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mr cheesy
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Yes, I know Bowie was a great artist with a lot of fans, particularly amongst 50-something white men who work at the BBC.

But on the main flagship radio programme this morning, there was (a) the Archbishop of Canterbury discussing the possible disintegration of the Anglican Communion and (b) the Leader of the Opposition giving a major interview on policy.

The breathless Justin Webb and Nick Robinson couldn't help themselves but rush through the interviews to the important part: come on Justin, now then Jeremy, what we really want to know is what you have to say about this Bowie news.

They're hardly going to say "Oh, I thought his music was shite" are they?

Elsewhere almost every other story was squeezed by J and N trying to elbow in Bowie references. Hundreds of refugees in danger of freezing to death at the French channel ports? Sorry, we're short of time as you'll understand due to this breaking news situation... now, back to the Bowie coverage. Junior Doctors.. nope, nothing important to say there, let's remind our listeners of Bowie's greatest hits.

FWIW, I can understand the shock, but I think this totally over-saturated "news" coverage (when there isn't actually anything much to say beyond what the family have said on social media) is pretty pathetic. Shame on the BBC.

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I thought exactly the same. Bowie was before my time. I understand he might have been important to some people, but, let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.

There was a lengthy interview with someone who had interviewed Bowie for 45 minutes back in 2002 (I think he said), and thus was treated with the sort of reverence normally reserved for the Dali Lama. I turned it off at this stage, so didn't hear 'Thought for the Day', but doubtless taught invoked his memory too.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bibaculus:
let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.


[Big Grin]

That's got to be one of the best non-tributes I've ever heard.

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Great quote from the great man: I wrote about the highlights of my life, loneliness, anxiety, abandonment. Yes, he did. Thanks in abundance.

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As the person who started the relevant AS thread, I have to object.

Of course current affairs are current affairs, and looking at the UK daily paper front pages on the BBC is truly depressing, dedicated massively as they are to reality TV "celebrities".

And I'm not a massive Bowie fan.

But he was incontrovertibly a genuine and original artist. In a world of endless forwards, likes and retweets, there are too few of them around.

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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.

Them's fightin' words.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
But on the main flagship radio programme this morning, there was (a) the Archbishop of Canterbury discussing the possible disintegration of the Anglican Communion and (b) the Leader of the Opposition giving a major interview on policy.

And David Bowie is probably more important to more people than either of them. His death is certainly bigger news than either.

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I suspect that more people can name 10 Bowie songs than can name the current archbishop of Canterbury.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bibaculus:
I turned it off at this stage, so didn't hear 'Thought for the Day', but doubtless taught invoked his memory too.

No, a straight down the line prayer for the Anglican communion as it happens, Bowie not even mentioned in passing.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
And David Bowie is probably more important to more people than either of them. His death is certainly bigger news than either.

I'm sure this is true, however it is like interviewing someone from the Environment Agency about the floods and at the end saying "So, what did you think of [insert popular celebrity show of the moment]?" on the basis that more people are interested in the show than the news.

There is absolutely no reason why the ABoC or Jeremy Corbyn should have an opinion worth repeating on national radio about the cultural influence of David Bowie.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
There is absolutely no reason why the ABoC or Jeremy Corbyn should have an opinion worth repeating on national radio about the cultural influence of David Bowie.

No. That way they can be criticised for being totally out of touch with contemporary culture [Roll Eyes]

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[QUOTE]No. That way they can be criticised for being totally out of touch with contemporary culture [Roll Eyes]

Does the 1970s count as 'contemporary?

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
]No. That way they can be criticised for being totally out of touch with contemporary culture [Roll Eyes]

Right, I see - so forcing public figures to have opinions on popular music, which may in fact not be to their taste - is entirely legitimate, is it?

You'd rather Corbyn and Welby made up some nice-sounding shit on the spot about someone they know nothing about - rather than being honest and asking people about the issue that they're actually there to be interviewed about, would you?

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quote:
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Does the 1970s count as 'contemporary?

Sorry to break it to you, but he released a popular new album just weeks ago.

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Bowie was extremely popular with young people who feel or felt like outsiders. Most people I know who are mourning him are young LGBT women/nonbinary people of various races. Yeah there are 50something white men but Bowie was much more universal than that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bibaculus:
quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
No. That way they can be criticised for being totally out of touch with contemporary culture [Roll Eyes]

Does the 1970s count as 'contemporary?
I can't speak for the Labour Party, but I'm pretty sure it does in the church.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Right, I see - so forcing public figures to have opinions on popular music, which may in fact not be to their taste - is entirely legitimate, is it?

What pomona said. Whether you like him or not, ignorance of Bowie's influence on contemporary music and his resonance with particular subcultures indicates a troglodyte existence these past 50 years or so.

<pauses to put on "We can be heroes">

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quote:
Originally posted by Pomona:
Yeah there are 50something white men

One I know well is doing 25 years for murder. He'll be devastated
[Votive]

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
<pauses to put on "We can be heroes">

<pauses to put on "The Laughing Gnome">

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
<pauses to put on "We can be heroes">

<pauses to put on "The Laughing Gnome">
To me that's inextricably linked to "Junior Choice". I see Ed Stewart has just died too [Frown]

I did "Space Oddity" à la "Secret Life of Walter Mitty" on my 12-string at an open mic night a couple of months back.

There's a big repertoire to choose from, isn't there?

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It's very disorienting. Not just a major cultural figure of the past 50 years, but surely one of the great English artists. He expressed the lacrimae rerum (the tears in things) more than anyone that I know. I often play 'Where are we now?', very haunting.

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Besides, the papers wanted to know whose shirt Major Tom was wearing, so it seems only fair to quiz random figures about Bowie on t'radio...

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quote:
Originally posted by Pomona:
Bowie was extremely popular with young people who feel or felt like outsiders. Most people I know who are mourning him are young LGBT women/nonbinary people of various races. Yeah there are 50something white men but Bowie was much more universal than that.

Perfectly said, Pomona, thank you.


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I think that's right, he made it OK to be an outsider, or he helped turned outsider art into an English cultural phenomenon of great importance. Not the only one of course, and going beyond English to a world figure, or world artist.

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I am white, but neither fifty-something, nor male.

David Bowie was a bloody genius.

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I am also white but not 50something or male. Really really sad at the news.

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Alternative news channels are available.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
No. That way they can be criticised for being totally out of touch with contemporary culture [Roll Eyes]

Does the 1970s count as 'contemporary?
I can't speak for the Labour Party, but I'm pretty sure it does in the church.
I think you'll find the 1970s are the future.

Anyway, if you think this is bad, wait until McCartney goes...

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I've been watching TV for the past couple of hours and there hasn't been a single mention of Bowie. Maybe he didn't play snooker.

In fact, other than mentions on FB I would never have known.

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Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

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I've been watching TV for the past couple of hours and there hasn't been a single mention of Bowie. Maybe he didn't play snooker.

In fact, other than mentions on FB I would never have known.

You obviously don't listen to radio 4 then .... headline (1st up) on the 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock news
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You know, I can be a right pain in the arse talking about injustice, but holy hell this is a ridiculous OP.

He's just died.

Every real problem not covered today because of his death will still be here tomorrow and still be in the news.

He remains a massively important figure in contemporary music even if he hadn't released anything in the last 30 years.

I'm not a massive Bowie fan, I like a few songs, but that is the extent. But he is one of the seminal figures in contemporary music despite my personal opinion of his music.

ETA: You do recognise the massive irony of starting this thread, no mr. cheesy?

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quote:
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I've been watching TV for the past couple of hours and there hasn't been a single mention of Bowie. Maybe he didn't play snooker.

In fact, other than mentions on FB I would never have known.

There was extensive coverage on BBC Breakfast (I'd guess about 10 mins per hour - which is almost as much as the coverage of flooding in Northern England and Scotland on some days over the last few weeks). Along with a 2-3 minute report on aid to Syria, 1-2 minutes on the man arrested in Ghana for the murder of an actress and some other news that didn't register.

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You do recognise the massive irony of starting this thread, no mr. cheesy?

If peace were to break out in the Middle East, me cheesy would find a way of whining about it.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

Actually, there were complaints at the time, similarly when the Queen Mother died - people do *not* like their soaps being moved ...

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One does not need to be an overt fan of the late Mr. Bowie to appreciate the value of connection in society. He connected a great many through art, across decades and genres. To mourn so significant a connection, and thus help cement some remnant of that connection, is part of the fabric of civilization.

Basically, go fuck yourself cheesy.

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Basically, go fuck yourself cheesy.

Get some comprehension skills, freakface. I have no issues with people mourning a popular musician, I have issues when other important issues are brushed aside to maintain the decorum of saturation coverage on the BBC.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:

The breathless Justin Webb and Nick Robinson couldn't help themselves but rush through the interviews to the important part: come on Justin, now then Jeremy, what we really want to know is what you have to say about this Bowie news.

A quote from the Archbishop:

“I’m very, very saddened to hear of his death.

I remember sitting listening to his songs endlessly in the ‘70s particularly and always really relishing what he was, what he did, the impact he had.”

Given the age of the Archbishop there is no reason not to take him at face value, unless you are given to never taking the utterings of Archbishops at face value. Equally touching tributes have come from higher officials in the Vatican as well.

While I probably wouldn’t say this about the office of Archbishop, there is no question in my mind that David Bowie has had a larger and more lasting cultural influence than any individual Archbishop in the last century--and I’m not even particularly crazy about his music.

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Given the age of the Archbishop there is no reason not to take him at face value, unless you are given to never taking the utterings of Archbishops at face value. Equally touching tributes have come from higher officials in the Vatican as well.

Right, but there is also no reason to suppose that a person of his age would have anything to say about David Bowie. The Archbish was not asked because he previously expressed a view nor did he volunteer the information, he was asked during an interview about something else altogether.

Even if Welby had a terrible dislike of this kind of music, he could hardly have said anything negative when put on the spot like that. It was fortunate that he actually had some good experiences to relate.

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While I probably wouldn’t say this about the office of Archbishop, there is no question in my mind that David Bowie has had a larger and more lasting cultural influence than any individual Archbishop in the last century--and I’m not even particularly crazy about his music.
Possibly true, but also totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.

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David Bowie is probably more important to more people than either of them. His death is certainly bigger news than either.

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While I probably wouldn’t say this about the office of Archbishop, there is no question in my mind that David Bowie has had a larger and more lasting cultural influence than any individual Archbishop in the last century--and I’m not even particularly crazy about his music.

Possibly true, but also totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Given that one of the things you seemed to be concerned about was the breakup of the Anglican Communion, I doubt it is “irrelevant”, though perhaps tangential.

There is also no real reason to believe the Archbishop was put on the spot; we have no clue what kind of chit-chat took place off camera. Most of these interviews, while not exactly scripted, are at least outlined beforehand to a point that neither party is likely to be surprised by anything said.

In 50 years, few will remember who the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Leader of the Opposition were in 2016. They will still be listening to music by David Bowie and influenced by David Bowie.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

It was far worse. Have you any idea of the wall-to-wall coverage, the endless re-runs, the pull-out specials, the interviews, the speculation that went on, the floral tributes, the lengthy queues to sign books of condolences that sprung up everywhere (including my local Co-Op) or to add to the floral tributes, for weeks?

It's sad for Bowie's family and his fans but (and I may be alone in this) I think 8pp in tonight's Evening Standard is excessive.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Possibly true, but also totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.

And, your point is what?

As far as I can see the number of events in the UK and the world exceeds the time available for the BBC to report on all of them, which is also true every other day of the year. Therefore, the BBC editors make decisions on what stories they think will be of most interest to the majority of people and spend more time on those stories. Your complaint appears to be that the BBC editors don't phone you every morning to get your views on what stories to report. Because you clearly represent the entire audience of BBC news.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You know, I can be a right pain in the arse talking about injustice, but holy hell this is a ridiculous OP.

He's just died.

Every real problem not covered today because of his death will still be here tomorrow and still be in the news.

He remains a massively important figure in contemporary music even if he hadn't released anything in the last 30 years.

Agree with this, except the last part. His last album dropped on Friday. And it's fucking brilliant. The one before that came out in 2013.
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The Beeb just did 20 minutes on him on their News Channel, and very good it was as well. It seems entirely appropriate as well to me, as Bowie is a major English artist, well, we could say a great English artist. We have to cherish them.

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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
There was a lengthy interview with someone who had interviewed Bowie for 45 minutes back in 2002 (I think he said), and thus was treated with the sort of reverence normally reserved for the Dali Lama.

This gem was followed by an interview with a woman who had lived with him for a few months in 1973 and hadn't seen him since.

The cultural importance of David Bowie is undeniable, but this morning's Today programme came across as a hot mess of "oh my goodness, my youth is over" from a couple of middle aged men who should have known better.

A decent obituary would have been great. Put it in as the first headline every bulletin, that's fine, that's an editorial choice. But three hours of this "OMG I loved Bowie sooooooo much, good morning Mr Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition, how much did you love David Bowie?" nonsense was pathetic.

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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
And, your point is what?

My point is exactly as Anne expresses above.

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Unless political figure interviews are more informative in the UK, I would expect talking about David Bowie would be much more interesting.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
And, your point is what?

My point is exactly as Anne expresses above.
And, as I said earlier there are other news channels. You don't have to watch the BBC News all day.

Personally, most of my BBC News comes from the website. Where I pick what to read instead of following what an editor thinks would be the best way to fill the slot between 6 and 6.30.

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