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Firenze
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
We are all in the gutters, but thanks to holes in the roof some of us are looking at the stars.
You have indoor gutters? Do you have other features of street architecture? Are you in fact living in an urban tent?
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I was talking with a Scottish friend yesterday about the storm you were having there. In his strong accent (which I always have difficulty understanding), he told me that when he was young during a storm somewhere on the Scottish highlands, they felt a bit chilly. They looked up and discovered that part of the roof was blowing off. So they sat down, poured themselves a whisky and looked at the clouds.
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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Because they like playing old English games?
Speaking of old English sports! Hello Darth Nightlamp.
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Ah, great, Rook reminding me of my age.
Thanks for the welcome, it is good to be posting again.
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A late friend who was a builder/ carpenter/undertaker reckoned that if a building's gutters fell into disrepair then the building itself would eventually follow.
We used to live in a thatched farmhouse that had no gutters and only leaked on rare occasions. It saw many a storm and severe weather and the only problem latterly was getting decent quality reed with which to maintain it.
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orfeo
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Thanks for that devastating bout of twisted logic which has precisely nothing to do with my house.
If you like, I can come around to any house of your choosing with immaculately maintained gutters, form a dam of ice and freshly picked leaves in it, then we can pour some water in and watch what happens.
Unless, of course, you believe that a homeowner ought really be outside in the middle of a hail storm, knocking away the stones and debris as and when they arrive.
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lilBuddha
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If blocked gutters cause interior flooding, there is a failure on more levels than simply the gutters themselves. A well-designed home should account for such an occurrence. Lot grading, secondary drainage, weather sealing at the gradeline are just a few. Presuming you have any control over these, they might be issues to address when time/resources are available.
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orfeo
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Right! I shall go around seeing to it that the tiles are completely impermeable such that, if the intended downward path of water suddenly ceases to be available, the water will rise up over the tiles and run down them with no possibility of it going between them.
Then I shall sit inside and suffocate.
PS You might want to work on this in the UK a bit. Your rivers have this bizarre habit lately of overflowing and going places they're not supposed to. Poor engineering if you ask me.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Right! I shall go around seeing to it that the tiles are completely impermeable such that, if the intended downward path of water suddenly ceases to be available, the water will rise up over the tiles and run down them with no possibility of it going between them.
Just trying to offer some help. However, if all you came down here for was to whinge, carry on.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
PS You might want to work on this in the UK a bit. Your rivers have this bizarre habit lately of overflowing and going places they're not supposed to. Poor engineering if you ask me.
It kinda is. And poor planning, to some extent as well.
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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Wow, what a great thread.
Can I try? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
Today I Call to Hell....
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Wow, what a great thread.
Can I try?
Today I Call to Hell....
Not sure what pharmaceutical you have been using as of late, but you either need to cut back or do a lot more.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Wow, what a great thread.
Can I try?
Today I Call to Hell....
Dude, this is not about you and your petty little problems, This is about Orfeo and the apparent vendetta the entire material world has against him at the moment. Gutters, CD players, even the weather! Geez, which Elder God did he piss off?
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Right! I shall go around seeing to it that the tiles are completely impermeable such that, if the intended downward path of water suddenly ceases to be available, the water will rise up over the tiles and run down them with no possibility of it going between them.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to explore different options for reducing the problem. My parents always got a lot of leaves on the roof in autumn, and to prevent them blocking the gutters they installed leaf-guards on the gutters - which are an arch of spines running along the gutter, the leaves stick to the top of the arch but water can still flow underneath without carrying the leaves with it to form a blockage in the downpipe. That's one example, whether it will help your situation is going to depend on the particular nature of the guttering.
But, wringing your hands saying there's nothing you can do to stop it, and whinging on an internet bulletin board are not going to stop the water coming in the next time there is a hail storm.
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PS You might want to work on this in the UK a bit. Your rivers have this bizarre habit lately of overflowing and going places they're not supposed to. Poor engineering if you ask me.
Indeed. Part of it is that the water is going where it's supposed to, but some idiots went and built houses there. Part of it is that there are places upstream where the water was supposed to go, but other idiots channeled the streams to prevent their grouse moors getting too wet.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Right! I shall go around seeing to it that the tiles are completely impermeable such that, if the intended downward path of water suddenly ceases to be available, the water will rise up over the tiles and run down them with no possibility of it going between them.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to explore different options for reducing the problem. My parents always got a lot of leaves on the roof in autumn, and to prevent them blocking the gutters they installed leaf-guards on the gutters - which are an arch of spines running along the gutter, the leaves stick to the top of the arch but water can still flow underneath without carrying the leaves with it to form a blockage in the downpipe. That's one example, whether it will help your situation is going to depend on the particular nature of the guttering.
But, wringing your hands saying there's nothing you can do to stop it, and whinging on an internet bulletin board are not going to stop the water coming in the next time there is a hail storm.
No, I know it isn't. And I know about gutterguards. But is there such a thing as a guard for the... what are we calling it... valley that actually blocked?
I've never seen one. I've only ever seen gutterguards for gutters.
This whole notion that EVERYTHING is preventable and ought to be prevented is one that I find problematic. It's certainly one of the things that leads to excessive government regulation, as immortalised in my favourite Onion video which I've cited here more than once before.
Sure, I suppose I could prevent leaves ever being blown across to the other side of the roof after they've been stripped by a hailstorm by cutting down the tree, but what if next time the wind's coming from a different direction? And how far around my house should I cut down all trees?
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Geez, which Elder God did he piss off?
Dare I hope we will be hearing from one of them soon?
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mark_in_manchester
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You might want to work on this in the UK a bit.
Naah - in the UK your roof would leak too. You're right - you're screwed. Even if it was felted in something impermeable under the battens, the joints in the felt / rubber sheet ( ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ) would assume that flow would follow gravity, so water 'backing up' would get you every time. Even crimped-up continuous steel roof coverings (like on our church...there's a tale of woe) have gaps where elevations meet at valleys. That's where the water gets in, and allows churches to be farmed for £352k of professional and legal fees to tell them so, without any remedial work taking place!
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by orfeo:
And I know about gutterguards. But is there such a thing as a guard for the... what are we calling it... valley that actually blocked?
I've never seen one. I've only ever seen gutterguards for gutters.
I just Googled "roof valley leaf guard", FYI. Often a useful way of answering an "is there such a thing as ..." type questions.
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rolyn
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Not all things are preventable. Much of the time damage limitation is the best we can strive for.
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RooK
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Keep in mind that this is a person who was supporting some interior feature of his home with a broom, and no indication of whether this was a temporary measure. And don't forget the whole Tori Amos affinity. We can't expect too much from him.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Unless, of course, you believe that a homeowner ought really be outside in the middle of a hail storm, knocking away the stones and debris as and when they arrive.
When SE England had a freak wind storm in 87 it was famously mis-forcast. Had it been correctly forcast and various sensational warnings thrown around it is reckoned many people would have come to grief trying to protect their properties .
I would hate to think of you up a ladder in the middle of the night battling against hailstones, especially if they're coming down at a hell of a rate and are the size of quetz's testicles
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by rolyn:
especially if they're coming down at a hell of a rate and are the size of quetz's testicles
Oh, I think Orfeo can handle a shower of M&Ms...
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Gee D
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Originally posted by orfeo:
[QUOTE] But is there such a thing as a guard for the... what are we calling it... valley that actually blocked?
I've never seen one. I've only ever seen gutterguards for gutters.
Yes, there is - just look at the roof of D Towers, or of our house down the coast. Talk to your gutterguard person.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Patdys:
Hums
Snow can wait
I forgot my mittens
Wipe my nose
Get my new boots on
I get a little warm in my heart
When I think of winter....
Ooh. Haven't listened to that one for a while. She sang it live in Brisbane in November 2014 at the very end of the world tour, got everyone to sing along it was magic. And did you know it's partly based on one of Rachmaninov's piano pieces?
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The fanboy routine will never end.
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Foolish, potentially deranged witterings
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orfeo
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Funny how I'm not the one who actually brings up Tori Amos, though, isn't it? I don't have to. People do it for me.
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Alan Cresswell
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Brings uo, or throws up?
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orfeo
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You sad little vindictive man. I pity you.
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lilBuddha
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Little as an insult?
Heightist.
I hope the velcro on your feet loses its effectiveness and you fall off the underside of the planet.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Oh, I think Orfeo can handle a shower of M&Ms...
you crack me up Kelly.
To be fair on quetz I am guilty of embellishment for comic effect. Closer inspection of the post on on the comparative size of hailstones reveals it actually said "testcles" without actual mention of ownership.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Little as an insult?
Heightist.
I hope the velcro on your feet loses its effectiveness and you fall off the underside of the planet.
What, you mean the discovery that flying insects are nesting in my bedroom window frame isn't punishment enough?
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Little as an insult?
Heightist.
I hope the velcro on your feet loses its effectiveness and you fall off the underside of the planet.
What, you mean the discovery that flying insects are nesting in my bedroom window frame isn't punishment enough?
Not really. Not unless they are carrying a virus that makes your body purchase Pat Boone's In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy, every track by the Insane Clown Posse and the collective works of Patrice Wilson and play them on an endless loop.
Those who use heightist slurs deserve no mercy.
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orfeo
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I sense you may not be tall.
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Ah, I think that was the album that lost Boone his gig as March of Dimes spokesman, for a while. And IIRC he received a music award, wearing a bad-boy, leather outfit.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I sense you may not be tall.
I am of perfectly normal size, thank you so kindly. Unlike the pituitary cases I seem constantly surrounded by.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I sense you may not be tall.
I am of perfectly normal size, thank you so kindly. Unlike the pituitary cases I seem constantly surrounded by.
Ah well, I look forward to you changing your name to "normal-sized Buddha" at the next opportunity.
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Missed a qualifier, perhaps? Like: perfectly normal size, for the Shire.
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LeRoc
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People comparing their sizes on page three of a Hell thread. It's almost like the old days.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by RooK:
Missed a qualifier, perhaps? Like: perfectly normal size, for the Shire.
You want in on this, you syrup-sucking, wannabe hipster? Comb the crumbs of your $$$ panko encrusted, habanero-passionfuit donut out of your "ironic" handelbar mustache, finish your organic, gluten-free, vegan, fair trade, single bean, Chemex coffee, mount your penny farthing and scram.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Or, perhaps this is the normal size for a Buddha?
That was created to minister to the over-sized in a language they could understand
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LeRoc
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Alan Cresswell: Or, perhaps this is the normal size for a Buddha?
They're normally a bit fatter.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Alan Cresswell: Or, perhaps this is the normal size for a Buddha?
They're normally a bit fatter.
The link pictures Gautama Buddha, the source of Buddhism.* You are thinking of Budai.
*Yeah, it is more complicated than that, but...
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LeRoc
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I've seen statues of rather fat Buddha's in Thailand.
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And I have seen a rather thin Buddha statue in Lahore Museum, Pakistan. Fasting Buddha
It seems that Buddha comes in all shapes and sizes...
[ 10. February 2016, 19:13: Message edited by: Lucia ]
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lilBuddha
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I've never seen a fat Buddha that isn't Budai. This is true of Thailand to the best of my knowledge. The starving Buddha represents his ascetic period before he came to enlightenment.
ETA: In some traditions, Budai will become the next Buddha.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by RooK:
Missed a qualifier, perhaps? Like: perfectly normal size, for the Shire.
You want in on this, you syrup-sucking, wannabe hipster? Comb the crumbs of your $$$ panko encrusted, habanero-passionfuit donut out of your "ironic" handelbar mustache, finish your organic, gluten-free, vegan, fair trade, single bean, Chemex coffee, mount your penny farthing and scram.
RooK, you grew a mustache since we met? I can't see it suiting.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Ooh. Haven't listened to that one for a while. She sang it live in Brisbane in November 2014 at the very end of the world tour, got everyone to sing along it was magic. And did you know it's partly based on one of Rachmaninov's piano pieces?
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I actually spent two hours listening to youtube clips after googling that. She is pretty good actually. But no Diana Krall who I saw last night...
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I've never seen a fat Buddha that isn't Budai.
Does this help?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You want in on this
Oh, yes please. Because orfeo has stopped rising to my taunts.
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you syrup-sucking
Oh, cute! A vague attempt to nod at my Canuckistanni heritage. There's not a whole lot of syrup production in the rocky mountains where I'm from, but at least you tried.
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wannabe hipster? Comb the crumbs of your $$$ panko encrusted, habanero-passionfuit donut out of your "ironic" handelbar mustache, finish your organic, gluten-free, vegan, fair trade, single bean, Chemex coffee, mount your penny farthing and scram.
Oh, you've heard of Portland, then?
It would be hypocritical of me to put up too much of a defense for all those trend-obsessed tight-pants-wearing micro-brewing unicyclists considering how much shit I fling them daily. Still, I do think that PDX is one of my favourite cities, and there's no denying that all the fantastic restaurants are probably strongly associated to the hipsterati.
Also, it would be incorrect to deny the 'stache. Though, it only grows in Movember, and is currently in remission.
This is where I suddenly twist the conversation to use my momentum to spike back some sort of incisive suggestion about a psychological flaw you hadn't realized you exposed. Except that, apparently, I'm too happy talking about myself and I honestly haven't paid enough attention to know anything about you. My bad.
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