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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
There's literally a whole board of people here who've come to the same conclusion as I have, based solely on what you've written here during your time on the Ship.
That may well be, but that's hardly surprising given that the vast majority of posters are liberal secular.
No, the majority of the posters are western Protestant Christians.
It's the same thing.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
the vast majority of posters are liberal secular.
No, the majority of the posters are western Protestant Christians.
It's the same thing.
You're an idiot.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
What's AO actually talking about?
A fear of kebab shops. I explained this earlier.
You're right; I do like the occasional Doner. Help! Help! I've been culturally imperialised!
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Albertus
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Here are some Western Protestant Christians:
WBC
The late Revd the Lord Bannside
St Helen's Bishopgate
LCMS
Secular liberals?
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Here are some Western Protestant Christians:
WBC
The late Revd the Lord Bannside
St Helen's Bishopgate
LCMS
Secular liberals?
Exceptions to the rule, that's all, but nobody can deny that for the most part it is true.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I'm quite happy to be a secular liberal anyway. We tried the alternatives, as a country, and didn't like them very much.
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
the vast majority of posters are liberal secular.
No, the majority of the posters are western Protestant Christians.
It's the same thing.
You're an idiot.
So are you. Go away!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Plplplplplplplplplplplplplplplplplplplplplpl!
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Gamaliel
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I think I'll add this to the quotes file.
[/QUOTE]You're an idiot. [/qb][/QUOTE]So are you. Go away! [/QB][/QUOTE]
C'mon, Ad Obscurantum, you can do better than that.
Sure, there's a distinctly western liberal tinge to the Ship ... perhaps that's got something to do with the fact that most posters come from Anglophone western countries such as the UK, USA, Canada, Australia (which is southern hemisphere but still western culturally) ...
If the Ship were based in the Balkans or Russia then obviously it would have a different flavour to the one it has now.
Like it or not, we are all living post-Enlightenment - for better or for worse we're going to have to get used to that.
Saying that all Western Protestants are secular liberals would be like saying that all Orthodox are phyletist xenophobes - or that those who aren't are the exception rather than the rule.
We can only represent or misrepresent you on what you post - and what you post tends towards the uber-conservative and the ultra-nationalistic ...
It's hardly surprising that you get called on it.
18th century Russia no longer exists - and even when it did there were nasty, yucky 'western' influences at court and even ... cue creepy music ... within the Church.
I can't say as I've noticed any particularly strong anti-Orthodox sentiment over here - either towards the peoples of the 'dispora' or to western converts to Orthodoxy - some bafflement perhaps, but certainly not hostility.
Nobody here is advocating that we welcome radical jihadism with open arms nor that we despise or throw out our cultural heritage. Heck, if you saw me on holiday you'd see me visiting old churches and cathedrals, historic Christian sites and so on far more than you'd see me wandering along a beach inflicting my non-photogenic physique on everyone ...
No-one's asking you not to proud of Finland nor asking you to abandon your Orthodox faith.
We are, however, asking you to stop acting like a twat.
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Gamaliel
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It's a perception, Ad Orientem.
Read your own posts and you might begin to appreciate why I've picked up that impression.
Unless, of course, I've picked up that impression because I'm sorely mistaken and am a liberal secularist masquerading as a Christian and hell-bent in undermining any sense of national identity across Europe as a whole.
I might certainly drop the 'ultra' and simply say 'nationalist' but you do seem a bit full-on.
I don't have a problem with patriotism or people being proud of their country or their heritage. Far from it.
However, all that can cross a line over into jingoism and xenophobia.
Our respective mileages may vary as to the point when that line is crossed.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Yet nobody calls him an economic migrant.
'Cause he gets a burn under a fluorescent light.
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Originally posted by le vie en rouge
I maintain that the only proper thing to put on a piece of toast is Marmite.
This does not make one British; it makes one a masochist.
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Gamaliel
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C'mon la vie en rouge - you should know that marmalade is just as acceptable as Marmite on one's toast.
My German friends are wild about it. They used to stock up on marmalade whenever they visited.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Yet nobody calls him an economic migrant.
'Cause he gets a burn under a fluorescent light.
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Originally posted by le vie en rouge
I maintain that the only proper thing to put on a piece of toast is Marmite.
This does not make one British; it makes one a masochist.
Back in the days when most of the establishment had been through an unreformed Public School system, again, they were much the same thing.
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Remind us again which party of ultra-nationalists you regularly vote for?
Nationalist, yes, but not ultra. Anyway, I won't be voting again as they have broken all their election promises.
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
There's literally a whole board of people here who've come to the same conclusion as I have, based solely on what you've written here during your time on the Ship.
That may well be, but that's hardly surprising given that the vast majority of posters are liberal secular.
If the alternative is your reactionary religiousity it's no surprise that secular liberalism is on the up. On hearing you I bet more people turn to Satan than away from him.
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Gamaliel
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Broken their election promises?
What were they? Deport all Muslims? Lock up all Freemasons? Brand all Protestants with hot irons?
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I never said I hated anyone
Protestants, freemasons, 'self-hating liberals', Jews, Muslims living next door to you... apart from them, and the continual mentioning of a white, Christian Europe.
All perfectly reasonable. Nothing at all 'Aryan' about that...
(edited to add, Jews, because, you know)
I've never understood how Germany, etc., bought into the blonde, blue-eyed Aryan propaganda. The high caste in India is Aryan. It's the dark-haired, brown-eyed (?) Germans who are Aryan.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I've never understood how Germany, etc., bought into the blonde, blue-eyed Aryan propaganda. The high caste in India is Aryan. It's the dark-haired, brown-eyed (?) Germans who are Aryan.
Some potty 19thC theory that decided the Urheimat* was in Northern Europe, rather than somewhere around Iran. After all, if you can have the British descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel, why not?
There was - still is - a lot of national myth making to establish that We are superior to Them.
*source homeland
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Here are some Western Protestant Christians:
WBC
The late Revd the Lord Bannside
St Helen's Bishopgate
LCMS
Secular liberals?
Exceptions to the rule, that's all, but nobody can deny that for the most part it is true.
{Raises hand.}
I deny it. America has lots of conservative Christians (Protestant, RC, Orthodox, other).
If you mean "secular" in the sense of not having an official state religion, lots of American Christians believe we were meant to be a theocracy, and the "Religious Right" keeps trying to set one up.
Some very conservative Christians believe that they should stay separate from Caesar, and that buddying up with the government goes badly in the end.
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Broken their election promises?
What were they? Deport all Muslims? Lock up all Freemasons? Brand all Protestants with hot irons?
First they claimed to be the party of the working class, but now they are in government they are making cuts which will hit the working classes the most. They said they would take a tougher line on immigration, but we now have a free for all at the border with Sweden. They're supposed to be eurospectic, but like their coalition partners they've let themselves be shafted by the EU.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I've never understood how Germany, etc., bought into the blonde, blue-eyed Aryan propaganda. The high caste in India is Aryan. It's the dark-haired, brown-eyed (?) Germans who are Aryan.
Some potty 19thC theory that decided the Urheimat* was in Northern Europe, rather than somewhere around Iran. After all, if you can have the British descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel, why not?
There was - still is - a lot of national myth making to establish that We are superior to Them.
*source homeland
As Alan Coren used to say, the Germans are tall and blonde, but not as tall and blonde as they think they are, especially when they're short dark Austrians with a sense of destiny.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Anyway, no one is ever going to accuse me of being a non-assimilating immigrant destroying French culture. My English habits are perceived to be cute, as are my occasional linguistic mistakes
Have you considered the possibility that the fact they find you cute is more to do with there only being one of you? I can't imagine your neighbours being so happy about it if there were several thousand of you.
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Anyway, no one is ever going to accuse me of being a non-assimilating immigrant destroying French culture. My English habits are perceived to be cute, as are my occasional linguistic mistakes
Have you considered the possibility that the fact they find you cute is more to do with there only being one of you? I can't imagine your neighbours being so happy about it if there were several thousand of you.
There being, of course, 200,000 of her in France.
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Gamaliel
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So what are you going to do now your political party has let you down, Ad Orientem?
Start your own? Join some kind of underground cell dedicated to combating the nefarious plots and conspiracies found in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'?
Or uncovering Masonic plots to destabilise Christian Europe?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
There's literally a whole board of people here who've come to the same conclusion as I have, based solely on what you've written here during your time on the Ship.
That may well be, but that's hardly surprising given that the vast majority of posters are liberal secular.
No, the majority of the posters are western Protestant Christians.
It's the same thing.
I am so glad I was not drinking anything when I read this.
I guess Jesus was a secular liberal as well, what with this penchant for helping Romans and talking to Samarians instead of waving a placard saying "Israel for the Jews".
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
What I do worry about if the ideology many of these immigrants are bringing with them, that being radical Islam.
I'm fascinated how "many" can be bringing "radical" Islam.
Because one of those words has to be wrong, by definition. To be "radical" you have to be unusual, not common.
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orfeo
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You know what? I'm simply not going to tolerate talk of "Christian Europe" anymore. Because the word "Srebrenica" just popped into my head.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Compared to Sweden and Norway, Finland has failed to grant land rights to the Sami, who are thus relatively disadvantaged and their culture more threatened by the dominant European cultures than in Norway and Sweden.
So at least AO comes by his xenophobia naturally.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Of course, what he hasn't told us yet is that both the Old and New Testaments were originally written in Finnish...
On golden tablets.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I read some stuff about this shortly after my last post, via a range of Wikipedia articles. Seems likely the Finns jumped across from Estonia at some point.
Yes, but are they Stoors or Fallohides?
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Then you either misunderstand me or misrepresent me.
And why would all these people misunderstand you?
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
There's literally a whole board of people here who've come to the same conclusion as I have, based solely on what you've written here during your time on the Ship.
That may well be, but that's hardly surprising given that the vast majority of posters are liberal secular.
We've seen how you abuse THAT term. I'm not entirely sure you know what it means.
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
You're an idiot.
So are you. Go away!
No, you're an idiot for thinking that western Protestant Christians are liberal secular. I am not an idiot for thinking you're an idiot. The tu quoque is an idiot's argument, so that rather supports my point.
I am no more liberal secular than you are. Except inasmuch as I'm not a raving xenophobe. Guilty as charged there.
Please also note that I have been here since 2001 and you since only 2013, making you a fucking culture-destroying red-eyed immigrant interloper. So bugger off, newcomer. Go back to wherever the hell your kind came from. We're trying to preserve true Aryan shippiness here and you're a radical mongrel.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
What I do worry about if the ideology many of these immigrants are bringing with them, that being radical Islam.
I'm fascinated how "many" can be bringing "radical" Islam.
Because one of those words has to be wrong, by definition. To be "radical" you have to be unusual, not common.
Not so. Second definition from googling "radical" is "advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform." Nothing about numbers there.
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orfeo
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And how many people go around actually talking in a meaningful way about "advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform"?
As opposed to complaining about the traffic disruption that will be caused by construction of a mosque down the road, in between posting pictures of cats on Facebook.
No-one ever gets described as "radical" unless they're doing something that is some distance away from what "normal" people are doing.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by orfeo:
And how many people go around actually talking in a meaningful way about "advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform"?
As opposed to complaining about the traffic disruption that will be caused by construction of a mosque down the road, in between posting pictures of cats on Facebook.
No-one ever gets described as "radical" unless they're doing something that is some distance away from what "normal" people are doing.
Nice goalpost shift. So you admit it's not by definition, but people just naturally don't tend to be that way.
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orfeo
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Note to self: be literal to the point of anal around mousethief. It saves time in the long run.
Example: When referring to "definitions", distinguish between "actual popular usage of language" and "what mousethief can find in dictionary"
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
So what are you going to do now your political party has let you down, Ad Orientem?
Start your own? Join some kind of underground cell dedicated to combating the nefarious plots and conspiracies found in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'?
Or uncovering Masonic plots to destabilise Christian Europe?
It's most likely that I just won't vote because what we're left with are neo-liberals and just plain old liberals. Now if there was a Christian socialist party I'd vote for them.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Note to self: be literal to the point of anal around mousethief. It saves time in the long run.
Example: When referring to "definitions", distinguish between "actual popular usage of language" and "what mousethief can find in dictionary"
But people don't use "radical" to mean "members of a small group." You invented that and are trying to glom it onto the word, and make fun of me while doing so.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Note to self: be literal to the point of anal around mousethief. It saves time in the long run.
Example: When referring to "definitions", distinguish between "actual popular usage of language" and "what mousethief can find in dictionary"
But people don't use "radical" to mean "members of a small group." You invented that and are trying to glom it onto the word, and make fun of me while doing so.
I said nothing about "members of a small group". I said "unusual" not "common". What does "unusual" mean?
I could say exactly the same thing about other words like "eccentric". The literal meaning of "eccentric" has nothing to do with membership of a small group, but you'd be hard pressed to explain why you were calling someone "eccentric" if they were doing exactly the same thing as the majority of the population.
You can't sensibly say that the majority of people are "cutting edge" or "avant garde" either. The music industry has, in recent years, attempted to define so many people as "alternative" that the genre is a very large one, but the original point was being different from the norm.
None of these involve literally declaring that a counting exercise has to be undertaken, but none of them are logically consistent with a usage that suggests that the majority of people are involved.
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Maybe it's just me, but watching orfeo and Mousethief wag their etymological dicks at each other is a lot more entertaining than reading anything Ad Orientum has to say.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Maybe it's just me, but watching orfeo and Mousethief wag their etymological dicks at each other is a lot more entertaining than reading anything Ad Orientum has to say.
Kelly, having teeth drawn would be more entertaining than reading Ad Orientum.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
So what are you going to do now your political party has let you down, Ad Orientem?
Start your own? Join some kind of underground cell dedicated to combating the nefarious plots and conspiracies found in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'?
Or uncovering Masonic plots to destabilise Christian Europe?
It's most likely that I just won't vote because what we're left with are neo-liberals and just plain old liberals. Now if there was a National socialist party I'd vote for them.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Maybe it's just me, but watching orfeo and Mousethief wag their etymological dicks at each other is a lot more entertaining than reading anything Ad Orientum has to say.
Participating in etymological dick-waving is a lot more entertaining.
...although, is it really etymological? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
So what are you going to do now your political party has let you down, Ad Orientem?
Start your own? Join some kind of underground cell dedicated to combating the nefarious plots and conspiracies found in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'?
Or uncovering Masonic plots to destabilise Christian Europe?
It's most likely that I just won't vote because what we're left with are neo-liberals and just plain old liberals. Now if there was a National socialist party I'd vote for them.
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Fuck off!
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Gamaliel
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Am I the only one who has noticed that Ad Orientum has told Mousethief to 'Go away!' and Karl Liberal Backslider to 'Fuck off!'?
Does this mean that because Mousethief is Orthodox he only deserves a polite school-playground brush-off as far as Ad Orientum is concerned - ('Ya boo! Go away poo-poo head!') whereas Karl being a self-confessed liberal and a backslider to boot, is given the full Anglo-Saxon works (or more accurately, Old Dutch) ... ?
Karl is clearly a Freemason and Zionist sympathiser.
For all that, perhaps Ad Orientum would like to explain how his xenophobia, chauvinism and strong nationalism (he's told me off for describiing it as 'ultra') is at all compatible with any form of socialism, whether Christian or otherwise.
I know we're treading into Godwin's Law territory, but the only form of socialism I'm aware of that corresponds to the kind of views that Ad Orientum appears to espouse is National Socialism ...
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But what would I know? I'm being manipulated by Freemasons and Zionists.
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Steve Langton
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by orfeo;
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To be "radical" you have to be unusual, not common.
If we're being thoroughly etymological, 'radical' means one of two things, which are nothing to do with unusualness or commonness.
One possibility is that you are going back to the root ('radix') of whatever it is - a near equivalent of the concept 'fundamentalist'. I suspect this might be Ad Orientem's prime meaning in his comment about 'radical Islam'; and arguably he is right to be concerned as in Islam it is the 'radical' form of the faith in that sense which does violence. coercion and jihad right back to the teaching and example of Muhammad supported by the Quran.
The other and more usual sense of 'radical' is that one deals with something 'radically' by a 'dig up the roots' or 'eradication' (note again the 'radix' root of the word) approach. Another relevant phrase would be 'root and branch'. Again this appears to be relevant to Islam which in its original taught-by-Muhammad form wants to adopt such a 'radical' approach to other beliefs.
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Ad Orientem
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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Am I the only one who has noticed that Ad Orientum has told Mousethief to 'Go away!' and Karl Liberal Backslider to 'Fuck off!'?
Does this mean that because Mousethief is Orthodox he only deserves a polite school-playground brush-off as far as Ad Orientum is concerned - ('Ya boo! Go away poo-poo head!') whereas Karl being a self-confessed liberal and a backslider to boot, is given the full Anglo-Saxon works (or more accurately, Old Dutch) ... ?
Karl is clearly a Freemason and Zionist sympathiser.
For all that, perhaps Ad Orientum would like to explain how his xenophobia, chauvinism and strong nationalism (he's told me off for describiing it as 'ultra') is at all compatible with any form of socialism, whether Christian or otherwise.
I know we're treading into Godwin's Law territory, but the only form of socialism I'm aware of that corresponds to the kind of views that Ad Orientum appears to espouse is National Socialism ...
But what would I know? I'm being manipulated by Freemasons and Zionists.
What I espouse is a better deal for my country. Exit the EU, tighter immigration controls, assert our Christian identity and have a fairer distribution of wealth among our citizens. That's all.
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Doublethink.
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So fuck your trade, massively restrict your economic growth and try to become mono-culture. Thay's all.
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
So fuck your trade, massively restrict your economic growth and try to become mono-culture. Thay's all.
The EU has held us back. We could save a load lots of money if we left as this article (in Finnish) suggests.
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Doublethink.
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Oddly enough, I don't read Finnish.
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Ad Orientem
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Try Google translate. It will give you an idea. Personally I think we should just ignore the Russia sanctions which would help our economy a lot.
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Doublethink.
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Putin annexed Crimea, if that action were consequencelss - what do you think the long term fall out is likely to be ? Has Finland not been invaded by Russia before ?
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Ariel
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I just tried Google Translate.
"Lamas have had in the past. They have come and gone."
The rest seems to be some boring stuff about leaving the EU. Or the EU leaving Finland. It's a bit difficult to work out which.
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