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Marvin the Martian

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Originally posted by molopata:
So, in summary, what are the overriding arguments in support of B16 being a Nazi?

He was a German child during the period when Germany was ruled by Nazis, and didn't explicitly and openly reject their ideology at the time.

Of course, by the same logic every single German of the time that wasn't executed for treason could be labelled the same way. Which is why it's such a stupid accusation.

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Jesus, some of you are challenging both Darwin and the concept of an intelligent creator.
It was not an accusation. It was an epithet.
Chesterbelloc's whinging, coupled with my dislike of Benedict, set my teeth on edge and I did not wish to retract the insult.
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Originally posted by Gee D:
lilBuddha's slur was cheap and nasty.

This is the most accurate post regarding my comment which caused this. Add pride and this is not my finest hour, quite obviously.

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Originally posted by mdijon:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, in Buddhism, gender should be irrelevant. That it isn't is due to cultural artifacts.

Which is exactly the sort of tap-dancing Christians (including me) do to make sense of their religion.
I don't think it is tap dancing. I think it is reading for completeness. Or attempting to do so, at least. Obviously there will be disagreement.
In the bible and in Buddhist canon, there are things that I do not think fit the overall message and therefore in contention as to authority and original authorship. Questioning and testing should be part of one's faith, or that faith is worthless.

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beano, you gaseous remnant of a fermented turd:
Put up or shut up.
Show me how and where I attack Christianity.

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Marvin the Martian

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Gee D:
lilBuddha's slur was cheap and nasty.

This is the most accurate post regarding my comment which caused this. Add pride and this is not my finest hour, quite obviously.
Ah, so it was just a bit of juvenile name-calling? Fair enough.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Gee D:
lilBuddha's slur was cheap and nasty.

This is the most accurate post regarding my comment which caused this. Add pride and this is not my finest hour, quite obviously.
Ah, so it was just a bit of juvenile name-calling? Fair enough.
Rub it in, ya bastard. But at least it you are doing accurately, now.

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Why shouldn't lilBuddha, or anybody, attack Christianity?

Is there some Equal Opportunities Commission, which says that if you attack one religion, you have to attack them all? It would take quite a long time.

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I think all young Germans who joined the Hitler Youth can fairly be described as being Nazis given that other boys did not join and took the consequences.

But I think there are two qualifying points; first these boys would have varying amounts of commitment to Nazism, ranging from essentially only being in the ranks from fear through to being proto-Goebbels. The only time one could arguably be said to be in the Hitler Youth but not a Nazi would be if one deliberately joined to sabotage the efforts.

Secondly (shocking, I know), not all Nazis were equally culpable. The famous Martin Niemöller himself was initially a fan of Hitler and a spouter of anti-Semitic craptrap, so when he made the statement "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist..", it was not a high-minded bit of performance poetry but a statement of his own guilt and behaviour.

Niemöller of course went on to become a symbol of peace and reconciliation. He didn't deny or minimise the effects of his previous behaviour.

I have no idea how committed Pope B was to the Hitler Youth, it sounds to me like he was a typical teenager and got out of it as soon as things got hard. But he has had plenty of time to own his own behaviour from his youth, he has had plenty of time to show that he was not going to let this colour the rest of his life.

In my view he totally failed. An embarrassment to the RCC, good riddance.

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quetzalcoatl: Is there some Equal Opportunities Commission, which says that if you attack one religion, you have to attack them all? It would take quite a long time.
To make the process more efficient, I normally attack them in alphabetical order. I start to get out of steam somewhere around Eckankar.

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Mr Cheesy writes:
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I think all young Germans who joined the Hitler Youth can fairly be described as being Nazis given that other boys did not join and took the consequences.
While not wishing to tangent too much into the murky slime of this period, Mr Cheesy errs in saying that young Germans joined. They were enrolled, like it or lump it, by a law of 1936, excepting those of non-Aryan lineage or whose morals were too corrupt for admission.

My admittedly non-scientific interviews, which included with staff at the Holocaust Documentation Centre in Toronto, and staff of the then Canadian Jewish Congress, were unanimous in that children had no choice. The one exception I found was unclear on whether or not he was a member or if his father had just withdrawn him from activities-- there were, of course, exceptions of this sort and most totalitarian régimes had their spots of inefficiency.

In any case, Canadian Jewish Congress leadership, including their Holocaust Survivors Committee, did not hold Mr Oberle culpable on account of his childhood membership of the Hitler Youth and indeed he frequently participated in Jewish community activities in his riding, as he was always focussed on his constituency duties in the Peace River. My CJC community relations contacts told me that he was highly-thought of by the region's small Jewish community, and they had long been aware of his German origins and what that entailed. Their local chair and the CJC president (I think it was Irving Abella at the time but need to check) spoke publicly on Mr Oberle's behalf against the attacks made on him at the time.

I find it odd to stand in defence of a Conservative politician and also odd to defend Benedict XVI whom I never really liked. But a bum rap is a bum rap.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I think all young Germans who joined the Hitler Youth can fairly be described as being Nazis

So Sophie Scholl's brother Hans was a Nazi, eh? The things one learns on bulletin boards.

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Using the term "Nazi" too much dilutes its invective power. Which I only care about because we have a real proto-Nazi to castigate. #makedonalddrumpfagain
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Chesterbelloc's whinging

Funnily enough, I prefer to see it as a principled objection myself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Chesterbelloc's whinging

Funnily enough, I prefer to see it as a principled objection myself.
If misusing the term for anyone would cause you to issue a hell call, then it is a principled objection. Otherwise, not so much.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I think all young Germans who joined the Hitler Youth can fairly be described as being Nazis given that other boys did not join and took the consequences.

I was a student in Germany in the mid-1950s, and I knew people who had belonged to the Hitler Youth or the Bund deutscher Mädel. The bad consequences of not joining these organizations fell on the parents. In many cases the father lost his job and could no longer afford to feed his family. At that point the kid began participating in HJ or BdM.

The coercion was quite powerful.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Chesterbelloc's whinging

Funnily enough, I prefer to see it as a principled objection myself.
If misusing the term for anyone would cause you to issue a hell call, then it is a principled objection. Otherwise, not so much.
"Up to a point, Lord Copper."

One wouldn't have to object equally strongly to all possible unfair applications of that epithet for one's objection to be a principled one in a particular case. Some misapplications would be wider of the mark than others, for a start. Say, applying it to a child whose family had already suffered for its lack of enthusiaism in signing up to the Nazi programme.

Further, surely we're back to the argument that you yourself used against Deano: you don't have to object to every objectionable thing in order to make a coherent, resaonable, non-hypocritical objection to one such thing. One is more likely, for example, to object to its misapplication to someone about whom you know and care more - that's just human, as well as being a necessary triage of one's limited resources.

Finally - and you can, I'm sure, gauge the relevance of this to our own wee disagreement yourself - if someone's being a real jerk about it, that's more likely to get one's goat.

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When I worked in Dachau I knew someone who was from some Bavarian village who was also in the Hitler Youth. He did say that he and the others didn't listened to what the guy up front was saying, but still, he didn't have much choice about going and living in a small place, not going would have brought social consequences. He ended up doing tours in the former concentration camp in Dachau, became friends with a survivor of one of the sub-camps and befriended this then volunteer.

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Why shouldn't lilBuddha, or anybody, attack Christianity?

Is there some Equal Opportunities Commission, which says that if you attack one religion, you have to attack them all? It would take quite a long time.

Anyone can attack Christianity if they wish, and many do so. This was not an attack on Christianity, but on a now retired Christian leader, in extravagant and inaccurate terms.

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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:

One is more likely, for example, to object to its misapplication to someone about whom you know and care more - that's just human, as well as being a necessary triage of one's limited resources.

Both of those are true, but it does not wash away all the sin of variable standards. I'll admit to failing this standard, but it doesn't mean it should not be striven for.
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:

Finally - and you can, I'm sure, gauge the relevance of this to our own wee disagreement yourself - if someone's being a real jerk about it, that's more likely to get one's goat.

Works both directions, sunshine. My perception of your words affected my actions. But that makes me hypocritical.

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Originally posted by Gee D:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Why shouldn't lilBuddha, or anybody, attack Christianity?

Is there some Equal Opportunities Commission, which says that if you attack one religion, you have to attack them all? It would take quite a long time.

Anyone can attack Christianity if they wish, and many do so. This was not an attack on Christianity, but on a now retired Christian leader, in extravagant and inaccurate terms.
Yes, I was thinking about deano's comment:


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Read post lilbuddha has made over the last few years. I believe that they represent nothing more than a sustained attack on Christianity, especially high up the candle denominations and Catholicism in particular.


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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Why shouldn't lilBuddha, or anybody, attack Christianity?

Is there some Equal Opportunities Commission, which says that if you attack one religion, you have to attack them all? It would take quite a long time.

I agree. But when that takes the form of calling someone a Nazi because they were forced into the Hitler Youth, or that they are apologists for paedophiles, or they subjugate women and LBGT people - ignoring those religions that really do - then it becomes less objective and more polemical.

Worse is then pretending that they don't really.

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Why shouldn't lilBuddha, or anybody, attack Christianity?

Is there some Equal Opportunities Commission, which says that if you attack one religion, you have to attack them all? It would take quite a long time.

I agree. But when that takes the form of calling someone a Nazi because they were forced into the Hitler Youth, or that they are apologists for paedophiles, or they subjugate women and LBGT people - ignoring those religions that really do - then it becomes less objective and more polemical.

Worse is then pretending that they don't really.

True to form, all accusation and no substance. Show me where I attack Christianity. Surely there would be something even you can find?

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I still don't see why attacks on any religion have to be objective. Why can't I just rant that I hate religion X, because its chairs are a fucking awful shape, and the doughnuts you get with your tea have crap jam in the middle?

[ 07. March 2016, 20:51: Message edited by: quetzalcoatl ]

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Anyhow. At this stage in the thread I think we can pronounce B16 as being exonerated from being a Nazi.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:

One is more likely, for example, to object to its misapplication to someone about whom you know and care more - that's just human, as well as being a necessary triage of one's limited resources.

Both of those are true, but it does not wash away all the sin of variable standards. I'll admit to failing this standard, but it doesn't mean it should not be striven for.
Except that I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong or unreasonable about the sort of triage - picking one's battles on the grounds most important to you - I describe above. I doubt if anyone really does.
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:

Finally - and you can, I'm sure, gauge the relevance of this to our own wee disagreement yourself - if someone's being a real jerk about it, that's more likely to get one's goat.

Works both directions, sunshine. My perception of your words affected my actions. But that makes me hypocritical.
Well, when people are called on their unreasonable behaviour they do often get angry and stubborn and lash out at the challenger. Such conduct doesn't make them hypocritical so much as petulant. Stop digging and maybe you'll be able to let it drop.

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Chestorbelloc still attempting to extract, from lilbuddha, an apology which ain't never gonna happen.
Now this is what I call popcorn heaven.

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Actually, I've already got more out of lilBuddha than I expected, which is an admission that the Nazi epithet was inappropriate. It would be deeply delusive to expect an apology since his/her hatred of Benedict remains, as far as I can see, undiminished.

So I'd be happy if the thread closed now, before lilBuddha claws back any further, but the Hosts' wills be done.

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Other folk may want a last word. I'll leave it open for now, and check back in the morning.

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I was hoping that deano could show me how I hate Christians. I rather thought I liked them.
Not all of them, mind, but as a group.

[ 08. March 2016, 01:32: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I still don't see why attacks on any religion have to be objective. Why can't I just rant that I hate religion X, because its chairs are a fucking awful shape, and the doughnuts you get with your tea have crap jam in the middle?

You are entitled to hate anyone you like because of the inferior quality of their confectionery. You can hate Buddhism because you always forget how to spell it if you like, and nobody can stop you.

If, however, you wish to "attack" a particular religion, then that carries the implication that you think your claims have some general merit and that you can persuade others of them. If you're just ranting about chairs and pastries, it's not an attack at all - it's just pathetic whining.

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Leorning Cniht: If, however, you wish to "attack" a particular religion, then that carries the implication that you think your claims have some general merit and that you can persuade others of them.
I think the chairs are awful too.

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I was hoping that deano could show me how I hate Christians. I rather thought I liked them.
Not all of them, mind, but as a group.

You are too careful to state it outright, but if people want to review your posting history it does seem to follow that path.

If you have a problem with that you know what you can suck on don't you?

Why don't you make a proper apology about you Nazi slur on Benedict XVI? That ought to take the form of properly withdrawing the claim, and then apologising to Catholics who may have been offended.

Ooh, is that pig flying?

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That's almost as weak as the evasion you displayed on the Presidential thread.

Floating assertions gasping and gurgling for factual dry land.

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Goodness, what a waste of a wait that was, deano. Not that I expected brilliance.

[ 08. March 2016, 12:34: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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That's how it goes. Hissing toothlessly in the shadow of better Hellions, deano has no means by which to actually engage on any topic.

As for the gnashed-teeth confrontation between lilDharma and Chestercholic: I do have to admit a grudging respect. You both managed to keep your ire focused and bounded by a modicum of reasonability. Well played.

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quote:
Originally posted by molopata:
So, in summary, what are the overriding arguments in support of B16 being a Nazi?

1. He is German.
2. He was drafted into the Hitler Youth as a child.
3. He is German.
4. He exercised the authority of the office to which he was elected and elevated.
5. He is German.

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Fr Weber,

It would be every so lovely if you could trouble yourself to read a thread for comprehension before commenting.

Thanks ever so

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Fr Weber,

It would be every so lovely if you could trouble yourself to read a thread for comprehension before commenting.

Thanks ever so

Oh I believe Fr. Weber comprehends you and this thread pretty much perfectly.

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Thank you for proving my point.

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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
As for the gnashed-teeth confrontation between lilDharma and Chestercholic: I do have to admit a grudging respect. You both managed to keep your ire focused and bounded by a modicum of reasonability. Well played.

Yer a toff, guv'nor, and no mistake.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Goodness, what a waste of a wait that was, deano. Not that I expected brilliance.

Deano's got a hell of a lot of fucking nerve suggesting people review someone else's posting record. "Hey, if I attempt to jump on this tiny little bandwagon of criticism, will you all forget what a consistant, unmitigated creep I have been?"

Fucking trend-hopping little shit.

All we'll get from reviewing yours is a compendium of general brilliance with occasional flecks of curmudgeonliness. And a rare, admirable ability to own your own shit, which kind of makes you Ship's Unicorn. (Move over, Ariston.)

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Goodness, what a waste of a wait that was, deano. Not that I expected brilliance.

Deano's got a hell of a lot of fucking nerve suggesting people review someone else's posting record. "Hey, if I attempt to jump on this tiny little bandwagon of criticism, will you all forget what a consistant, unmitigated creep I have been?"

Fucking trend-hopping little shit.

All we'll get from reviewing yours is a compendium of general brilliance with occasional flecks of curmudgeonliness. And a rare, admirable ability to own your own shit, which kind of makes you Ship's Unicorn. (Move over, Ariston.)

Kelly, what mouthwash do you use to get rid of the taste after kissing lilbuddha's arse? More to the point though is how do you find the room what with lilbuddha's head being shoved up there?

Trend-hopping? What in Earth is that? I've never been trendy in my life! I thought only lefty-hipster types were trendy. Is it a trend to find lilbuddha to be hypocritical and cowardly? If so then it's the first time I've ever been "on-trend", if that is a word.

Oh and unlike those lefty-hipsters, I have to work for a living and actually have a life beyond posting on here, so I will respond in my own good time and not in the more luxurious timescales some seem to have.

[ 10. March 2016, 18:20: Message edited by: deano ]

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You've had time aplenty to make a case beyond mere assertion. It isn't as if I am a scarce participant here.
Or at least develop a hell game worth engaging.
Speaking of your pathetic attempt at an insult, your own head is shoved so far up your arse that your hair is visible when you open your mouth.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You've had time aplenty to make a case beyond mere assertion. It isn't as if I am a scarce participant here.
Or at least develop a hell game worth engaging.
Speaking of your pathetic attempt at an insult, your own head is shoved so far up your arse that your hair is visible when you open your mouth.

It isn't assertion. On threads centred around Christianity, your posts, in the main, appear to be negative and generally anti-Christianity, especially high up the candle denominations.

In fact this thread was started in response to you stating an untruth about a Pope. Your first response on this thread was to list a number of Christian denominations and accuse them of being oppressive towards women and LBGT people, completely ignoring the worst offenders.

You seem to be obsessing over when I respond to your posts at the moment. Do you feel people ought to be given a time limit or something? Do you not feel comfortable with waiting?

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I preferred it when he was drinking.

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
It isn't assertion. On threads centred around Christianity, your posts, in the main, appear to be negative and generally anti-Christianity, especially high up the candle denominations.

This
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I do have a problem with some of the official positions of the church and some of the problems inherent in their management system.

is hardly a blanket condemnation of Christianity.

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

In fact this thread was started in response to you stating an untruth about a Pope. Your first response on this thread was to list a number of Christian denominations and accuse them of being oppressive towards women and LBGT people, completely ignoring the worst offenders.

Right. I have a consistent record for ignoring sexism and LGBT issues in everyone except Christians. [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

You seem to be obsessing over when I respond to your posts at the moment.

Ye Gods, if ever I am that bored of life, shoot me.
I've been amusing myself insulting you, but I grow bored as there is no challenge.
You've a history of yelping once and running away as the wee mingled with your mangy pelt. Now that you've finally managed to rear on your hind legs and wiggle your tiny, flaccid penis; at least give us a show.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Ye Gods, if ever I am that bored of life, shoot me.
I've been amusing myself insulting you, but I grow bored as there is no challenge.
You've a history of yelping once and running away as the wee mingled with your mangy pelt. Now that you've finally managed to rear on your hind legs and wiggle your tiny, flaccid penis; at least give us a show.

Forgive me, but does Obama Care cover mental health problems? If so perhaps someone can explain how you might be able to access those services.

I'm not sure what this "history" is. Once I have made my point, I don't see the need to keep on repeating it.

But as it does seem to bother you, along with the "time" problem, I would mention it if you do manage to get an appointment with a counsellor.

Oh, and rest assured, if the opportunity ever arose, I would gladly shoot you, but can I suggest you try Dignitas first.

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[Snore]

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Sorry, I meant to address your comment regarding Kelly. She does sometimes say nice things about me, yes. But she has also aimed kicks at the same arse that you accuse her of kissing. So if if she were a lick-spittle, she's not good at it.

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