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Though, on the basis that he's not an idiot, the nature of some of that personal following might actually be troubling, rahter than reassuring.
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Troubling to the rest of us, if not to him...
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That he has any sort of personal following is deeply troubling to me.
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Well he is the high priest of Chav so he is bound to.
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Further speculation on a replacement for Clarkson ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Perfect!
Trouble is, I'm now depressed. The Smudgelet hasn't even heard of him.
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Originally posted by Smudgie:
Trouble is, I'm now depressed. The Smudgelet hasn't even heard of him.
And who failed to show him those old cartoons?
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Originally posted by Smudgie:
Trouble is, I'm now depressed. The Smudgelet hasn't even heard of him.
And who failed to show him those old cartoons?
Bastard TV companies who put things on like Wacy Races on after you've packed the kids off to bed. That and bastard DVD companies who didn't release them at a time when the child was at the right age for sharing. (I did manage to sneak Bagpuss and the Clangers into the Tubblet's childhood though).
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I see that North Yorkshire police have concluded their investigations, and no charges will follow. Presumably that means that they don't consider anyone else was affected other than Oisin Tymon, who decided not to press charges, and the behaviour didn't breach any public order offenses.
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Aaaaaand he's back (HIGNFY)
[Father Jack] Why is that gobshite on the television again? Is he never off? [/Father Jack]
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"You can't keep a good man down", or so they say.
Clearly the same applies to a twat.
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Have the BBC learned nothing?
Looks rather like a put up job to me.
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The bbc don’t make HIGNFY they buy it from the company that makes it, Clarkson has been a presenter before and was already booked to make this one.
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I may be wrong but:
- I didn't think that Clarkson was actually sacked from "Top Gear". They just said that they wouldn't renew his contract.
- I suspect that his HIGNFY appearance comes under a separate contract. If they pull him from it now he could cost them a lot of money.
- If the Police had pressed charges, things might have been different.
I certainly won't be watching that night. And I suspect that Hislop and Merton will run rings round him.
[Cross-posted with comment above].
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HIGNFY do have a history of bringing in people who have recently been in the news, usually for doing something stupid. And, for Hislop and Merton to mock them mercilessly, constantly making reference to what they did, etc.
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
I didn't think that Clarkson was actually sacked from "Top Gear". They just said that they wouldn't renew his contract.
That is technically accurate. But, I suppose for most people with a contract renewal coming up, and being given every indication that it would be renewed, not having the contract renewed (especially with less than the normal period of notice for termination of employment) would feel very much like being sacked.
Of course, Clarkson isn't most people. For most of us expecting a contract renewal to suddenly find ourselves out of work in a month, without having looked for alternative employment let alone having anything lined up, would be a significant hardship. Now where's the mortgage coming from? How will I afford heating and food on the dole? These are big issues.
Clarkson, of course, has no such worries. Not only is he obscenely rich anyway. But, he's already got a stage show tour lined up and a HIGNFY gig.
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
HIGNFY do have a history of bringing in people who have recently been in the news, usually for doing something stupid. And, for Hislop and Merton to mock them mercilessly, constantly making reference to what they did, etc.
As they did with their very own Angus Deayton.
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I suppose it depends when the episode was recorded.
We can hope that everyone else on the program will be wearing riot assault gear - just for fun of course.
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It won't have been recorded yet. To make the show as topical as possible, they record on Thursday, ready for editing and transmission on the Friday.
[ 09. April 2015, 10:36: Message edited by: Baptist Trainfan ]
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Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Further speculation on a replacement for Clarkson
Or the Slag Brothers. At least the political opinions will be more up to date than Clarkson's.
What exactly have someone's political opinions got to do with their suitability for appearing in a show about cars?
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If Top Gear were just about cars, we would not be having this discussion.
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What else is it about then?
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You've never watched it? Or are you being disingenuous? Next you'll claim X-Factor is about music.
Cars are the excuse. It is about a middle-aged twat and his sycophant pals.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You've never watched it? Or are you being disingenuous? Next you'll claim X-Factor is about music.
Cars are the excuse. It is about a middle-aged twat and his sycophant pals.
I've never watched it as I can't stand that middle-aged twat and his sychopantic pals..
I'm not that interested in cars either...
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I love cars. Could talk about them for hours.
And I would be lying if I said there was never anything about Top Gear I liked. Just that the bad, and the mediocre, far outweighs the good.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
[QUOTE]What exactly have someone's political opinions got to do with their suitability for appearing in a show about cars?
Considering Clarkson's vendetta against environmentally friendly and/or fuel efficient cars and his condemnation of anyone who promotes environmental issues, I'd say his political opinions are entirely relevant.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You've never watched it? Or are you being disingenuous? Next you'll claim X-Factor is about music.
Yes, I've watched it. Seems pretty much about cars to me. Sure, there's entertainment to be had from the interactions of the hosts, but that's not the primary purposely the show as far as I can see.
And yes, X-Factor is about music. Or about people who sing to varying degrees of ability, anyway.
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Cars are the excuse. It is about a middle-aged twat and his sycophant pals.
You're only saying that because you don't like him, and therefore see only the negative things about him.
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
What exactly have someone's political opinions got to do with their suitability for appearing in a show about cars?
Considering Clarkson's vendetta against environmentally friendly and/or fuel efficient cars and his condemnation of anyone who promotes environmental issues, I'd say his political opinions are entirely relevant.
So am I to conclude that your position is that anyone who doesn't agree with you about environmental issues shouldn't be considered suitable to appear in a show about cars?
Are there any other political views that you think should cause someone to be barred from employment in the televisual industry?
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I don't think Top Gear is mainly about cars. I think it was - with Clarkson and co - mainly about Clarkson and Co's opinion of, and adventures with, cars. Which is something else.
I suppose some people thought the weekly segment of blowing up caravans, or attaching a ridiculously souped-up engine onto a Reliant Robin was funny. I know I laughed a bit. And it was kind of entertaining to watch celebrities earn a fee by driving round a race-track in some car or other. A bit interesting, on a slow day. to find out that some premier league footballer could go round Silverstone quicker in a Lexus, than some soap star in a Vauxhall Zafira. But I don't think very much of this could've honestly been described as being about the cars themselves.
If my decrepit memory serves me right, it was more about the cars when Angela Rippon hosted the show; when a true magazine format was used, for those seriously interested in shopping for a decent motor. And as I recall the BBC sacked her from Top Gear because she - what was it? - did something on ITV. The morning breakfast show, or something?
Of course, as with everything else, it's money that talks. And I'm sure Angela's programme didn't net the big bucks that Clarkson's fun-packed escapades on four wheels did! I don't think serious car consumerism is ever going to trump populist entertainment.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
What exactly have someone's political opinions got to do with their suitability for appearing in a show about cars?
Considering Clarkson's vendetta against environmentally friendly and/or fuel efficient cars and his condemnation of anyone who promotes environmental issues, I'd say his political opinions are entirely relevant.
So am I to conclude that your position is that anyone who doesn't agree with you about environmental issues shouldn't be considered suitable to appear in a show about cars?
Are there any other political views that you think should cause someone to be barred from employment in the televisual industry?
No to both questions. I was simply replying to your post that asked what a person's political views had to do with presenting a motoring programme.
However, now you've mentioned it, if the main presenter of a current affairs programme had such an obvious bias towards one side or the other they probably wouldn't last very long.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Yes, I've watched it. Seems pretty much about cars to me. Sure, there's entertainment to be had from the interactions of the hosts, but that's not the primary purposely the show as far as I can see.
So, then, what have you learned about cars from the show? Super cars are fast, cheap cars are cheap and the hosts hate caravans? I'd wager, if you've watched more than a couple of episodes, you could answer more general questions about Clarkson than any of the motors featured. Wheeler Dealers features more info on cars and I would still say it is a personality show more than anything.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
And yes, X-Factor is about music. Or about people who sing to varying degrees of ability, anyway.
It is a freak show and a popularity contest. If Cowell's father had been a grocer rather than a music industry exec, the show would feature produce.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Cars are the excuse. It is about a middle-aged twat and his sycophant pals.
You're only saying that because you don't like him, and therefore see only the negative things about him.
Yes, you've found me out, I am ever so shallow.
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Please God, no.
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Yeah, that would be horrible. She's nothing like a Top Gear host. She's funny, intelligent....
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Personally I think the idea of replacing Loudmouth Clarkson with a woman is quite inspired.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Personally I think the idea of replacing Loudmouth Clarkson with a woman is quite inspired.
A woman would be good, but that would be the wrong woman.
Don't replace Clarkson, and forget about May and Hammond too because they are utterly dependent on him.
After a decent interval, say eighteen months, put another show on. Include some old favourite features, but ditch the laddishness.
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Originally posted by Spike:
I was simply replying to your post that asked what a person's political views had to do with presenting a motoring programme.
My post was about how such views affect the person's suitability to present the programme. If there is such an effect then it follows that certain views will render one unsuitable for the task.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
... that would be the wrong woman ...
She would indeed, but as she's a lesbian, they could tick two PC boxes for the price of one ... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
(Am I allowed to say that in Hell? If not, then my apologies).
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This is not about "PC". Clarkson had more warnings than nearly anyone else would be allowed without getting sacked. He hit someone, in a situation he himself caused. Regardless on your views of his words, he needed to go.
The BBC do not need to go for PC, all they need do is get someone who is not as much an arse as Clarkson.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Yes, I've watched it. Seems pretty much about cars to me. Sure, there's entertainment to be had from the interactions of the hosts, but that's not the primary purposely the show as far as I can see.
So, then, what have you learned about cars from the show? Super cars are fast, cheap cars are cheap and the hosts hate caravans? I'd wager, if you've watched more than a couple of episodes, you could answer more general questions about Clarkson than any of the motors featured. Wheeler Dealers features more info on cars and I would still say it is a personality show more than anything.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
And yes, X-Factor is about music. Or about people who sing to varying degrees of ability, anyway.
It is a freak show and a popularity contest. If Cowell's father had been a grocer rather than a music industry exec, the show would feature produce.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Cars are the excuse. It is about a middle-aged twat and his sycophant pals.
You're only saying that because you don't like him, and therefore see only the negative things about him.
Yes, you've found me out, I am ever so shallow.
We live in an area close to two football training grounds - one league, one premiership. One of the games we play to make the journey times pass more quickly is the "spot a sports car game". Due to a fairly high proportion of footballers, the hit rate is quite high.
Thanks to Top Gear, I can now name actual supercars rather than just squeak, "A thingy ... That's a thingy". I still particularly proud of the day I recognised a Noble as it shot past us. Hammond had been driving one a few weeks before.
Sue Perkins?! WTF?! Just ... No
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I agree, Tubbs - although I'm no petrolhead, there's something very satisfying about saying "Ooh look, a Ferrari/Lambo/Noble/Aston/whatever and knowing that I've got it right; I wouldn't have a clue if it weren't for TG.
LilBuddha, I think you misunderstood me - I didn't mean that Clarkson's sacking was anything to do with political correctness, but that Miss Perkins would fit with the BBC's politically-correct agenda.
My apologies if I didn't make myself clear.
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If they want baffled unpc insanity, how about Tom Baker ?
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Originally posted by Piglet:
but that Miss Perkins would fit with the BBC's politically-correct agenda.
Big assumption there Piglet. What evidence do you have that Sue Perkins - or Clare Balding - enjoy their success because they are gay rather than because they are good at being a presenter or commentator?
I think it is more the case that a person needs to be skilled at what they do, plus have an acceptable social persona. I agree that at one time being known to be gay would be a career stymie. And before that perhaps being divorced or having an affaire. That tolerance has gone up for gayness - and down for xenophobia or sexual predation - doesn't seem to me a bad thing.
OK, attitude change is not uniform across society, but would you really want the BBC to be at the Bernard Manning rather than the Sue Perkins end of the spectrum?
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Probably too old at 81.
I think the grandad persona would work quite well - May and Hammond could do the contests, he could do Little Britainish commentary from the nice warm studio and hanker for a Bentley.
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I can't stand him, and wouldn't watch the programme if he presented it, but YMMV. Having said that, I can't think who might be a suitable replacement for Clarkson.
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How about Rory McGrath, don't particularly like him but he might fit the ethos - or maybe Frankie Boyle ?
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Originally posted by Firenze:
What evidence do you have that Sue Perkins - or Clare Balding - enjoy their success because they are gay rather than because they are good at being a presenter or commentator?
I can't help thinking that Clare Balding is never off our screens because she happens to be married to a senior production executive at the Beeb.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
or maybe Frankie Boyle ?
He is much funnier than Clarkson, but....
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Originally posted by Spike:
I can't help thinking that Clare Balding is never off our screens because she happens to be married to a senior production executive at the Beeb.
The entertainment industry is riddled with nepotism. Always has been, always will be.
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lilBuddha
Where do we start with the wrongness in the last post?
1. Frankie Boyle is funnier: are you referring to his 'joke' about Madeleine McCann and Jimmy Savile? or the one about Jordan's disabled son?
2. I'd have thought the term nepotism particularly inappropriate, given its origin.
3. In any case, Ms Balding's partner left the BBC 2½ years ago.
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