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Apparently the row was about dinner.
The presenters' contract says they get a hot meal at the end of the day - which, since it is usually a 10-12 hour day with much of it spent outdoors, is not unreasonable.
The production team have known this for ages, but this time they managed to book a hotel where food service normally stops at 9.30pm and didn't make arrangements either for the chef to stay on or for food to be available elsewhere. Instead the crew were offered a cheese and cold meat platter, and Mr Clarkson objected.
If you had been looking forward to a hot meal after a day (it was cold, wet with snow flurries) spent shooting outside and were offered bread, ham and cheese, would YOU be delighted?
And since the production team had known about the problem for days, wouldn't you expect them to have made efforts to fix it?
Wrong to take a swing at someone - YES. Understandable that he was moved to want to - YES.
I'd call that a score-draw. Both parties in the wrong. Kiss-and-make-up and let the rest of the world get on with the more serious stuff.
Apparently. We just don't know. Even if it was the case then it doesn't justify assault on an individual. [In any event most filming has catering provided in the day].
Why not go somewhere else? Get a takeaway? Go on a diet - he's not exactly small is he?
As has been pointed out - in any other context this would mean a P45 possibly with Police Action following. And, yes - I've known it to happen ...
The worst part of all this? Everyone trying to excuse this ex public schoolboys boorish behaviour.
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Do some people really substitute "Vicar"?
I'm 49 and Canadian, and grew up saying "tiger." Only heard about the n-word version years later -- possibly as a teenager.
When my daughter started eeny-meenying I listened with horrified fascination until she got to the V-word. De Rigeur in all the best English school playgrounds, she tells me. Occasionally she substitutes 'Bishop', but then at the age of five she gave me a stern lecture in the bath as to what to tell the Archdeacon about my career prosopects so i'm going to go out on a limb here and say she's not had an entirely normal upbringing.
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I'd call that a score-draw. Both parties in the wrong. Kiss-and-make-up and let the rest of the world get on with the more serious stuff.
If you're equating not organising a hot meal for a multi-millionaire, and punching someone in the face... I'm kind of glad I don't work for you. Or with you. Or have to interact with you in RL.
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So much discussion around whether his faux pas are intentional or accidental. The essence of good bullying is to find ways to hurt people, put them down, make them feel small, that can be passed off as entirely innocent. The victim then not only has to suffer the original blow, but also be thought over-sensitive if they try to point out what's going on.
Clarkson is very popular. Bullies often are.
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Also, the idea that it's OK for people who work long hours to want to punch people who haven't made them a hot meal has been the excuse for domestic violence for years. Give it a rest.
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It's a petty frustration. The kind that most of us endure on a pretty regular basis. Frankly at the end of a long working day I'd be quite pleased to settle down in a hotel where I didn't have to clean up, cook my own dinner and feed the cats etc. I would also be delighted with bread and cheese but I recognise that my taste in food isn't (neuro)typical. It would never occur to me that I was entitled to punch anyone. It didn't occur to me to punch the letting agent when they ignored my boiler problems in the middle of winter. I didn't consider punching the BA attendant who told me that we might not be able to go on the flight we'd booked because it was overbooked. I simply don't have the level of entitlement to think that violence is an appropriate response to this kind of frustration, and I really think I'm the norm, not the exception, there. This is behaviour that parents are supposed to train out of you before you get old enough for your punches to hurt someone.
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I don't condone the punching either, but I agree with Clarkson feeling entitled here. That's because he is entitled. The hot meal in the evening is in his contract. He kept his end of the contract, the other people didn't.
That's different from me arriving in a hotel somewhere at 10pm and finding all restaurants closed. And it's also different from a husband who feels entitled to a hot meal when he arrives home.
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I don't condone the punching either, but I agree with Clarkson feeling entitled here. That's because he is entitled. The hot meal in the evening is in his contract. He kept his end of the contract, the other people didn't.
So that entitles him to chin someone?
No, he was on a final warning and even if he wasn't, hitting a co-workr is usually regarded as gross misconduct and a no-warning dismissal.
Even if you have a sense of "entitlement".
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Sioni Sais: So that entitles him to chin someone?
No, and if you had a shred of intelligence in your stupid brain, you would have read the first line of my post where I explicitly denied this.
What he was entitled to, is to that meal. Very much so.
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The 'eeny-meeny-miny-mo' thing: there are thousands of us out here who were taught the same rhyme because when we were growing up no one thought about it
I'm a year older than Clarkson, and remember, as a young child, my mother's shock at us using 'nigger' in the rhyme. As children we always substituted 'tigger' (as in Winnie the Pooh).
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Absolutely he was entitled to the hot meal. And returning to my petty frustrations: I was entitled to having a functioning boiler in the flat for which I was paying rent - that was also in a contract. The "sense of entitlement" I was referring to is the sense that you're entitled to act however you like when you don't immediately get the things you're supposed to have.
Yeah it would have been annoying not getting that meal. Particularly as it was in the contract. But I'd be amazed if it isn't the case that every single poster on this thread has been through greater discomfort and inconvenience than this due to someone failing to do things they were contracted to do, and nonetheless we all managed not to punch someone as a result.
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Sioni Sais: So that entitles him to chin someone?
No, and if you had a shred of intelligence in your stupid brain, you would have read the first line of my post where I explicitly denied this.
What he was entitled to, is to that meal. Very much so.
How the hell do you know he kept his end of the contract?
It's a guinea to a gooseberry that there are terms in that contract, or at any rate implied terms, that insist on good conduct. That would be backed up by the "final warning" which is supposed to have been in place.
It looks like he didn't behave himself, so where's your "entitlement" now, sunshine?
(FWIW I reckon Auntie will climbdown describing the whole affair as an "unfortunate misunderstanding" and reinstate the fat git)
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Sioni Sais: It looks like he didn't behave himself, so where's your "entitlement" now, sunshine?
That is later. What he is entitled to, is to being angry for not getting that meal.
I travel a lot, and it often happens that I arrive in a city late at evening, I'm hungry after a long travel, but all restaurants are closed. So I make do with the packet of crisps from my room's minibar. I don't like that, but sometimes that's life. From what I understand on this thread, this sometimes happens to other Shipmates too.
It would be very easy to tut-tut Clarkson based on this "If I can make do with a sandwich, then who is he to get angry about this?"
But what does make a big difference to me, is that the hot meal is in his contract. When I arrive late in a city, if it is in my contract that I would get a hot meal and I wouldn't receive it, I would react differently. I wouldn't punch someone on the nose (only in my thoughts), but I would require justification and possibly compensation. And it is very probable that when arriving in a room and just seeing a sandwich, my first reaction would be anger.
Clarkson isn't entitled to punch someone. But he's very much entitled to his anger. And I completely understand that.
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On 'nigger', I also remember it as a name for dogs, most famously with Guy Gibson (Dambuster). It's even claimed that the code-word for success was 'nigger' in morse code. I believe that the film changed this.
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No, correction, the film (1955) kept nigger for both the dog and the codeword, but some TV showings of the film bleeped it out.
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Clarkson: it now transpires there was no hot food catering on set and Mr C complained about that on behalf of the crew as well as himself. He was calmed down with the promise of hot food at the end of the filming.
Then arrived to find no hot food available at the hotel, which is in the middle of the North York Moors National Park - in other words, in the middle of nowhere when it comes to finding food at 9.30 in the evening. The hotel brasserie stops serving at 8.45pm in the evening so any BBC employee who offered food after filming must have known it was a non-starter (sorry about the pun).
And it wasn't a punch - it was an 'air-punch' which is a bit like an air-kiss but without the pucker.
So: no one hurt but lots of people not fed.
NOW who says Mr C should go?
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Of course he's allowed to be angry. He's allowed to have whatever internal emotional state happens to occur. But if he manages those emotions with the impulse control of a toddler rather than a grown-ass man then he shouldn't expect to keep his job.
Have sharp words with the manager. Demand justification/compensation. Warn the producer that this is unacceptable and demand to know how they're going to make sure it doesn't happen again. Do any of the many things that reasonable adults do in this kind of situation. Nobody's saying that he has to say "sandwiches! Hurrah!"
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And it wasn't a punch - it was an 'air-punch' which is a bit like an air-kiss but without the pucker.
So: no one hurt but lots of people not fed.
NOW who says Mr C should go?
A swing and a miss is still a swing. Try it next time you're in a night club. I'm sure the door staff will understand.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Clarkson: it now transpires there was no hot food catering on set and Mr C complained about that on behalf of the crew as well as himself. He was calmed down with the promise of hot food at the end of the filming.
Then arrived to find no hot food available at the hotel, which is in the middle of the North York Moors National Park - in other words, in the middle of nowhere when it comes to finding food at 9.30 in the evening. The hotel brasserie stops serving at 8.45pm in the evening so any BBC employee who offered food after filming must have known it was a non-starter (sorry about the pun).
And it wasn't a punch - it was an 'air-punch' which is a bit like an air-kiss but without the pucker.
So: no one hurt but lots of people not fed.
NOW who says Mr C should go?
Both parties are going to spin a story that's going to put them in the best possible light. Winning the PR war is far more important than what actually happened. Particuarly as the presenter's contracts are up for renewal. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I'm astonished that anyone could think that pretending to hit someone, for whatever reason, is acceptable behaviour. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Clarkson: it now transpires there was no hot food catering on set and Mr C complained about that on behalf of the crew as well as himself. He was calmed down with the promise of hot food at the end of the filming.
Then arrived to find no hot food available at the hotel, which is in the middle of the North York Moors National Park - in other words, in the middle of nowhere when it comes to finding food at 9.30 in the evening. The hotel brasserie stops serving at 8.45pm in the evening so any BBC employee who offered food after filming must have known it was a non-starter (sorry about the pun).
And it wasn't a punch - it was an 'air-punch' which is a bit like an air-kiss but without the pucker.
So: no one hurt but lots of people not fed.
NOW who says Mr C should go?
As things stand, still me. Threatened violence is also completely unacceptable in a scenario like this.
Secondly - your information comes from where?
Thirdly - Hawes (where I gather this happened) is nowhere near the NYM National Park. it's in the Dales.
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Clarkson: it now transpires there was no hot food catering on set and Mr C complained about that on behalf of the crew as well as himself. He was calmed down with the promise of hot food at the end of the filming.
Then arrived to find no hot food available at the hotel, which is in the middle of the North York Moors National Park - in other words, in the middle of nowhere when it comes to finding food at 9.30 in the evening. The hotel brasserie stops serving at 8.45pm in the evening so any BBC employee who offered food after filming must have known it was a non-starter (sorry about the pun).
And it wasn't a punch - it was an 'air-punch' which is a bit like an air-kiss but without the pucker.
So: no one hurt but lots of people not fed.
NOW who says Mr C should go?
Both parties are going to spin a story that's going to put them in the best possible light. Winning the PR war is far more important than what actually happened. Particuarly as the presenter's contracts are up for renewal.
I'm astonished that anyone could think that pretending to hit someone, for whatever reason, is acceptable behaviour.
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Because it's Clarkson, who "everybody" likes. It's exactly the same reason the bullying shits who made my school life a fucking misery had a free pass - because the teachers liked them because they were "good sportsmen".
Or cunts, as I prefer to say.
(Disclaimer - I'm sure there are top sportsmen who are salts of the earth, brilliant people, wonderful etc. etc. It's just that virtually all the talented sportsmen I knew at school were bullying cunts.)
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Have sharp words with the manager.
It's got nothing to do with the manager. It's not the hotel's fault at all. Small hotels do not, and are not expected to, keep their chef hanging around all night on the off chance that someone comes in hungry.
It's clear that whatever gopher is responsible for making the arrangements for food is no good at his job. That gives Clarkson the right to be angry, to yell at the responsible party, and maybe to have him fired for incompetence. "Have some Wensleydale, Grommit?" really won't do at the end of a long day.
None of this gives Clarkson the right to hit anyone. (My employer had a somewhat similar case a couple of years ago. One of our most competent guys got into an argument with a rather less-than-stellar fellow worker. Competent was frustrated because he was trying to get his work done (long days, difficult conditions) and Useless was being a general hindrance, failing to provide the necessary equipment, and generally failing to do any useful work whatsoever.
In the course of an argument, Competent hit Useless. Competent was sent home, and three days later was escorted to his area with a small cardboard box.
(We don't employ Useless any more either, but it takes rather longer to get rid of people for bad performance. It's unfortunate that we had to get rid of Competent - he was better at his job than most of our remaining people - but punching people is pretty non-negotiable.)
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According to James May, on Pyx_e's linked article he was "blind drunk" when the dust up happened. Which indicates, my dear Watson, that they had been back at the hotel for a bit before enquiring about the possibility of hot food. Whilst I can see that it would be galling to miss one's chance of a decent meal because one was in the bar getting plastered, whilst steak and chips o'clock slipped silently past, it's not really grounds for handbags at six paces.
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And that, comrades, is how you deal with violence and incompetence in the workplace.
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I'm still bewildered by the concept of an "air punch" which is "just like an air kiss".
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I'm still bewildered by the concept of an "air punch" which is "just like an air kiss".
I had a boyfriend who punched me in the face while, so he claimed, "jokingly" swinging a fist because he didn't like a meal I'd made.
Ha ha ha.
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Yeah, my thinking is that any kind of punch-like gesture, even if the fist doesn't make contact, is going to come across as pretty damn intimidating when it comes from a guy who's well over six feet tall, used to getting his own way, and visibly angry.
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I'm still bewildered by the concept of an "air punch" which is "just like an air kiss".
It's like an air Glasgow kiss.
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Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
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Originally posted by Liopleurodon:
I'm still bewildered by the concept of an "air punch" which is "just like an air kiss".
I had a boyfriend who punched me in the face while, so he claimed, "jokingly" swinging a fist because he didn't like a meal I'd made.
Ha ha ha.
Ha.
Ouch! I wonder if some people's response would be different if it had been a female producer.
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I wonder if some people's response would be different if it had been a female producer.
Or, indeed, if it had been the producer who threw the punch. I'm sure there would have been plenty lining up to say Clarkson was a boorish oaf who utterly deserved it had that been the case...
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
I wonder if some people's response would be different if it had been a female producer.
Or, indeed, if it had been the producer who threw the punch. I'm sure there would have been plenty lining up to say Clarkson was a boorish oaf who utterly deserved it had that been the case...
Except of course that isn't what happened and we only have your fantasy-land to trust that that's what would have happened.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
I wonder if some people's response would be different if it had been a female producer.
Or, indeed, if it had been the producer who threw the punch. I'm sure there would have been plenty lining up to say Clarkson was a boorish oaf who utterly deserved it had that been the case...
The only possible doubt has to be whether Clarkson is a boorish oaf or merely an ordinary guy who makes a very good living from portraying a boorish oaf.
To borrow a phrase that will be heard in pubs up and down the land tomorrow "Leave 'im alone. E's not worth it".
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Clarkson did punch Piers Morgan; many people seemed to rejoice.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Clarkson: it now transpires there was no hot food catering on set and Mr C complained about that on behalf of the crew as well as himself. He was calmed down with the promise of hot food at the end of the filming.
Then arrived to find no hot food available at the hotel, which is in the middle of the North York Moors National Park - in other words, in the middle of nowhere when it comes to finding food at 9.30 in the evening. The hotel brasserie stops serving at 8.45pm in the evening so any BBC employee who offered food after filming must have known it was a non-starter (sorry about the pun).
And it wasn't a punch - it was an 'air-punch' which is a bit like an air-kiss but without the pucker.
So: no one hurt but lots of people not fed.
NOW who says Mr C should go?
Oh threatening behaviour lowers the stakes from assault does it?
I think Master Clarkson needs sending to bed early, after a stint on the naughty step. Oh, don't give him his cocoa either. bad, bad, boy
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Mr Nen reckons it might be a conspiracy. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) The Top Gear contracts are up for renewal shortly so the Beeb engineered a situation to put Clarkson in the black book so they can negotiate keeping him on, but more cheaply.
We watch Top Gear. It's silly and often irritating but the chemistry between the three of them can be good fun. It's also one of the few things Mr Nen and I watch together, and when the Nenlets were at home it was family viewing. For me, the dynamic of watching it with them is the only thing I enjoy. I realised this when I was on my own one evening and turned it on out of habit. Within minutes I was thinking "Wtf?" and turning it off again.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Clarkson did punch Piers Morgan; many people seemed to rejoice.
That was rather like the Mohammed Fayed v Neil Hamilton libel trial. No one minded so long as someone lost.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Clarkson did punch Piers Morgan; many people seemed to rejoice.
And it is wrong to rejoice at that, even though Morgan is a massive knob.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
... Some stats show a 40% female audience, maybe they like cars.
Or maybe we like James May.
(And cars )
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Tubbs
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
I wonder if some people's response would be different if it had been a female producer.
Or, indeed, if it had been the producer who threw the punch. I'm sure there would have been plenty lining up to say Clarkson was a boorish oaf who utterly deserved it had that been the case...
True. Actually, if you ignore the fact it's Clarkson / Another Famous Person what it really boils down to is that at an offsite there is a disagreement between two colleagues that turns nasty. Getting confirmation of exactly what happened is difficult, but it seems that one threw a punch at the other. On further investigation, the person who threw the punch is on a final warning due to other issues.
I know how that would be likely to go at my workplace.
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[ 12. March 2015, 19:15: Message edited by: Tubbs ]
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mark_in_manchester
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The BBC should let him go; the show has a strong format; a strong presenting team who could do well without the presence of the supposed main anchor; and it has been around for long enough that an injection of new talent - or perhaps regular injections of new talent - could revitalise something which might otherwise begin to flag.
Rather like 'Have I Got News For You' when Angus Deayton was sacked, I suggest weekly guest presenters. Of course, just as HIGNFY works best when the guest presenter resembles to some degree their witty, urbane predecessor, some care will be needed to choose the right people to host.
I suggest wk 1, Nigel Farrage; wk2, Boris Johnson. Your suggestions for wk3?
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I'd like to welcome all the BBC board members who have joined us down here for this discussion, and thank them for publicly sharing how they'll be voting on this matter.
I'm sure that all of our regular Shipmates who are completely powerless and therefore understand that their opinion on this subject is essentially valueless will give you their full attention, instead of rabbiting on with their usual inflated sense of self-importance.
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Your suggestions for wk3?
not the two wk'ers you suggested for wk 1 and 2.
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested Steve Coogan
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Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
I suggest wk 1, Nigel Farrage; wk2, Boris Johnson.
Is it possible to make sure they test drive some ridiculously over-powered sports car and have some form of nasty accident? Now, don't get me wrong - not something fatal, or that wrecks an expensive toy - I think shitting themselves, with May and Hammond making sure it's mentioned every conceivable opportunity through the rest of the programme, would suffice.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Spike:
I'm surprised nobody has suggested Steve Coogan
Someone already has (he's mentioned quite a way down the article, between Vicki Butler-Henderson and Piers Morgan).
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There's a change.org petition to replace Jeremy Clarkson with Julian Clary....
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That would be brilliant!
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Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
The BBC should let him go;
I disagree.
Fire him.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'd like to welcome all the BBC board members who have joined us down here for this discussion, and thank them for publicly sharing how they'll be voting on this matter.
I'm sure that all of our regular Shipmates who are completely powerless and therefore understand that their opinion on this subject is essentially valueless will give you their full attention, instead of rabbiting on with their usual inflated sense of self-importance.
If it were not for that the Ship would be a very quiet place indeed.
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