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Stetson
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by Stetson:
And of course, the UK has David Icke.
He may still be alive but he's certainly dropped completely off the radar. I don't think anyone's heard anything from him for years - though it's probably there if you actively look for it. No mainstream coverage, anyhow.
I'm sure you're right.
Icke is basically the equivalent of Alex Jones in the US. I think Jones has a bit of a higher profile(he turns up playing himself in Hollywood films occassionally), though nothing approaching mainstream acceptablility.
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Golden Key
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Errr...how did a thread to rage about the Paris attacks turn into *another* trash America fest?
And no, The Donald isn't enough of a reason.
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Again, my particularly take on things is irrelevant as they come from American meda. What is important is what the typical person understands. Telling me to attend to NPR or that I'm stupid not to go online to check it all out doesn't answer for the average person who looks at some trending idea or meme.
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Gamaliel
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I can't speak for No Prophet, but I'm not trashing America ...
I am surprised that No Prophet can speak at all, though, as his flag is clearly set so high up the particular orifice that he speaks out of that his words probably don't have room to emerge from between the cheeks of his butt.
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“The killing has to stop and world leaders must find a way forward that defeats ISIS using the weapon that these terrorists fear most of all, peace talks.
“There were signs over the weekend that those talks may now have some new foundation and I would encourage presidents and prime ministers to recognise that the drones cannot provide a solution and pick up the phones and find a way of halting this never ending circle of death.”
I thought this was a spoof quote when I first read it. Turns out to be true.
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And, why may I ask, have you shared that in Hell? Not that I object to the opportunity to read wise words. Maybe the Greens could win my vote back from Corbyn (at the moment I wouldn't say Labour, because I'm not convinced the party has seen the light and got behind Corbyn).
"We cannot let a handful of terrorists dictate ...", well it doesn't really matter what follows that phrase, it's a good thing to say. The terrorists win if we let them change us.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
And, why may I ask, have you shared that in Hell?
Presumably because he wants as many dead civilians as he can possibly squeeze out of this fuck-awful situation, and his tiny mind can't quite envisage a scenario where bombing the crap out of towns and cities isn't going to bring peace.
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Here's the kind of thing that gets represented as news and media online: "...selfie altered to look like Paris suicide bomber". This is an equal opportunity offence, this time by a Spanish news source, with the error pointed out by a Canadian one.
Gammy thinks she's cute liking my gams, but continues to miss the point that regardless of the sources of news online it is what people accept as truth. It isn't truth.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I can't speak for No Prophet, but I'm not trashing America ...
No, and you displayed a great deal of insight. (Meaning, of course, that you said some things with which I agree. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) )
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Maybe people are just starting to notice the inconsistancy in you aping the behavior you claim to despise. As for your dismissal of NPR, it only you prefer American news outlets that confirm your biases. Like Fox.
For the record Gam, he three words you mention have been so co-opted by assholes that they tend to give me the wilies, too, although i stared calling myself a patriot again when Ani DiFranco reclaimed the term.
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I am not dismissing NPR, they just aren't on the radar for the younger people who happen to have set me straight on where they get their info. Here in Canada, they pay a wee bit of attention to CBC as a standard news outlet, but seem to attend to headlines only, and all the rest is quick and short tidbits of sensational. That may be logically and internally and anally inconsistent with something of concern, but it does seem important about what passes for news and general public opinion.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I have noticed a propensity among certain Americans not to trust ANY news media - whether left, right or centre in ideology - and to for them to turn to whacko nut-job conspiracy theory websites instead.
I say 'certain Americans' because it's not a tendency I've observed among most American I know in real life - nor those I encounter virtually here aboard Ship. However, it does seem pretty common among Americans I come across through various social media outlets.
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I am in rare agreement with President Obama;
Jeb Bush saying that the US should only take Syrian Refugees who are Christian is shameful.
I keep finding it hard to decide which of the Republican Presidential Candidates is the least loathsome.
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molopata
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Looking at the field, I'm somewhat relieved that that is a decision I don't need to make.
As a furiner, I'll only have to bear the consequences if you get it wrong.
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Jonah the Whale
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Errr...how did a thread to rage about the Paris attacks turn into *another* trash America fest?
And no, The Donald isn't enough of a reason.
This thread has never really been for raging about the Paris attacks, except for La Vie en Rouge. From the first couple of posts it has been about romanlion and about how awful so many of us are in the West. Trashing America seems to me to be just another way for us to aim our rage at anyone but the sick bastards who carried out these attacks.
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Gamaliel
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The thing is, Jonah, whilst it's certainly true that the internet is full of trolls and nut-jobs - as I have helpfully been reminded here - one rarely comes across anyone so manifestly despicable as romanlion - so it's hardly surprising that this thread has veered from outrage at the terrible events in Paris and the sick bastards who carried it out - to observations about the kind of views that romanlion and his ilk tend to promote.
There's also been the matter of No Prophet's Flag Distorts His Farts reducing US public opinion to what's found on internet memes or on Fox News - and sure, a lot of people go along with that but as Kelly Alves, Ruth and others have been pointing out this doesn't mean that everybody does ... any more than it means that all British people believe The Sun, the Daily Wail and the Excess ...
So no, I don't accept that this thread has descended into a 'let's bash America' thread - rather it's become - inevitably - a clash between more liberal and more conservative types ... with various gradations between the extremes.
Romanlion is out on one limb ... way out on one limb. So way out I'm surprised it hasn't snapped.
As for No Prophet, all he seems to be doing is taking soundings from things he sees on-line or people he knows within his immediate circle and extrapolating that to suggest that everyone - or the vast majority of people - think the same.
He's done this before, I've noticed, on threads about evangelicalism (to take one example) when he assumed that evangelicalism the world over was exactly the same as the version he'd encountered within 200 yards of his own front door.
Sure, we can all do that to a certain extent with various pet peeves, but No Prophet specialises in it - to the extent that I no longer take him seriously.
I assume I'm the 'Gammy' he refers to, in which case I'm a he and not a she ... so he can't even get that right.
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mr cheesy
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FFS. Komensky and Steve Langton exist in parallel universes that are so populated by the ghosties of their own imagining that I'm surprised they can take time out from their crusade to hunt out a) Constantinian Christianity or b) the influence of Holy Trinity Brompton to wipe their own backsides, never mind engage in a sensible conversation.
Of course their analysis has some validity, but they both attack every possible conversation with the vigour of a rabid dog seeing the threat of a postman's leg.
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mr cheesy
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Originally posted by RooK:
John Oliver covers it best.
I saw that, but thought it didn't really deserve the publicity it generated in the media (Guardian, New Yorker etc all praised it almost instantly).
For one thing, it is a fucking stupid line of argument. The lives of the French are never going to be destroyed because they have a nice brand of cigarettes, a half-baked existentialist philosopher and some over-sweet confectionary? Have you heard of Vichy, John? Or do you think that these things have only existed in the time since you were in short trousers?
For another thing, I don't see the publicity for a cable channel praising Russia for having great vodka and potatoes in solidarity with their plane loss, or discussing falafel and humus in response to the attacks in Lebanon.
Maybe he did. Maybe John Oliver is an equal-opportunity satirist, but I'm pretty damn sure the NYer and Guardian didn't splash his words all over their website.
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Golden Key
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Re more variety in news sources:
Check out the many links at the bottom of HuffPost's front page.
[ 17. November 2015, 11:53: Message edited by: Golden Key ]
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Gamaliel
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What are you on about, mr cheesy?
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I don't see either Komensky or Steve Langton anywhere on this thread - it's got nothing to do with HTB for one thing and probably isn't Constantinian enough for Steve (although give him time ...)
As for the John Oliver thing - how literal can you get? It's satire FFS ... do you think he really believes that France will be saved by the ghosts of Jean-Paul Sartre, Edith Piaf, by iconic brands of cigarettes and cones of fancy pastries?
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You sound like the sort of person who'd read Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' and say, "This is disgusting, he's actually proposing that we eat Irish children ..."
Or like the Anglican bishop who is said to have had looked for Lilliput on his globe when 'Gulliver's Travels' came out.
Or have I got the wrong end of your stick?
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Gamaliel
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Ok - so I've just bobbed over to the Purgatory version of this thread and so can see what you're getting at about Steve Langton and Komensky.
So, yes, point taken and point well made.
What particularly struck me was Steve's helpful comment that all Christians who have found themselves in some kind of 'Constantinian' set-up are ipso facto 'bad Christians' as a result of that irrespective of how well-meaning they might be otherwise.
Yeah, right ...
And this is the guy who took it badly when I quoted Richard Baxter to the effect that - sincere though they might very well be - the besetting sin of Anabaptists was to be overly judgemental and holier-than-thou. QED.
But of course, Baxter himself is beyond the pale because he served as an army chaplain for the Parliamentarians during the Civil War.
But my point about John Oliver and satire still stands.
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mr cheesy
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
But my point about John Oliver and satire still stands.
I think I was pretty clear that my beef was with the media - including the media in countries where Oliver's programme cannot even be seen - giving saturation coverage to a a short monologue which cannot have been written in much more than 24 hours, and with the apparently widespread view that this was the best response to the atrocity.
I don't think it was. I thought it was bollocks. Not very funny, not very clever, not very insightful, not really worth reporting in the international media.
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Haven't seen that John Oliver piece yet. But as to him, and satire in general, ISTM this is where the persuasive voice of change is coming from. John Oliver played a larger role in the American Net Neutrality battle than almost any American. Satire has power because it is not establishment and it entertains.
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Gamaliel
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I didn't think it was particularly clever or funny either, mr cheesy - but at least I didn't take him literally as you appeared to do ...
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Allow me to summarize the key parts of the Last Week Tonight bit:
1) This was done by fucking assholes. Possibly aided by other total fucking assholes, in accordance with a philosophy of utter assholery.
2) Fuck those assholes.
There was then some droll allusion to Jihadists trying to have a "culture war" with France, and asserting "good fucking luck".
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mr cheesy
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I didn't think it was particularly clever or funny either, mr cheesy - but at least I didn't take him literally as you appeared to do ...
I invite you to read the reports of this in The New Yorker, the Guardian the Independent, Buzzfeed etc etc and so on..
And then you might understand what I'm saying.
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Stetson
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Originally posted by RooK:
Allow me to summarize the key parts of the Last Week Tonight bit:
1) This was done by fucking assholes. Possibly aided by other total fucking assholes, in accordance with a philosophy of utter assholery.
2) Fuck those assholes.
There was then some droll allusion to Jihadists trying to have a "culture war" with France, and asserting "good fucking luck".
It sounds like it wasn't the kind of satire where you say the polar opposite of what you believe(eg. A Modest Proposal), but rather the kind where you say what you do believe, but in an exaggerated and/or light-hearted manner.
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Gamaliel
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Well yes, that's exactly what it was Stetson.
I have some sympathy with mr cheesy's view that it wasn't particularly clever or original and that the media coverage it evoked was rather OTT ... but I suspect it acted like some kind of safety valve or release ... like when someone swears when they bash their finger when hanging a picture on the wall ...
I don't have an issue with mr cheesy's overall point, but his 'what a stupid argument' schtick seemed to miss the point somewhat from my reading of his post ... but hey ... it's no big deal.
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I believe the time for France is now...
They left NATO to decide themselves how to deploy their own buckets of "Instant Sunshine".
What are they waiting for?
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Alan Cresswell
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Unlike you, the French government aren't homicidal maniacs.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Unlike you, the French government aren't homicidal maniacs.
Yes they are. History shows they are EXACTLY as homicidal as me. Especially if they or (if I win the EuroMillions this weekend) me decide to get MEDIEVAL on their asses!
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By all means, go after them swinging a morning star.
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By all means, go after them swinging a morning star.
Hmm. What about Conrad III having a few buckets of uncontrolled neutrons? What would he hav done?
I'm with him.
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deano, go to bed, you're pissed as a parrot.
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Alan Cresswell
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We're civilised human beings, not criminal thugs like Daesh. We don't, or shouldn't, set out to target civilians. It's highly unfortunate, and reason enough to reconsider our tactics, that conventional "smart" bombs kill the innocent along with the probably guilty. And, you propose we extend the range of our crimes against humanity by using nukes?
Go home, and repeat at least one thousand times "Two wrongs do not make a right".
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Originally posted by deano:
I believe the time for France is now...
They left NATO to decide themselves how to deploy their own buckets of "Instant Sunshine".
This might help you sober up.
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France withdrew from the integrated military command in 1966 to pursue an independent defense system but returned to full participation on 3 April 2009.
So you're ignorant as well as stupid. Good work.
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