would be cheaper but not that much.

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Late Paul
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Originally posted by monkeylizard:
Only convert if you have to because every connection risks some signal loss.

Missed this before.
This is technically possible, but misleading. DVI and HDMI are digital signals. When they lose signal, the information is missing. It does not result in noise (fuzzy image/sound) like an analogue signal, but in missing bits or a complete loss image/sound. And it is not a gradual decline as analogue will do. It is a full signal, missing bits or nothing.*
Side Note: don't buy expensive cables. Here is an article explaining signal loss in digital cable.

*What are more often seen are compression artifacts which your cables/adapters have no effect in causing or fixing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
I've suddenly started getting annoying "sponsored" adverts coming in at the top of my inbox (and every other mail folder) in Yahoo every time I open it up. They go away when I click on a cross at the side of the title, but shortly afterwards another pops up. How can I get rid of them?

Me too. I thought it was because I clicked on a message saying firefox had blocked a pop up and I let it through. The message said that I could reverse this, but then I couldn't find a way. I tried resetting all my firefox settings.

Very, very annoyed as I have just changed my main email to yahoo and wouldn't have done if I had known. I don't know why it irritates me more than the sidebar ads.

I use Windows Mail as much as possible now, although I don't find it as good for some things.

Relieved to pop in here and find it might not have been my own stupid fault.

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I'm a long-time yahoo mail subscriber (it's my main email account). If you think of the ads that that appear at the top of the email list as a banner ad that's *pretending* to look like an email message, it's actually pretty easy to ignore. Just let your eyes immediately move to the SECOND line on the list of emails, and proceed from there. (On my system, the first line is even shaded differently, making it even easier to filter out.)

I would agree with anyone who says that this approach to ads is excessively deceitful, but it's still reasonably easy to avoid.

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Wesley J

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I can only repeat what I said earlier: I'm not getting a single advert on Yahoo mail, not have for years, namely thanks to AdblockPlus. (Other adblockers are available.) Oh, and the Flashblock add-on, too. [Smile]

Linkie and Linkie.

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We're having significant issues with internet access at the moment, and I am wondering whether it is just too many WiFi users at the same time. It seems that connecting to the router via Ethernet almost always solves the problem. We have a TalkTalk (ISP) provided Huawei HG533 N router with one of its Ethernet ports used via a power line adapter to provide a TV service.

So, two questions:
1 Is it likely that 5 simultaneous wifi users (some of whom are likely to be streaming music or video, or gaming) will be putting a strain on the router's wifi capabilities? If so…
2 Could I use a second router to alleviate the problem? My provisional thought would be to have it connected by Ethernet (via the power line adapter) to the first router (which will handle all WAN transactions). The TV service would be routed straight through the second router to the first. The second router would also be used to increase the overall WiFi capacity. If this is possible, I'm not sure whether the second router should run a second WiFi network or extend the one operated by the first router.

If this is sensible, can anyone point me towards some help, ideally step by step instructions for a relative ignoramus?

Thanks

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BroJames,

You have a limited amount of bandwith coming in. It is then divided amoungst concurrent users. This is the most likely culprit, and nothing you can change unless your ISP allows for a better package.

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quote:
Originally posted by BroJames:
We're having significant issues with internet access at the moment, and I am wondering whether it is just too many WiFi users at the same time. It seems that connecting to the router via Ethernet almost always solves the problem. We have a TalkTalk (ISP) provided Huawei HG533 N router with one of its Ethernet ports used via a power line adapter to provide a TV service.

So, two questions:
1 Is it likely that 5 simultaneous wifi users (some of whom are likely to be streaming music or video, or gaming) will be putting a strain on the router's wifi capabilities? If so…
2 Could I use a second router to alleviate the problem? My provisional thought would be to have it connected by Ethernet (via the power line adapter) to the first router (which will handle all WAN transactions). The TV service would be routed straight through the second router to the first. The second router would also be used to increase the overall WiFi capacity. If this is possible, I'm not sure whether the second router should run a second WiFi network or extend the one operated by the first router.

If this is sensible, can anyone point me towards some help, ideally step by step instructions for a relative ignoramus?

Thanks

James

While it is possible that the source of your issues is a poorly made/designed router, I suspect that the culprit is likely bandwith, as lilbuddha said.

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Remember that BroJames says the problem tends to be resolved when connected via Ethernet, which rather suggests that the poor old router isn't really up to the job when it comes to handling multiple Wifi data streams.

BroJames, if you are using the router supplied by your ISP there is a good chance it's fairly basic. It might be worth finding some reviews of it online

If it looks as though your ISP has opted for cheap, and not particularly cheerful, in its choice of router, then buying a more serious bit of routing kit could well solve at least the worst of your bandwidth problems.

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Oh another question given this is talktalk. Is the router plugged into the primary telephone socket in the house?

At least some of the TalkTalk routers require this. I have one going free to anyone that wants it as my primary socket is in a position where it is impossible to get power to.

Jengie

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quote:
Originally posted by Alisdair:
Remember that BroJames says the problem tends to be resolved when connected via Ethernet, which rather suggests that the poor old router isn't really up to the job when it comes to handling multiple Wifi data streams.

BroJames, if you are using the router supplied by your ISP there is a good chance it's fairly basic. It might be worth finding some reviews of it online

If it looks as though your ISP has opted for cheap, and not particularly cheerful, in its choice of router, then buying a more serious bit of routing kit could well solve at least the worst of your bandwidth problems.

Ah, you are correct. I somehow missed that. Mea culpa.

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[brick wall] Oy! I missed that as well.

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Thanks all for your contributions. Budget won't run to buying another router ATM, but I've got several previous ones lying around. Hence my question about running two of them.
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Instruction on connecting two routers.

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Bro James:

I don't know if this will be any help at all but we moved house recently and the new house has three telephone sockets. So we put the router and the ADSL filter gizmo in the bedroom, out of the way of grandchildren.

Since we moved we have had a lot of problems with the connection dropping.

So we recently got a BT TV package for the football and channels and films for the grandchildren. The engineer who came to install the kit said the reason for the connection dropping was because we had the router and the phone sharing a socket. (I think, I wasn't there) So he put another ADSL filter in the phone handset downstairs and that seems to have solved the problem. Whatever arrangement we had was splitting the signal.

The short version is you need an ADSL filter with every phone handset. And don't have things sharing sockets.

Sorry if this is totally irrelevant.

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Password keeper: any recommendations? Features I should look for, or misfeatures I should watch out for?

I'm interested in something for both my Windows 7 PC and my iPhone. I don't know if that means I need two different ones, or if it's possible to have a secure cloud solution that can be accessed from both. (Although storing all my passwords together in one place in the cloud makes me queasy... am I right to be suspicious, or could this be trusted?)

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quote:
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Password keeper: any recommendations? Features I should look for, or misfeatures I should watch out for?

I use LastPass. Their cloud implementation is very good (everything is encrypted locally and delivered to the cloud in a way that means they never have access to the password). You probably do want a cloud one, because you probably use some sites on both your PC and phone. But you're right to be suspicious. I reckon LastPass do it right, but others may not.

I can't comment on their iPhone app as I use Android.

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KeePass is also good and is Freeware.

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For clarity on sockets/filters etc.:

- there is no problem with things sharing sockets
- there is a problem with having unfiltered devices on the same line if the sockets are wired in parallel not series

So it's normally just a question of checking that all devices are filter, either because the filter is built into the faceplate, or with an external filter.

Also, no router whatsoever will care whether it's plugged into the master socket or not as long as any extension wiring is good. If you have to plug your router into the master socket then you either have unfiltered devices, or dodgy extension wiring.

BroJames I haven't checked, but we (work) almost certainly have a bunch of spare wireless access points lying around the office. They'll be pre-loved and maybe a little "random", but if you want I will gladly dig around to see if there's anything servicable, configure it for you ready to just plug in to your existing router, and send it to you (assuming the "UK" is accurate in your location!). PM me if you'd like me to go ferreting ...

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quote:
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I can only repeat what I said earlier: I'm not getting a single advert on Yahoo mail, not have for years, namely thanks to AdblockPlus. (Other adblockers are available.) Oh, and the Flashblock add-on, too. [Smile]

Linkie and Linkie.

Done! Thank you.

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quote:
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Also, no router whatsoever will care whether it's plugged into the master socket or not as long as any extension wiring is good. If you have to plug your router into the master socket then you either have unfiltered devices, or dodgy extension wiring.
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Sorry about this Snags but that is not the case in my experience

The installation instructions say from the main socket only. It also regularly failed when I did it on another socket and diagnosed as not plugged into the main socket! The socket I was using is one I had used for the previous router.

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I agree. When we moved house we spent a fortnight without broadband because our router was plugged into a socket that was not the master socket - we had been wrongly told that it was the master socket, and had to wait for an engineer to come out before we discovered that it wasn't.

There was no connection at all at any time via the non-master socket, even with nothing else at all plugged in anywhere, and there is nothing wrong with the wiring.

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I won't argue with personal experience, and TalkTalk are shite, so all bets are off. However, I will say that the router has no way of knowing what socket it is plugged into, and dealing with this stuff is my job. I therefore suspect Something Else, and convenient simplification on TT's part.

Not least because the master socket (aka test socket) can only be accessed by removing the faceplate.

Obviously if your "master socket" is of the type the incorporates a filter, that changes the game ...

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quote:
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...Obviously if your "master socket" is of the type the incorporates a filter, that changes the game ...

It is now, although it wasn't when we had the problems with broadband.

Can't blame TalkTalk here though - this was purely BT. It was one of their call centre people who told me that he could tell (from several continents away) that the phone I was using was plugged into the master socket. I thought that was very strange, but as I thought it was anyway and we were waiting for an engineer's visit it didn't make much difference.

When the engineer came he replaced the master socket, not because there was anything wrong with the old one, but because BT wanted their latest logo on all sockets. He did also tell me that having an extension lead connected to the master socket made no difference to its performance, but it seems that this doesn't apply to the wired in extensions around the rest of the house.

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The BT 'phone support person was bullshitting you.

There are lots of things that can cause issues for ADSL on extension wiring, but if everything is the way it needs to be (wiring quality, signal strength, correct filtering throughout the chain which depends on what's filtered where already, whether the extensions are parallel or series etc.) then the router won't care where it's plugged in to. Really, truly [Smile]

The reason they get you to plug in to the test socket is so that they can exclude issues with extension wiring, and also any possible issues with the faceplate itself. They can't tell whether you actually have plugged in to the test/master socket, but some of the support droids try it on, because they know most people don't really have a clue how it works.

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quote:
Originally posted by Snags:
The BT 'phone support person was bullshitting you.

Yes indeed - and when I complained to the CEO they gave me a special complaints handler, who I am still using almost a year later. Apparently every time I complain the CEO's office is informed. (This sounds like flannel to me, but it does seem to get me better treatment.)

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Originally posted by Snags:
There are lots of things that can cause issues for ADSL on extension wiring, but if everything is the way it needs to be (wiring quality, signal strength, correct filtering throughout the chain which depends on what's filtered where already, whether the extensions are parallel or series etc.) then the router won't care where it's plugged in to. Really, truly [Smile]

I have to admit that it wouldn't surprise me if the person who built the house didn't put the wiring in properly. In fact, to be honest, I'd probably be more surprised if he had done it properly. [Frown]

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Ariel
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I was thinking of downloading a news app to my phone. The pre-installation notice said that this app would have access to:

"Device ID & call information:
Allows the app to determine the phone number and device IDs, whether a call is active, and the remote number connected by a call."

Why would it need to know what number is being phoned?

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Alex Cockell

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Instruction on connecting two routers.

Better idea would be to get hold of a decent couple of baby Etheernet hubs and run a tree structure. That way some of the local datagram routing is handled further away fromt he router.
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mousethief

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Microsoft Word. My index doesn't show; instead where it should be it says

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{INDEX \e" "\c"2"\z"1033"}
If I copy this and paste it into Wordpad, the index shows up! But I kinda need to be able to see it in situ.

My table of contents and page numbers (in the footers) are doing analagous things -- where the page number should be, it says

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{ PAGE \* MERGEFORMAT }
I would sure as hell hate to lose all the formatting I did in this document, as I've probably put over 30 hours into it.

Thots?

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Snags
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You're displaying field codes instead of content. There's a toggle which is based on F9 but I can never remember if it's plain or Ctrl+ , I think plain and the latter lets you write codes directly.

or, on older versions, there's a fairly obvious menu item to switch it. Not looked on the ribbon, but probably on the Developer tab knowing MS

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Snags:
You're displaying field codes instead of content. There's a toggle which is based on F9 but I can never remember if it's plain or Ctrl+ , I think plain and the latter lets you write codes directly.

or, on older versions, there's a fairly obvious menu item to switch it. Not looked on the ribbon, but probably on the Developer tab knowing MS

Found the answer -- you right click on the field code and there's a toggle. I had to do it on the footer in every section, in the TOC, and in the Index.

Now my problem is that I can't change the headers or footers without Word turning all my "Odd Page" section breaks into "Continuous" section breaks. I turn off the link to the previous header, and BAM, the section break is changed. Jaysoos, who programs this shit?

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Welease Woderwick

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Smartphones - is there a huge and important difference between Ice Cream Sandwich [Android 4.0.4] and JellyBean[Android 4.1]?

There are two phones I am considering - one of each. The cheaper of the two is the JellyBean but from an unknown [to me] manufacturer [Swipe Sonic] - the Ice Cream Sandwich is from Lenovo.

Opinions? Sniggers behind the hand? Outright condemnation of my choices?

[Help]

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Androids are now being released with Kit-Kat. Unlike i-phones, which can always upgrade their OS (though iPhone users seem flush enough to just buy the latest models) android phones seem to only be able to upgrade once or twice. That may just mean that there are some newer apps you can't install. My phone and tablet (ICS) can't access USB drives, which is about the only later function I would like to use.

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Snags
Utterly socially unrealistic
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The other thing to check with cheaper/entry level Android devices is whether they are "full" or a slightly messed about version.

Some of the cheaper implementations don't include access to the Play store, and instead you have to go through whatever the provider has set up.

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Thyme
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Last year after considerable research I got a top of the range android smart phone.

I have never got on with it and wish I had got an iphone.

More recently I got an ipad and in contrast with the $$%%**!! phone I love it.

Stuck with the phone now for at least another year.

So my advice is get an iphone [Razz]

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Ariel
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It may make life easier to get an entry-level Android until you get used to the way they work. It can come as a bit of a learning curve otherwise if you haven't had one before.
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Alisdair
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Android v. iPhone, it's horses for courses. If you prefer consistency and predictability you're probably better off with an iPhone. If you prefer freedom to do things the way you want and to have lots of options then you'll probably get on better with an Android.

If you want a higher end but vanilla Android experience which will get it's updates straight from Google buy a Nexus. If you want to spend less, but get very good value for money buy a Motorola Moto G (the 16G version if you plan on putting lots of music, or other stuff on board). The camera's not the best, but everything else is pretty good. Again, this is pretty much Android as Google make it (Motorola were owned by Google until very recently and the Moto G is basically, like the Nexus, a Google product---effectively a reference design for an Android phone done right.

The reason Androids generally only get one or two operating system upgrades is because manufacturers/network operators have a bad habit of varnishing over the basic Android OS with their own ideas of how it should be (they are trying to differentiate themselves in the market, and the quality is highly variable). This makes having to customise upgrades an expensive pain for the supplier so they tend to do it as little as possible. They would rather you bought a new phone; which isn't totally silly or venal as most people only have the phone for the length of the contract, i.e. two/three years.

I would avoid buying a 'cheap' landfill Android phone. They are usually cheap for a reason---they're pretty rubbish and disappointing to use.

The ones I have mentioned are generally rated to be worth their purchase price.

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Doublethink.
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Silly people, you don't choose, you get your tablet in one and your phone in the other .... [Two face]

(And windows on the desktop/equivalent - God forbid there is an app in the cosmos you can not access.)

[ 08. July 2014, 18:05: Message edited by: Doublethink ]

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Welease Woderwick

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Thanks folks, much food for thought there.

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Snags
Utterly socially unrealistic
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As an aside, having used all three major phone OS and multiple examples of Android implementations from cheap to high end* I can honestly say that for general purpose use, ease of operation, and all round 'niceness' the current Windows Phone release strikes me as the best.

Obviously if you must have x,000,000 apps then it doesn't cut it, as the supporting infrastructure isn't there to the same degree. And if you're guided strongly by fashion then you won't have the strength of character to overcome the hoots of derision. Or if you're already heavily invested in iOS or Android elsewhere. But starting from a neutral position it's surprisingly good, and has won over a number of people I would never have thought would bring themselves to touch one, let alone use and own!


*Not all my phones, I end up setting them up and helping a great many people with them as an adjunct wot w**k

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Tukai
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quote:
Originally posted by Joan Rasch:
I'm a long-time yahoo mail subscriber (it's my main email account). If you think of the ads that that appear at the top of the email list as a banner ad that's *pretending* to look like an email message, it's actually pretty easy to ignore. Just let your eyes immediately move to the SECOND line on the list of emails, and proceed from there. (On my system, the first line is even shaded differently, making it even easier to filter out.)

I would agree with anyone who says that this approach to ads is excessively deceitful, but it's still reasonably easy to avoid.

cheers from Boston - /Joan

Me too. Yahoo is my main account also, and even used for my business. The different shading makes these ads very easy to ignore. They distract me far less than the sidebar ones.

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