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Brenda Clough
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Perhaps 'flame'? I recall that Beatrice, in Dante, wore that color. Plus green and white.
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Firenze
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What did we call the colour orange before the fruit orange was discovered?
Come to that, what did we call that beigy-green before we discovered avocados?
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Firenze
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My point was rather that the colours exist, and are referred to (geoluhead/yellowred) until something comes along that so typifies the shade that it becomes the common referent. Hence orange, eggshell, chartreuse, avocado, ultramarine, cobalt, amber, slate, silver, gold, rose (and every other colour name which is also a thing).
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Unless we called the fruit an orange cos we already had that word for the colour.
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Ariel
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On a similar point, I've been wondering for some time: what did people call vegetables before the word came into common use?
"Vegetable" is an awkward, spiky kind of word that's often shortened to make it easier, small children struggle with the pronunciation as well as the concept, and it's one of those Latin-based words that sounds as if it was originally a scholarly term rather than what ordinary people would have called them.
It may be that they were just referred to as "crops", or by their individual names like "turnips" and "onions", as in previous centuries the range available wasn't that great and people didn't much like eating them anyway, but it would be interesting to know.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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At Kentwell our pottage is often 'roots and worts', that is, onions, carrots and cabbage so worts is probably the carry all term for leafy and above ground veg.
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Ordinary people probably called them "Food".
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Originally posted by Firenze:
My point was rather that the colours exist
Actually, that depends what you mean. Sure, *individual* colors exists (however you spell them!). Each thing that can be seen, with its current lighting doesn't indeed reflect a specific hue, saturation and value, and I'm happy to say that that exists. But, our color words never refer to just one specific color, they refer to some range. "Blue," for instance, commonly refers to a whole range of wavelengths of light between 450 and 490 nm.
Did this range 'exist'? Well, I guess that depends on your metaphysics. But, my point is that there's no a priori reason we need a word to identify things in between 450 and 490 nm, rather than one to identify things in between 475 and 515, say. In a sense, as color words are coined, colors are created, in the sense that regions of the color space are circumscribed and deemed worthy of having a name.
It's a bit like creating a new country. The land was there before, but the boundary (even if it's invisible) and the decision to have a specific name for what's inside that boundary is a new creation.
There are some very interesting comparative linguistic studies that look at how different unrelated language systems divide up the color space into different named regions. I forget the details, but there do seem to be some things that are genuinely cross-cultural and some that are very variable, in terms of where it's seen worth making what distinctions.
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Firenze
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I'm not unaware of that, Hart. There was a BBC Horizon on, I think, the Himba of southern Africa who divide up colours completely differently.
Different times and cultures live in different colour worlds. Preindustrial (no aniline dyes) peasant living in Northern Europe (no tropical fruit/flowers) could well inhabit a more muted palette - lot more greens, browns, russets and pastels - than we do.
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Brenda Clough
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And more fugitive. Unless the color was natural (the sheep has black wool, etc.) any color you applied tended to fade out, wash out, or change fairly rapidly. In this movies and TV are highly deceptive; there was a ferocious appetite for bright colors because they were so rare, hard to achieve, and fleeting. Only modern people, jaded by their chemically stable dyes and paints, can develop a taste for beige, taupe, and gray.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
That flag commonly appears in pictures of Jesus risen from the dead and signifies the resurection, whether it appears in the hand of the human Jesus or with the lamb symbol. IMHO it has nothing to do with St. George--it is simply a reminder of the cross, and of victory.
Noticed this morning that the floor tiles in front of our high altar depict the Lamb of God with flag, and that the flag is attached to a cross (I think I've seen this elsewhere) but also the hooves of the lamb are pierced with the nail-marks. This latter I've never seen (or never noticed) before. Is this the standard iconography?
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Lamb Chopped
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I don't know about that, but it fits in nicely with the verse in Revelation where John sees "a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain..."
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On a similar point, I've been wondering for some time: what did people call vegetables before the word came into common use?
The glossary of the 'Lady Grace Mysteries' book I bought my 10 year old niece defines 'potherbs' as vegetables. I think I've seen that used for vegetables in historical novels I've read too.
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Jengie jon
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What do americans call cordials?
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Hedgehog
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This site (from Pennsylvania) gives a decent definition of the term "cordial" as used in the U.S.
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Zacchaeus
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
This site (from Pennsylvania) gives a decent definition of the term "cordial" as used in the U.S.
Cordials don't ahve to be alcoholic in theuk they can be fruity type drinks..
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Hedgehog
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Originally posted by Zacchaeus:
Cordials don't ahve to be alcoholic in theuk they can be fruity type drinks..
Yes, I think we tend to refer to the non-alcoholic versions as just "fruit drinks."
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Pomona
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Iirc, the traditional Colonial fruit and herbal drinks eventually became the syrups used in sodas. You can see the connection in things like birch beer and Utah apple soda.
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Jengie jon
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Thanks, we were translating a paper written in British English into American English and could not think what the term should be. We went with "fruit flavoured drink".
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Jengie jon
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Punch here is nearly always alcoholic so probably not a good term. Cordial here refers to a flavoured syrup that is diluted with water to drink. By analogy it also refers to the diluted form.
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Penny S
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Cordials are also clear, unlike squashes, which are also diluted, and are derived from fruit. Unlike elderflower cordial.
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Cordials are also clear, unlike squashes, which are also diluted, and are derived from fruit. Unlike elderflower cordial.
Cordials can be derived from fruit, they just tend to be thicker/more of a syrup and more often homemade. I do know people who use cordial and squash interchangeably too.
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Pearl B4 Swine
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Being one of those American English speakers, I had never seen the word squash be anything but the vegetable- yellow, crookneck, zucchini, and so forth. It still seems wrong for it to mean a pleasant fruity drink.
"Cordial" isn't used here very often (the word, I mean) except by ladies over 80.
That PA website says: A liqueur added to coffee makes a decadent after-dinner drink. I, naughtily, like it in my morning coffee. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Baptist Trainfan
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Or a somewhat madcap young peoples' fun-and-games evening (that will tell you something about both my age and my social background ...).
"Squash", that is, not "cordial".
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Brenda Clough
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You know that colas, and other carbonated drinks of that type, are sold as syrups. The syrup comes in large containers and is combined with carbonated water at the drinks station, or when you buy it at the counter, so that the fizzy is good and fresh when you drink. So maybe the word is 'syrup.'
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Penny S
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I don't think I suggested that cordials were not derived from fruit - most are. It was the clarity I was stressing - squashes are cloudy, and less syrupy, as you say.
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Sir Kevin
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
...noticed this morning that the floor tiles in front of our high altar depict the Lamb of God with flag, and that the flag is attached to a cross
Before we got a life-size crucifix hanging from the ceiling a few years ago, there was a wooden sculpture of a robed Christ standing up in a medium-sized boat waving a rather large flag!
My parish is the local Roman Catholic cathedral and this sculpture was attached to the back wall, very high up. I like the crucifix better, though my wife who is Anglican is intimidated by it and thinks that there is too much blood!
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A Facebook question.
A couple of weeks ago I got a notification on FB that X had "accepted my Friend request" and we were now FB friends. X is a young teen at church and I definitely hadn't sent him a Friend request. I was baffled, but I just defriended him immediately - I don't want FB friends under the age of 18.
Yesterday, I got a notification that Y had "accepted my Friend request." Y is an older lady at church - I am FB friends with her daughter. Again, I was sure that I had sent no such request. I spoke to her at church and she was equally baffled, because she said that she hadn't received a Friend request from me, and that even if she had, she probably wouldn't have accepted it.
How has this happened - I didn't send a request to Y, she didn't receive a request from me, and yet we ended up "Friends"?
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Go to your profile and click on "Friends". You may see some "Friend Requests" waiting there.
Some of them, I know that the person actually sent it. For others, I have been notified that my brother or another friend recommended that we should be friends.
Sometimes it says things to say you are now friends but if you check your actual list of friends, their name is not there. I think the notification is a little premature and they are hoping you will click to accept that person as a a friend.
You can also see "Friend Request Sent" and see which people have been sent a request. I had several people in there and I did not send requests.
Facebook is sometimes very mysterious!
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Lamb Chopped
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So a third party can send friend requests? Because I have been mightily puzzled by receiving a friend request from the head of the company that fired me.
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Help!
I hve spilled tee on my keybord nd the 'ehy' doesn't work eny more - is there enything I cn do??
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If you only just did this, it could be that when it dries out, the key might work again. I assume you've dried it out as thoroughly as possible and run a bit of kitchen towel under the key to remove as much liquid as you can?
Otherwise replacement (of keyboard) may be the answer.
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Wet Kipper
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other that the posh perfume/fragrance versions you see at Christmas (like CK one, or Hilfiger etc), does anyone (UK) know of a deodorant stick which is NOT an anti-perspirant ?
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Brenda Clough
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If you have a quantity of white rice, try burying the entire device in it -- rice absorbs moisture.
Buy a can of canned air and blow it around the difficult key.
My husband the computer guy says that if you take sugar in your tea it may be too late. The sugar is bad for he contacts.
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other that the posh perfume/fragrance versions you see at Christmas (like CK one, or Hilfiger etc), does anyone (UK) know of a deodorant stick which is NOT an anti-perspirant ?
From the first page of the Walmart website...
Dove Men+Care Clean Comfort Deodorant
Speed Stick Active Fresh Deodorant
Speed Stick Ocean Surf Deodorant
Tom`s of Maine makes several
Old Spice makes several
And there were pages and pages on that site so it might be worth a look. Personally, I only use scent-free and fairly natural products so just looking at these was close to setting me off but I was curious. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jengie jon
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Wet Kipper
You mean like this?
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I am horrifically allergic to Lush deodorant, including all the ones they say are hypoallergenic, even worse than I'm allergic to the normal antiperspirant deodorants. One I've found I can use is the salt crystal deodorants, and there are a couple of others I can use with care.
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
I am horrifically allergic to Lush deodorant, including all the ones they say are hypoallergenic, even worse than I'm allergic to the normal antiperspirant deodorants. One I've found I can use is the salt crystal deodorants, and there are a couple of others I can use with care.
Have you tried the Body Shop's aloe deodorant? It's with the aloe skincare range. Also, Dr Organic (available in Holland & Barrett) is a nice brand and does several deodorants.
Wonder why you have a reaction to all the Lush deodorant as the dry ones are just bicarb, clay and essential oils - I wonder if it's an essential oil you're allergic to.
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In colonial days, there were shrubs... fruit drinks with vinegar added. There were also rickeys which were usually alcoholic but also survived in New England as a soda fountain drink; I remember fondly the cherry lime rickey which was made with s small lime, cherry (or raspberry) syrup and soda water.
Fruit punch could mean alcoholic or non-alcoholic and there were the citrus drinks, orangeade, lemonade. limeade and grapeade which are juice, sugar and water. And there are ciders which since prohibition are most commonly non-alcoholic.
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Penny S
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Not over here, ciders aren't. And some are very powerful indeed. Tread warily should you visit. (There used to be brands called Cydrax and Peardrax, which were non-alcoholic, but I haven't seen them for ages.)
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The US Food and Drug Administration sets definitions for words describing food. Legally, "cider" refers to fluid extracted by pressing and "juice" to fluid extracted by the application of heat.
It isn't uncommon to see "apple juice" and "apple cider" side-by-side on the shelf in nearly identical jugs, neither of which is alcoholic.
Cider that has fermented is called "hard cider". It is regaining popularity, with more small orchards making hand-crafted varieties. But by volume sold, most cider is non-alcoholic.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Not over here, ciders aren't. And some are very powerful indeed. Tread warily should you visit. (There used to be brands called Cydrax and Peardrax, which were non-alcoholic, but I haven't seen them for ages.)
Apparently Trinidad & Tobago is the place to get them
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Albertus
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But please somebody tell me that this is a spoof
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Sadly not, Albertus: although it is officially 'unusual' the Jones Soda Company really do make a Bacon flavour fizzy drink.
They don't manufacture all of their most esoteric flavours all the time but their output of bizarre (or weirdly named) drinks is impressive - they used to do a juice called a Big Boob Betty
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Does anyone have the words to a Fisherfolk song - "I walk with you my children" - the chorus runs "And all creations waiting on tiptoe just to see, the sons of God come into their own". It might actually be called "On tiptoe"
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It looks like at least some of them might be here.
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