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So what's your point? Is Footwasher the antichrist?
Cliffdweller, don't engage, even speculatively, in personal attacks. Still less, don't try and push other posters into engaging in them.
Martin60, you are on a cliff-edge of your own without having to rise to bait like that - or post so obscurely that people start indulging in it. Act sensible for once. (Note: what is required of you is not to say "Sir" after the fact, what is required of you is to change your behaviour so there is no risk of it being qualifed as jerkdom.)
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
Thank you for posting that link to Willard's teaching because I think it illustrates exactly what I have been saying and exactly where you are missing the point in your understanding of what Willard is saying-- and possibly (if Willard is right, and I think he is) what Jesus is saying in the Sermon.
That's rich, I post the illustration of the view, I summarise what you've been struggling to explain, and you say I don't understand? Lord give me strength.
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Willard is saying that simply going thru life with gritted teeth, focusing hard on "not doing bad stuff" is not the abundant life Jesus is calling us to. Going around all day passing beautiful people and reminding yourself "Don't s***w them! You're married! That would be bad!" is not the purpose of the Law. Rather, the purpose and intent of the Law, according to Jesus, is to have a transformed heart-- something that is made possible thru the power of the Holy Spirit. In the case of adultery, the transformed heart is one that looks on every human being as a child of God, in the image of God. Once you do that, you don't have to walk around all day gritting your teeth and saying "don't s***w him/her!"-- because treating them as an object of lust is antithetical to thinking of them as a child of God.
Same thing with murder. Instead of getting up each day and walking around each day with a giant to-do list that says "Don't kill anyone!" your to-do list says "love everyone!". That is the purpose and intent of the law. And once your heart is transformed, once you love someone, you don't have to grit your teeth and remember not to murder them. Because murder is antithetical to love.
People go around having bad thoughts. The law convicts them, makes them feel bad, kills them, that's it's job. Jesus approved of the publican who was humbled, crushed, as he read the law in the right way, God's perfect requirements, and was justified. The Pharisee prided himself on meeting an acceptable level of those requirements of the law which the publican had not succeded at.
The point is that there is no acceptable level of law, everything is mandatory. At some point, everybody is killed by the law. That is why Christ raised the bar for the rich young ruler even higher than he did in the Sermon on the Mount. It's definitely not like the California DMV rules where you get your driver's license, if you can show you are knowledgeable about 50 percent of the traffic rules.
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That has nothing at all to do with "self-realization" or transcendental meditation. It may have something to do with contemplative prayer, though, because that is one of the ways that we allow the Spirit to transform our hearts. Because it is not at all about self- realization, it's about Spirit- transformation. It's not our work, it's God's.
Well I see your lack of effort through positive thinking, and I raise you with even lesser effort through confession of inadequacy.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
I highly doubt that. Certainly nothing in Psalm 143 suggests that.
Then why did David say he had sinned against God, and only God?
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Seriously? Footwasher, that is not worthy of you.
Up until now we have had a heated but respectful debate. I vehemently disagree with you and your whole approach to righteousness-- but we have been debating in a respectful fashion.
The above (not directed toward me) is incredibly disrespectful-- and ignorant. It's hell-call worthy, and I would prefer to keep this discussion out of the nether-regions.
The fact that someone does not interpret the Bible in precisely the same narrow way you do is NOT evidence that they don't "value the Bible". Nor is it indicative of someone who just referenced Jesus' command to love your neighbor.
Seriously, an apology is in order so we can move on and get back to the important task of asking what is God saying to us through the Bible.
I'd like to get some clarification on the issue, since things have changed a bit. I remember when it was a requirement to post content as well as links so that if the link died, at least the content would be available. It seems that content posting is now discouraged.
Apparently, quoting from the Bible is also discouraged, being proof texting. However it seems to be a hobbling of those who value the teachings of the Bible. How can we reinforce a Bible teaching unless we quote from the text?
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footwasher: Then why did David say he had sinned against God, and only God?
First, I don't think that David wrote Psalm 51 (if he existed at all).
Second, the idea that David sinned only against God is false. He sinned against God, against Uriah, possibly against Bathsheba, against Uriah's relatives …
I can understand it if perhaps whoever wrote the Psalm meant "David sinned only to God, as opposed to other gods" since this still may have been written in a half-polytheistic context.
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Then why did David say he had sinned against God, and only God?
Because he thought he had sinned against only God? He was wrong - sin hurts people, hurts the planet, hurts ourselves - depending on what we have done wrong.
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footwasher--
First, let me apologize for engaging Martin's obscure questions as I did. I shoulda known better.
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That's rich, I post the illustration of the view, I summarise what you've been struggling to explain, and you say I don't understand? Lord give me strength.
No, you posted a quote that perfectly illustrated the view, then went on to "summarize" it in a way that is completely contrary to what it said. You don't understand it.
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Originally posted by footwasher:
I'd like to get some clarification on the issue, since things have changed a bit. I remember when it was a requirement to post content as well as links so that if the link died, at least the content would be available. It seems that content posting is now discouraged.
Apparently, quoting from the Bible is also discouraged, being proof texting. However it seems to be a hobbling of those who value the teachings of the Bible. How can we reinforce a Bible teaching unless we quote from the text?
No one is objecting to you or anyone else quoting from the Bible. It's something we do all the time on this board. The shipmate in question was objecting to the way you were quoting Scripture, which is similar to the objections I've raised to the way you've used quotations in general.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Because he thought he had sinned against only God? He was wrong - sin hurts people, hurts the planet, hurts ourselves - depending on what we have done wrong.
What should I believe, a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology or the politically correct, idealistic hopes of a dreamer?
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Originally posted by footwasher:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Because he thought he had sinned against only God? He was wrong - sin hurts people, hurts the planet, hurts ourselves - depending on what we have done wrong.
What should I believe, a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology or the politically correct, idealistic hopes of a dreamer?
No contest. The dreamer every time.
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footwasher:]What should I believe, a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology or the politically correct, idealistic hopes of a dreamer?
You mean Jesus?
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Originally posted by footwasher:
a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology
hmmmm.... I believe we have identified the problem.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by footwasher:
a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology
hmmmm.... I believe we have identified the problem.
It's the way you tell 'em. You should go on the stage.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
footwasher--
First, let me apologize for engaging Martin's obscure questions as I did. I shoulda known better.
Yup, now we know what the mammoths felt when they stepped into the tarpits!
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No, you posted a quote that perfectly illustrated the view, then went on to "summarize" it in a way that is completely contrary to what it said. You don't understand it.
Let's see.
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So when many look at the teachings of Christ, they are demoralised. They say, "I have to do these as I now am?"
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Believer reads "Thou shalt not even be angry" and he is demoralized, because He doesn't feel he is able to do it on his own strength.
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Of course it's impossible, but if you say instead that this is the sort of person I can become, then they open up and appear as things that are good and not an imposition.
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Believer says because I have changed because I have been born from above, then the impossible appears possible and good and not a struggle.
How did you get the idea of viewing everybody as a child of God from that passage like you did here:
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In the case of adultery, the transformed heart is one that looks on every human being as a child of God, in the image of God. Once you do that, you don't have to walk around all day gritting your teeth and saying "don't s***w him/her!"-- because treating them as an object of lust is antithetical to thinking of them as a child of God.
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No one is objecting to you or anyone else quoting from the Bible. It's something we do all the time on this board. The shipmate in question was objecting to the way you were quoting Scripture, which is similar to the objections I've raised to the way you've used quotations in general.
If he is objecting to the content of the interpretation of Scripture, he should point out its inadequacies. He should not object to use of Scripture per se. In other words, he should prove that bad proof texting, prooftexting out of context, has happened.
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How did you get the idea of viewing everybody as a child of God from that passage like you did here
At that point I wasn't summarizing, I was moving on to give a specific example (responding to the one you mentioned in your post) from the Sermon on how that gets played out.
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If he is objecting to the content of the interpretation of Scripture, he should point out its inadequacies. He should not object to use of Scripture per se. In other words, he should prove that bad proof texting, prooftexting out of context, has happened.
He did. He wasn't objecting just to the interpretation, but to the way you use Scripture, which, again, is similar to the way you use all quotations. You tend to link/quote something (whether from Scripture or from a website) completely out of context (proof texting). You also tend (in my observation) to point to a quote and say "there! that proves my point!" when to other readers your point seems nothing at all like the quote you have provided.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
No contest. The dreamer every time.
A dreamer goes Stateside, the bastion of raw capitalism. He believes the less intelligent should be the beneficiary of affirmative action, government jobs with the least responsibility, NHS style healthcare, liberal benefits, and generous pensions. Unfortunately, it's not his call.
When you go to a region with a laisser faire economic policy, small government, the regulating principle is that the spillover from the rich will eventually benefit the poor. The more wealth the rich create, the more the wealth will spill over. That's what the leaders in that country want, if the Donald is any indicator of The prevailing sentiments.
It's not what the dreamer desires.
As Paul tells the listeners on Mars Hill: It's not what you think God wants. It's His game, its His region, He is your Creator, so you better learn what He wants.
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Originally posted by footwasher:
As Paul tells the listeners on Mars Hill: It's not what you think God wants. It's His game, its His region, He is your Creator, so you better learn what He wants.
And also with you, of course. It's not even what Calvin wants.
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He believes the less intelligent should be the beneficiary of affirmative action, government jobs with the least responsibility...
the less intelligent??? Seriously?!?
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Fortunately, as you have helpfully reminded us, it's not your call.
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footwasher: If he is objecting to the content of the interpretation of Scripture, he should point out its inadequacies. He should not object to use of Scripture per se. In other words, he should prove that bad proof texting, prooftexting out of context, has happened.
I'm the 'he' you're talking about here.
I don't need to prove anything. What I object to is when I write a post that I've thought long about, and the only thing I get back is a Bible quote (worse by the way it is thrown in my face "this will rock your socks off!").
There are a range of objections I have against this, but the worst of all is the assumption that if I'm arguing against you, I'm actually arguing against the Bible. You and the Bible are on the same level here. I'm sorry, but that's a couple of steps too high for you. And I'm guessing there are more than a few heresies involved in this.
If you want to disagree with me, great. If you want to disagree vehemently with me and use strong wording about it (within the Purg guidelines), go ahead. I love robust discussion and I have a thick skin; I can take it. And by all means, in your answer to me quote the Bible at will. But what I object to is when your answer to me consists only of throwing the Bible into my face. Once again, that doesn't insult me. But it does insult the Bible.
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Well said, Le Roc.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
At that point I wasn't summarizing, I was moving on to give a specific example (responding to the one you mentioned in your post) from the Sermon on how that gets played out.
IOW, you were correcting my summary with your summary, and failing, in that your summary never interacted with Willards claim, indeed, took off on an unrelated tangent. F minus for reading comprehension, D for indulgent, sloppy, wishful, imposing of your own views on the original material.
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He did. He wasn't objecting just to the interpretation, but to the way you use Scripture, which, again, is similar to the way you use all quotations. You tend to link/quote something (whether from Scripture or from a website) completely out of context (proof texting). You also tend (in my observation) to point to a quote and say "there! that proves my point!" when to other readers your point seems nothing at all like the quote you have provided.
Not true. He was objecting to my use of Scripture to support my views. The practice, not the content.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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footwasher: If he is objecting to the content of the interpretation of Scripture, he should point out its inadequacies. He should not object to use of Scripture per se. In other words, he should prove that bad proof texting, prooftexting out of context, has happened.
I'm the 'he' you're talking about here.
I don't need to prove anything. What I object to is when I write a post that I've thought long about, and the only thing I get back is a Bible quote (worse by the way it is thrown in my face "this will rock your socks off!").
There are a range of objections I have against this, but the worst of all is the assumption that if I'm arguing against you, I'm actually arguing against the Bible. You and the Bible are on the same level here. I'm sorry, but that's a couple of steps too high for you. And I'm guessing there are more than a few heresies involved in this.
If you want to disagree with me, great. If you want to disagree vehemently with me and use strong wording about it (within the Purg guidelines), go ahead. I love robust discussion and I have a thick skin; I can take it. And by all means, in your answer to me quote the Bible at will. But what I object to is when your answer to me consists only of throwing the Bible into my face. Once again, that doesn't insult me. But it does insult the Bible.
Consider the televangelist who says Christ's teachings of the abundant life means health and wealth, using Scripture:
John 10:10“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have itabundantly.
The wrong method of rebuttal:
Whinger: Not fair, not fair, throwing Scripture at me!
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The right procedure in rebutting a debating opponent:
Irrelevant. Christ was describing the inadequate job the Jewish leaders were doing in identifying eternal life. You are applying the words out of context, using a passage dealing with spiritual feeding to support a teaching of Christ providing treasure that trusts and perishes, contradicting a dominant theme in all his teachings.
But you knew that.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
And also with you, of course. It's not even what Calvin wants.
That was not even coherent. You don't want to add incoherency to the list of demerits of your posts do you?
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the less intelligent??? Seriously?!?
Fortunately, as you have helpfully reminded us, it's not your call.
It's what happens in capitalistic societies, sis. The smart gobble up the mediocre.
Which isn't really fair. The less intelligent received less brains from God. They should be blamed for doing less well?
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footwasher: The right procedure in rebutting a debating opponent:
Irrelevant. Christ was describing the inadequate job the Jewish leaders were doing in identifying eternal life. You are applying the words out of context, using a passage dealing with spiritual feeding to support a teaching of Christ providing treasure that trusts and perishes, contradicting a dominant theme in all his teachings.
Yes, our discussion is going to be like this: ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) - I make an argument, putting thought into my post.
- Your answer only consists of a Bible text.
- I do the effort of putting that Bible verse in context, arguing why it doesn't apply to my answer.
- Your answer only consists of another Bible text.
- I do more effort putting the Bible text in context …
I don't think so. You want to discuss with me, you're going to share in the effort. Just answering me with a Bible text is not enough, you need to show how you interpret this text, you need to show how it fits into context, and you need to show how it applies to my answer. I'm not going to do your work for you.
(My earlier objection to this practice is more important and still stands.)
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Originally posted by footwasher:
It's not what you think God wants. It's His game, its His region, He is your Creator, so you better learn what He wants.
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
(My earlier objection to this practice is more important and still stands.)
Your problem is your inadequate grasp of how discussions take place, as seen by your post. No discussion happens like you describe. OTOH, I can show you thousands of discussion happening the way I described.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by footwasher:
It's not what you think God wants. It's His game, its His region, He is your Creator, so you better learn what He wants.
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
Absolutely, as David learned, when he sinned against God and God only, in the greater points of the law, justice , mercy and faithfulness. Matt 23:23.
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Boogie: Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
One of my favourite verses, and I don't think I'm the only one. What I find interesting is that two out of the three recommendations involve my neighbour.
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Originally posted by footwasher:
What should I believe, a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology or the politically correct, idealistic hopes of a dreamer?
Given that it takes a person firmly living in dreamland to imagine a "bullet proof" Calvinist theology...
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If I may, no I'm not saying that footwasher is The Prince Of Darkness (unpleasantly compelling, like much of Carpenter), I'm sure he's a lovely chap. I'm saying that this thread, chomping under angler fish bait, the illusion of a morsel of satisfaction, is a gaping maw drawing you in, endlessly swallowing you cliffdweller. You are In The Mouth of Madness (even more unpleasant compulsion). Reason cannot work against unreason.
I understand the compulsion. Look at me here. Just as futile.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by footwasher:
What should I believe, a straight idea from the Bible, part of an entire framework of solid, bullet proof Calvinistic theology or the politically correct, idealistic hopes of a dreamer?
Given that it takes a person firmly living in dreamland to imagine a "bullet proof" Calvinist theology...
Yes. And more gently, I think that's key to our problem here.
fwiw, I was educated, trained, ordained, and served in a Reformed (Calvinist) denomination for 20 yrs. Passed my ordination exams based in no small part on my knowledge of Calvin's Institutes. But even in my most Calvinist days, I would never have suggested that Calvinist/Reformed theology is "bullet proof" or even that it is a "straight" trajectory from the Bible. I'm not even sure Calvin would say that (as evidenced in part by the many, many revisions to the Institutes.)
This isn't the place for that debate, but I think the failure to recognize the debate itself-- to recognize the full marketplace of ideas all fully within orthodox Christianity-- to recognize that good, Bible-believing Christians see these things differently than you-- is the fundamental problem we're having here, and the crux of Le Roc's (and my) objections to the way you are using Scripture.
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Originally posted by Martin60:
If I may, no I'm not saying that footwasher is The Prince Of Darkness (unpleasantly compelling, like much of Carpenter), I'm sure he's a lovely chap. I'm saying that this thread, chomping under angler fish bait, the illusion of a morsel of satisfaction, is a gaping maw drawing you in, endlessly swallowing you cliffdweller. You are In The Mouth of Madness (even more unpleasant compulsion). Reason cannot work against unreason.
I understand the compulsion. Look at me here. Just as futile.
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Boogie: Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
One of my favourite verses, and I don't think I'm the only one. What I find interesting is that two out of the three recommendations involve my neighbour.
Also, it says 'your God' not God. I would say that as meaning 'what you know of God'. We all, including other faiths, have a dim picture of God. But, if we do the other stuff to the best of our ability we can't go far wrong.
In fact, do we need the rest of the bible at all - just this verse says it all ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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You're not wrong there Boogie.
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