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Penny S
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Last night, so clear you could see the International Space Station sliding overhead (not while driving, obvs), all the *********** twits with fog lamps on under their badly adjusted headlights.

Visual purple takes 45 minutes to recover from bleaching after light exposure. 45 minutes!

My friend is sitting there beside me where I have pulled into the passing space to allow the oncoming ******** to pass me in the rural lane, whimpering "I can't see properly..." wondering if I have had a stroke or something. And then there is another one....!

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The women weaving all over the road in front of me with two small children in her car. When she stopped for gas I followed her into the gas station, thinking she might be ill. She was so drunk she could hardly stand up when she got out of her car. I informed her I was calling the highway patrol. At which point she called me many nasty names. I felt so bad for her children. I was asked to wait around while police called her husband to come get the children. When he arrived, he was mad not at his drunk wife but at police for arresting her. That was 3 years ago and I still think of those children.
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Hooray! The school run is over for a fortnight!

That takes at least fifteen minutes off my four mile bus journey every morning. I won't describe all the mummies as motoring gits but the excess vehicles clogs up the roads like chip fat does to arteries.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Got you beat there. We have one in Newport who rides like that on the wrong side of a one-way street.

Everyone knows that rules are optional for cycling. Kind of like how the rules about parking don't apply to you if you put your hazard lights on and just pop in somewhere for a minute.
Well, some are. Speed limits in the UK for example do not apply (with one or two exceptions down in That London).

Nor does the drink drive limit. It's illegal to ride whilst intoxicated, but that's a subjective call rather than the strict rule of the breathalyser.

An of course some one way streets have contraflow cycle lanes (often mistaken for parking bays by fuckwits in motorised tins)

[ 21. December 2015, 08:57: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

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I did once get some sarky comments from a couple of police officers when out on my bike. Doing a right turn just past a traffic control width restriction that included a central gap for buses. Because of oncoming traffic I needed to wait in the middle of the road, so went through the bus gate to stop where I wasn't likely to be hit by cars passing on my left. Seemed sensible to me, but apparently the police thought I looked insufficiently like a bus.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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What most traffic cops know about cycling can be written on the back of a postage stamp in thick marker pen, IME.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
What most traffic cops know about cycling can be written on the back of a postage stamp in thick marker pen, IME.

I was surprised they saw you, Alan.

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
Last night, so clear you could see the International Space Station sliding overhead (not while driving, obvs), all the *********** twits with fog lamps on under their badly adjusted headlights.

I certainly agree about the badly-adjusted headlights, it's a particular bane of mine. However I don't agree about the use of foglights: they shouldn't ever point into oncoming drivers' line of sight and they are very useful for seeing the edge of a country lane, often very indistinct due to mud and dirt.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
An of course some one way streets have contraflow cycle lanes

But most don't, but a lot of cyclists don't seem to understand that. For that matter a lot don't seem to understand that most two way roads don't have contra flow cycle lanes either or that pavements are intended for pedestrians.

Then, of course, red traffic lights don't apply to cyclists which is why they have a right to shout and swear at pedestrians who dare to walk out in front of them in a pedestrian crossing.

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Penny S
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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Last night, so clear you could see the International Space Station sliding overhead (not while driving, obvs), all the *********** twits with fog lamps on under their badly adjusted headlights.

I certainly agree about the badly-adjusted headlights, it's a particular bane of mine. However I don't agree about the use of foglights: they shouldn't ever point into oncoming drivers' line of sight and they are very useful for seeing the edge of a country lane, often very indistinct due to mud and dirt.
I'm seeing them used in other places - but they do dazzle, especially when in close proximity as in lanes, and stop me seeing the edge, and more importantly, the unfilled muddy potholes. Apart from that, here is the bit in the Highway Code about their use.


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Rule 236

You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.

Rule 226

You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).


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Then, of course, red traffic lights don't apply to cyclists which is why they have a right to shout and swear at pedestrians who dare to walk out in front of them in a pedestrian crossing.

Nor do they apply to motorists making (questionable) right or (illegal) left turns across bike traffic or pedestrians, as I was once informed by an SUV driver. Why, I fucking knew better than to walk across the goddamn street as she was turning!

I mean, I did have the walk signal, she had a red light, but who cares? She had steel on her side. Steel is real.

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I'd like to nominate for Motoring Git of the Year the fuckwit who backed his truck into us this morning on the way to work. He was turning in to the entrance which leads one way to the car-park, the other to a drop-off lane (where we were aiming for). For some reason he stopped, and so did we (we had no choice), but then he suddenly started reversing and had hit us before D. had the chance to reverse out of his way or even lean on the horn.

We'd been behind him for a few dozen yards along the road before he turned, so even though our car isn't very big, if he didn't see us, then he bloody well should have done.

The damage to our car was slight (but probably expensive), but what really pissed me off was that he broke the front number-plate, which is an old "cherished" Orkney number* that had been in my family for about 40 years and my dad gave me the plate as a keepsake when he gave up driving. I know we can probably get a replacement plate made, but that sort of isn't the point. [Frown]

* In Newfoundland, cars only have to have a rear number-plate; you can put what you like on the front.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
Then, of course, red traffic lights don't apply to cyclists which is why they have a right to shout and swear at pedestrians who dare to walk out in front of them in a pedestrian crossing.

Nor do they apply to motorists making (questionable) right or (illegal) left turns across bike traffic or pedestrians, as I was once informed by an SUV driver. Why, I fucking knew better than to walk across the goddamn street as she was turning!

I mean, I did have the walk signal, she had a red light, but who cares? She had steel on her side. Steel is real.

At least one can hear a car coming. Bikes are silent and in the dingy overcast we have in Newport they are invisible too.

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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
An of course some one way streets have contraflow cycle lanes

But most don't, but a lot of cyclists don't seem to understand that. For that matter a lot don't seem to understand that most two way roads don't have contra flow cycle lanes either or that pavements are intended for pedestrians.

Then, of course, red traffic lights don't apply to cyclists which is why they have a right to shout and swear at pedestrians who dare to walk out in front of them in a pedestrian crossing.

I wonder how the proportion of drivers who break 30mph speed limits would compare with the proportion of cyclists who cycle on pavements and go through red lights?

N= quite low, obviously, but of the people I actually know, the former is around 90% and the latter about 50%

I'm not entirely convinced anyone has a group right to fingerpointing.

The problem here is, and always has been, Fundamental Attribution Error - because most people are not cyclists, they can attribute bad cyclist behaviour to the perpetrators being cyclists. Because on the other hand most people are drivers, they attribute bad driving behaviour to the perpetrators being arseholes. In both cases, that way, they can say "but not me!"

My personal motoring gits of the year awards will always be shared between the twats who overtake me with about a foot clearance, in the mistaken belief that nearly killing a cyclist is less of a fault than waiting for ten seconds, and the ones who think that when they are turning into a side road they have priority over pedestrians crossing the end of the side road and should expect said pedestrians to wait for them.

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I think one of the problems with contraflow cycle lanes in one-way streets is that pedestrians often don't realise they are there, and step out into the road after looking the wrong way.

Even green stripes on the road don't necessarily give sufficient visual warning.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
At least one can hear a car coming. Bikes are silent and in the dingy overcast we have in Newport they are invisible too.

We have an electric car. Pheasants, cyclists and pedestrians using personal stereos, beware! [Devil]

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Now I'm imagining a pheasant with earbuds. It's much more amusing than it should be.

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quote:
Originally posted by JonahMan:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
At least one can hear a car coming. Bikes are silent and in the dingy overcast we have in Newport they are invisible too.

We have an electric car. Pheasants, cyclists and pedestrians using personal stereos, beware! [Devil]
Ahem - it's your heavy lump of metal. The primary onus is on you, since you're the one introducing the potentially dangerous object into the environment.

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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Kind of like how the rules about parking don't apply to you if you put your hazard lights on and just pop in somewhere for a minute.

I used to live in Plzeň in the Czech Republic. There was one street with two lanes in each direction and tramlines.

The tramlines ran down the inside lane (i.e. the lane nearest the kerb) - obviously, so that passengers didn't have to cross a line of traffic to get on or off the tram.

This meant that no motorist could park on the inside lane, because trams can't steer round them. So people solved this difficulty by abandoning their cars in the middle of the road, with hazard lights flashing, while they nipped to the shops.

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Originally posted by Ariston:
Now I'm imagining a pheasant with earbuds. It's much more amusing than it should be.

I just hope the pheasants aren't texting.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by JonahMan:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
At least one can hear a car coming. Bikes are silent and in the dingy overcast we have in Newport they are invisible too.

We have an electric car. Pheasants, cyclists and pedestrians using personal stereos, beware! [Devil]
Ahem - it's your heavy lump of metal. The primary onus is on you, since you're the one introducing the potentially dangerous object into the environment.
It wasn't a serious comment. (Though my wife did hit a pheasant which opted to scuttle across the road right in front of her, to the detriment of both bird and vehicle. As far as I know it wasn't wearing earbuds.)

The car actually makes an additional whining noise at low speeds (below 25mph) to warn pedestrians of its approach as it is quite quiet. At higher speeds, the noise of the tyres is warning enough, and also of course there are rarely pedestrians likely to be in the way when driving at higher speeds anyway.

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Plague take the brainless swine on an electric bike hurtling along the pavement inches from the shop door I was leaving this morning.

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The two women, in separate streets in South London, who pulled out from parking places as if joining the flow past them - without checking that there was a space or anyone had stopped to let them in, only to turn at right angles and then reverse to carry out three point turns through the traffic. The first one appeared to have done something similar before, as the side of the car facing the traffic was bashed in. It was the absence of the damage which made it clear that the second car was a different driver.
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quote:
Originally posted by JonahMan:
The car actually makes an additional whining noise at low speeds (below 25mph) to warn pedestrians of its approach as it is quite quiet.

My electric car frequently makes loud squealing noises. Plus leaves handy marks to inform others of my passing. I love instant torque.

At least, for the tiny stint between the daycare and my office when I'm not driving in Dad Mode™.

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I picked up quite a collection last night cycling into the Cattle Crossing,adorned with bright lights and a decent Christmas tree's worth of reflective jackets and bands. First someone pulled out of a side road alongside me, then a bit later on, someone slowed down for a pedestrian crossing, decided no-one was looking, and accelerated over with the lights at red, then on my way home another car tried the alongside pull-out as well.

I bet they get right up their arse about cyclists jumping red lights, too... I didn't jump it, before anyone says anything.

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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
I picked up quite a collection last night cycling into the Cattle Crossing,adorned with bright lights and a decent Christmas tree's worth of reflective jackets and bands. First someone pulled out of a side road alongside me, then a bit later on, someone slowed down for a pedestrian crossing, decided no-one was looking, and accelerated over with the lights at red, then on my way home another car tried the alongside pull-out as well.

I bet they get right up their arse about cyclists jumping red lights, too... I didn't jump it, before anyone says anything.

AG

I see your collection and raise you the utter cunch (collective noun for a bunch of cunts) who were driving down Handsworth Hill yesterday in Sheffield. It's pissing down, it's dark, the road is like the surface of the fucking moon, and it's an 8% downhill. As you can imagine, keeping a sensible stopping distance is a really good idea, since the already poor wet traction is made worse by the fact you're bouncing off the road surface half the time. But no, these utter tits insist on squeezing past me (doesn't matter where I sit in the lane, and I'm somewhat constrained by picking a line that isn't going to throw me off into a fucking crater), they're on my shoulder, squeezing by, only to then slap their fucking anchors on because of the line of slow moving traffic I am trying to keep a sensible distance from. Only time in five years commuting I've actually been scared enough to take a different route.

Fucking cunts, the lot of them. When I'm in charge, no-one will be allowed to apply for a driving licence until they've commuted 4000 miles on a bike. Only exceptions will be people who qualify for a blue badge.

I'm serious on that last one. Really.

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I think this chap qualifies for an award.

I have a TT. I know how it performs. If you are doing 95 in a 30 limit, there is NO WAY ON EARTH that you can control it, despite the fact that is unbelievable stability and handling. I think he should have been charged with murder, because this level of callous disregard for others is as dangerous as, say, setting fire to a building or driving down a street shooting randomly.

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Banned from driving for 15 years? Or 9 years, if he is released at half the 12 year sentence. Or 3 if he serves the full term.

He should be banned for life. Or only permitted to drive one of those scooters for persons of limited mobility.

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I think this chap qualifies for an award.

I have a TT. I know how it performs. If you are doing 95 in a 30 limit, there is NO WAY ON EARTH that you can control it, despite the fact that is unbelievable stability and handling. I think he should have been charged with murder, because this level of callous disregard for others is as dangerous as, say, setting fire to a building or driving down a street shooting randomly.

If it's any consolation I doubt he will get an easy life in prison. It might not be child molesting but on the "inside tariff" I reckon it will be fairly high.

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Originally posted by Penny S:
He should be banned for life. Or only permitted to drive one of those scooters for persons of limited mobility.

In many jurisdictions, including the one in which I live, only the motor vehicle administration, and not the courts, can revoke a license. In neither the deaths of Tom Palermo nor Tim Holden were licenses revoked.

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Originally posted by Penny S:
Banned from driving for 15 years? Or 9 years, if he is released at half the 12 year sentence. Or 3 if he serves the full term.

He should be banned for life. Or only permitted to drive one of those scooters for persons of limited mobility.

I think that driving bans now start on release.

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Which would clearly make sense. This fuckwit would be lethal on a Segway, let alone a mobility scooter.

I.

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Penny S
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I did consider a Segway, but I thought a mobility scooter would be more stable.
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Heavier, though - and more liable to do damage.....

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
He should be banned for life. Or only permitted to drive one of those scooters for persons of limited mobility.

Hm. That doesn't stop certain pensioners from speeding through shopping centres, zooming down supermarket aisles and doing top speed on pavements, while pedestrians, children and small dogs scatter. The elderly chap I saw a couple of weeks ago on the actual road was certainly doing his best to reach 30 mph.

(Never underestimate the elderly.)

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A couple of years ago a man was speeding around a local grocery store on his electric scooter and crashed into a highly-stacked display of bottled beer. You can guess the result.

Instead of reporting the mess to anyone he sped out of that aisle as quickly as possible!

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Ricardus
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There's a YouTube video somewhere of a mobility scooter modified with a motorcycle engine ...

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
I did consider a Segway, but I thought a mobility scooter would be more stable.

For me, the problem with a Segway is that I'd be leaning forward the whole time. Recipe for motion sickness and/or an accident.
[Eek!]

On TV shows, I've occasionally seen Little Persons using sort of a modified Segway that allows them to ride up higher, and not have as much difficulty getting around. ("Boston Legal" fans might remember when lawyer Bethany tried one of those out.)

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Ricardus
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I'm not sure if 'git' is quite the word for what I saw yesterday ...

A driver had pulled over on the hard shoulder of the M56. Someone had obviously told him that you should try to get all the passengers out of the car, but not which door they should go out through. [Eek!]

So there was a girl of about ten or eleven trying to life a baby out of the back seat, through the driver's-side door. [Eek!]

I.e. the door that was about a foot away from 70mph traffic. [Eek!]

Now I am no longer surprised that the death toll on the motorways comes largely on the hard shoulder ...

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...aaaaaaaaand the first Motoring Git of the Year nomination for 2016 goes to the bell end who pulled out of a layby on the A40 without looking as the London coach bore down on them at 70mph. I'm not quite sure how the driver missed them and still stayed on the road, it was the wildest swerve I've ever known a bus do, but he did, or I might not be typing this...

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I nominate the couple who pulled into a country lane this morning ahead of me - without indicating, naturally. The stickers on their rear window bore an address of a large town some 20 miles away.

Despite their vehicle being a four-wheel drive, they then proceeded to inch their way along the middle of the lane (which is wide enough for 2 lanes for all of its length) at a stately 15mph, coming to a complete halt where there were large puddles, and generally behaving as if their vehicle would melt if it got water on it.

If you're that concerned about standing water (none of it more than c 3 inches deep) that encroaches more than halfway across your lane, why are you driving down country lanes in one of the wettest winters on record.

In the meantime, it may be a Sunday morning but some of us are on our way to work and taking nearly15 minutes to drive barely a mile-and-a-half is OTT.

Good job I was planning a rehearsal before the service this morning - the singing may not have happened but at least I was there (just) for the start of the service [Mad]

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Originally posted by L'organist:
......at a stately 15mph, coming to a complete halt where there were large puddles, and generally behaving as if their vehicle would melt if it got water on it.

[Big Grin] Like it.

As for the car pulling out in front of a bus full of say.... 50 souls. One wonders if it wouldn't be justifiable homicide to plough straight into it as opposed to the bus driver swerving and putting passengers at risk?
Probably not, just a thought.

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Ah, the old Trolley Problem, although that deals with ethics rather than law.
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Penny S
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Not motoring - but I hope he doesn't ever take up a car. Cycling through Catford in a hoody. I thought he was signalling right at first, but he was zigzagging through the traffic queue waving both arms around higgledy piggledy, side to side, over his head, as if he were dancing.
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This guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-35291159 wins for today. Along with the fucking idiot CPS who charged this as a motoring offence instead of murder. How can driving deliberately at someone and killing them be merely causing death by dangerous driving? Can I get 4 years (out in 2 with good behaviour) for stabbing someone but only being charged with causing death by dangerous knife wielding?

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Penny S
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I think I could see the reasoning in that article. It fits with the stuff in the Express about not examining the behaviour of our troops in the field.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
This guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-35291159 wins for today. Along with the fucking idiot CPS who charged this as a motoring offence instead of murder. How can driving deliberately at someone and killing them be merely causing death by dangerous driving? Can I get 4 years (out in 2 with good behaviour) for stabbing someone but only being charged with causing death by dangerous knife wielding?

IANAL. But considering the bare facts of the case, the CPS has a very good case for an appeal. The maximum tariff for Death by Dangerous Driving is 14 years. The alternative charges (given the difficulty of making a murder charge stick on a doubtful intent to kill) of manslaughter or s.18 wounding could both potentially carry a life sentence.

I can imagine the CPS lawyers looking askance at the judge as he handed down the sentence.

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I have said for many years that if you want to kill someone and get away with it, use a car. I have also said that killing someone while driving dangerously should be at a level with murder.

This case, as it appears, was a clear case of deliberately causing the death of someone. If he had used a gun or a knife, he would have been on trial for murder, but instead, he used a car. I don't see any real difference.

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Marvin the Martian

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
How can driving deliberately at someone and killing them be merely causing death by dangerous driving?

I suspect the key reasoning behind it is the fact that he had already been tried and found guilty of causing serious injury by dangerous driving in relation to the incident, and was awaiting sentencing when the cyclist died. The courts couldn't try him for murder at the main trial because the cyclist wasn't dead, and they couldn't do it afterwards because of double jeopardy. All they could do was change the "serious injury" part to "death".

Even so, the sentence handed down does seem unusually lenient.

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