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Firenze
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Any way, this is meant to be a thread about Bibliophile but I've found myself enjoying a tangential discussion with his more nuanced countrymen.
Despite the point of jbohn's original post being that bibliophile is not American?
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orfeo
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Minnesotans are thoroughly awesome people and it was a great regret that it didn't make the list of destinations when I was in North America.
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jbohn
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Minnesotans are thoroughly awesome people and it was a great regret that it didn't make the list of destinations when I was in North America.
We regret it, as well.
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Gamaliel
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I thought he was saying that Bibliophile was not from Minnesota, not that he wasn't from the US.
If I've got the wrong end of the stick and mistaken Bibliophile for a Tea Party style Republican American then I apologise.
Unreservedly.
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I think he is a Common-or-garden British Tory-boy.
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lilBuddha
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Different spellings for the same kind of fool.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Gosh. So why did I assume he was from the US?
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I don't know why did you? Normally I don't discuss personal information about myself on forums like this and I have been amused by some of the wrong speculation that has been going on. However it seems to be getting a bit silly now so just for the record I'm from the UK and I vote UKIP.
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mr cheesy
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
However it seems to be getting a bit silly now so just for the record I'm from the UK and I vote UKIP.
Well there's a surprise. You are also about 19 and studying politics/theology at a redbrick university, right?
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
I don't know why did you? Normally I don't discuss personal information about myself on forums like this and I have been amused by some of the wrong speculation that has been going on. However it seems to be getting a bit silly now so just for the record I'm from the UK and I vote UKIP.
Ah, that must be why the old moron-meter exploded when it saw your posts. More evidence that most 'kippers are racist and thick as a hod full of bricks.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Gosh. So why did I assume he was from the US?
And why did Americans assume he was a Brit? Because no one wishes to be responsible for producing him.
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Stercus Tauri
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Gosh. So why did I assume he was from the US?
I don't know why did you? Normally I don't discuss personal information about myself on forums like this and I have been amused by some of the wrong speculation that has been going on. However it seems to be getting a bit silly now so just for the record I'm from the UK and I vote UKIP.
Gosh gee whiz - I never met a real live, self confessed, practising and unrepentant Ukipper before. So you're not just a media hoax?
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Bibliophile posted:
I'm from the UK and I vote UKIP.
I can see it now with you in your armchair reading the Daily Mail and an Alf Garnett poster in the background.
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And why did Americans assume he was a Brit? Because no one wishes to be responsible for producing him.
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In fairness the USA has Donald Trump, Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz and so we should accept our fair share of muppets
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Gamaliel
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I apologise unreservedly to all US posters for assuming Bibli-oaf-fool was one of theirs.
I don't know what I can do to make amends.
Perhaps I should emigrate.
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In fairness the USA has Donald Trump, Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz and so we should accept our fair share of muppets [/QB]
Don't forget Kermit.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
However it seems to be getting a bit silly now so just for the record I'm from the UK and I vote UKIP.
Well there's a surprise. You are also about 19 and studying politics/theology at a redbrick university, right?
And a child of deano?
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Albertus
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That's a terrible slur. At least deano has a sense of humour.
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Gamaliel
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Minneapolis looks nice.
Will they give me a Green Card?
Having Deano a county or so away from here is bad enough. Sharing this island with Bibliophile is quite another level of Hell.
I'm sure Dante would have put him in the outermost layer or level of the Infernal regions.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Albertus:
That's a terrible slur. At least deano has a sense of humour.
Thinking oneself amusing is not the definition of a sense of humour.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I apologise unreservedly to all US posters for assuming Bibli-oaf-fool was one of theirs.
I don't know what I can do to make amends.
Perhaps I should emigrate.
Haven't they suffered enough?
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He doesn't have to emigrate to the US.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
That's a terrible slur. At least deano has a sense of humour.
Thinking oneself amusing is not the definition of a sense of humour.
No no, be fair ( I know, fair to deano? why? I must be getting generous in my old age). I've known him once or twice to turn things into jokes against himself. Bibliophile would never do that.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
That's a terrible slur. At least deano has a sense of humour.
Thinking oneself amusing is not the definition of a sense of humour.
No no, be fair ( I know, fair to deano? why? I must be getting generous in my old age). I've known him once or twice to turn things into jokes against himself. Bibliophile would never do that.
Moreover, deano generally posts offensively when he's pissed (check it: often after "stop tap" as we call it in Wales). Bibliophile OTOH is stone cold sober. Quite possibly not even old enough to drink legally, despite his protestations about voting UKIP.
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Albertus
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Hadn't noticed that about deano. I do have a horrible feeling that I might, once or twice, enjoy an evening in the pub arguing with deano, if there were some other more congenial people around too. But never with bibliophile (or even over a McDonalds Happy Meal or whatever is appropriate for his age).
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lilBuddha
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A dummy and digestive biscuits?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Albertus:
That's a terrible slur. At least deano has a sense of humour.
Bibliophile takes after his mother.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
That's a terrible slur. At least deano has a sense of humour.
Thinking oneself amusing is not the definition of a sense of humour.
They have a different "feel" to their posts. Bibliophile makes me want to punch something. Deano makes me want to take a shower.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Farley's rusks, even.
The digestive biscuits were for you. Bibliotool doesn't seem to be able to handle anything solid yet.
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Albertus
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You are so thoughtful ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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mousethief
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From the Styx thread about BPh's 8th commandment warning:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
Politics I can discuss in a more dispassionate way when I want to.
Ah, so it's just that he never wants to.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by mousethief:
From the Styx thread about BPh's 8th commandment warning:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
Politics I can discuss in a more dispassionate way when I want to.
Ah, so it's just that he never wants to.
How can one discuss politics when the commies suppress all reasonable debate?
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alienfromzog
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I've been watching this discussion with interest. Partly because I found some of sheer poverty of Bibliophile arguments strangely hypnotic but also because of a strong dislike I have of the appalling confluence that is often made between anything vaguely left of centre and communism. Horrific oppression has been done by unfettered capitalism at home and western foreign policy abroad in the name of fighting the evil of communism.
I thought about posting about Martin Luther-King's sermon on communism. Well worth a read, especially when you consider the time he was writing in. He makes no apology for communism but rightly points out why it appeals to the poor and vulnerable.
Then I learned something today. I knew the quote and for me it is the most profound and important description of the human condition. It is, of course, the doctrine of original sin (however you view that spiritually and scriptually).
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The line between good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through the middle of every human heart and through all human hearts.
What I didn't know, until today was who wrote it and moreover the context.
Writing whilst imprisoned by communists for political dissent, Solzhenistyn didn't write Communists are evil and therefore good must be on the side of those who oppose them, he penned those words.
Bibliophile, I think you should consider that. No one is denying the evils done by communism, it's simply that to leap to condemning anyone with the faintest connection is deeply flawed logic.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
He doesn't have to emigrate to the US.
John Calvin's Beard man, but we're not taking him here!
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
He doesn't have to emigrate to the US.
John Calvin's Beard man, but we're not taking him here!
You sent us Justin Bieber. You owe us.
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I don't think that Bibliophile cares about the evils of Communism. I'm not convinced that he gives a fuck about the people who were killed in its name or in the name of any other ideologies. It's just a childish little game of "let's rile up those lefties by calling everything slightly related to Communism bad and everything else good". But it ends up saying a lot more about him than about us.
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Sioni Sais
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Arguing with Bibliophile brings to mind a quote of Ed Koch, late mayor of New York. He said, with feeling, that "I can explain it to you, but I cannot comprehend it for you".
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
He doesn't have to emigrate to the US.
John Calvin's Beard man, but we're not taking him here!
You sent us Justin Bieber. You owe us.
We sent you Celine Dion. We're more than square.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
He doesn't have to emigrate to the US.
John Calvin's Beard man, but we're not taking him here!
You sent us Justin Bieber. You owe us.
We sent you Celine Dion. We're more than square.
Both are crimes against good taste. But you just might be showing your age by differentiating them.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
We sent you Celine Dion. We're more than square.
You can take her back, too. Call me when you send us someone --- what's the word? --- good.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
I don't think that Bibliophile cares about the evils of Communism. I'm not convinced that he gives a fuck about the people who were killed in its name or in the name of any other ideologies. It's just a childish little game of "let's rile up those lefties by calling everything slightly related to Communism bad and everything else good". But it ends up saying a lot more about him than about us.
There are quite a few posts here from lefties talking about how terrible the right wing is, how anyone to the right of David Cameron is the incarnation of evil and implying that anyone who supports right wing policies is either corrupt, stupid or ignorant.
Any yet when a right winger says some unflattering things about lefty thinking you assume its a wind up.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
I don't think that Bibliophile cares about the evils of Communism. I'm not convinced that he gives a fuck about the people who were killed in its name or in the name of any other ideologies. It's just a childish little game of "let's rile up those lefties by calling everything slightly related to Communism bad and everything else good". But it ends up saying a lot more about him than about us.
There are quite a few posts here from lefties talking about how terrible the right wing is, how anyone to the right of David Cameron is the incarnation of evil and implying that anyone who supports right wing policies is either corrupt, stupid or ignorant.
You should have no problem linking to an example then.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Arguing with Bibliophile brings to mind a quote of Ed Koch, late mayor of New York. He said, with feeling, that "I can explain it to you, but I cannot comprehend it for you".
I never find your posts difficult to comprehend Sioni Sais. Often highly pompous yes, difficult to comprehend no.
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Bibliophile: There are quite a few posts here from lefties talking about how terrible the right wing is, how anyone to the right of David Cameron is the incarnation of evil and implying that anyone who supports right wing policies is either corrupt, stupid or ignorant.
Not from me.
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Bibliophile: Any yet when a right winger says some unflattering things about lefty thinking you assume its a wind up.
It depends which standards you want to set for yourself. "Someone said that Cameron is evil, so I can do the same with the left wing" isn't a particularly high one.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Bibliophile: Any yet when a right winger says some unflattering things about lefty thinking you assume its a wind up.
It depends which standards you want to set for yourself. "Someone said that Cameron is evil, so I can do the same with the left wing" isn't a particularly high one.
Except that's not what I'm doing. I'm giving my honest opinions.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
I don't think that Bibliophile cares about the evils of Communism. I'm not convinced that he gives a fuck about the people who were killed in its name or in the name of any other ideologies. It's just a childish little game of "let's rile up those lefties by calling everything slightly related to Communism bad and everything else good". But it ends up saying a lot more about him than about us.
There are quite a few posts here from lefties talking about how terrible the right wing is, how anyone to the right of David Cameron is the incarnation of evil and implying that anyone who supports right wing policies is either corrupt, stupid or ignorant.
You should have no problem linking to an example then.
A couple of examples here
http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=recent_user_posts;u=00003330
http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=recent_user_posts;u=00014333
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Bibliophile: Except that's not what I'm doing. I'm giving my honest opinions.
And stupid ones at that. I guess that whether you're sincere or not about what you are saying here becomes a rhetorical question rather fast. Let me just say that I doubt it, and that playing childish games seems to be a more important motivator for you. What I can say is that I haven't seen evidence of any ability to analyse complex situations like the end of apartheid or Franco's regime, and also that I'm not convinced of your concern for the victims of various ideologies. The latter reason is why I called you here.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Arguing with Bibliophile brings to mind a quote of Ed Koch, late mayor of New York. He said, with feeling, that "I can explain it to you, but I cannot comprehend it for you".
I never find your posts difficult to comprehend Sioni Sais. Often highly pompous yes, difficult to comprehend no.
Do you know, I'm getting to like you. Admittedly, it's in the way that I like some small, yappy dogs who have the gift of boundless energy. The downside is much the same as they too piss and crap all over the place.
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As it happens, I don't make a habit of calling people fascist. I think that describing IDS as a fascist is to misuse the term - there is quite a distance between being uncaring and slipping into fascism.
But I do honestly believe that Biblophile is a fascist. At very least he is an apologist for fascism, but I believe his fascination with the politics of the strong, of making apologies for those who protect their chosen "master races" whilst denigrating those labelled as unworthy is characteristic of fascists.
There is a dramatic difference between fascism and Marxism, in that fascism is in and of itself an ideology of the strong, seeking to retain and perpetuate their unearned plutocratic status. In contrast, Communism is an ideology of the mass and exploited workers, seeking to get what they deserve in a world which only wants to put them down.
Which is why fascism can never be apologised for, whereas Marxism has some noble ideals, albeit ones which are very rarely realised.
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