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Stetson
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From here
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quote: If church is being seen as irrelevant, what is being done to address it?
I think there's a meeting next week where every single person with an interest in raising attendance numbers in the various denominations will come up with a solution. You have google, check it out.
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LeRoc
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I don't have much a problem with Frankenstein opening that thread. It's a subject we've been talking a lot about already of course, but that is true for most threads.
One thing I do have issue with on that thread is him commanding people to look things up on the internet. He should provide links and comment on why he thinks they support his views, not try to let others do his work for him. [ 13. March 2016, 19:52: Message edited by: LeRoc ]
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It feels like he's looking for a particular answer that he already knows and is expecting the rest of us to come to.
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quote: Originally posted by Nicolemr: It feels like he's looking for a particular answer that he already knows and is expecting the rest of us to come to.
No dog in the actual fight, but that particular rhetorical habit drives me batshit insane.
Is there a Latin term for it? Spittit Outicus?
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LeRoc
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quote: Nicolemr: It feels like he's looking for a particular answer that he already knows and is expecting the rest of us to come to.
Yes, you put the finger on it. And I like Kelly's Latin term
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I've seen it called 'answer-pulling'.
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(Grumble) I've got an answer you can pull...
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: (Grumble) I've got an answer you can pull...
Is it like my Uncle Marty's finger?
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by LeRoc: I don't have much a problem with Frankenstein opening that thread. It's a subject we've been talking a lot about already of course, but that is true for most threads.
Yeah, I wasn't in a state of fiery outrage when I started this thread. I just thought F's schtick warranted a notching up of the sarcasm, which might have been rather unpurgatorial.
quote: I've seen it called 'answer-pulling'.
Well, I wonder how that would differ from Socratic Ignorance, which is one of my favorite debating techniques.
I gusss with Frankenstein, it seemed like he was framing certain issues right off the bat as being of utmost importance("decreasing reelvance of Christianity!!", and then demanding to know what people were doing about them. While sticking to pretty general terminology and refusing any requests for clarification, which made it hard to know what he was talking about.
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LeRoc
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quote: Stetson: Well, I wonder how that would differ from Socratic Ignorance, which is one of my favorite debating techniques.
Hmm, Socrates could be a bit of an arse at times.
I also use a questioning technique rather often in debates (including on the Ship). I guess the difference lies in whether you're interested in people's answers.
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Alan Cresswell
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There's also the difference between asking questions which you either don't know the answer to, or are unsure about the answer, and asking questions which you are sure of the right answer to - and being more than willing to then supply that answer.
Not that Frankenstein seems able to provide a straight answer to any sort of question.
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LeRoc
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Exactly. I have the feeling that with his questioning, he is trying to lead us to the killing answer he will someday give … but he never does.
The subjects he raises are interesting (even if we've discussed most of them before), but by just throwing in a question or a line, it feels a bit like he wants us to do his debating for him. Why not show a bit what your own opinions are on these topics? What conclusions do you draw from them?
(See, I can do the questioning thing too )
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My curiosity was piqued, so I just peaked at the thread in question.
I found a bunch of posts from Frankenstein consisting mainly of large quotes from previous posts so as to bulk them up, tagged with questions and observations copy/pasted from a text-editor and delivered in a staccato and faux-magisterial manner in an apparent manifestation of studied minimalism.
I guess we all had a teacher like that at some point (sigh).
If you strain to make it out above the deafening trip-trap trip-trap noises in the background, it's just about possible to hear a clock ticking down somewhere.
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Stetson
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LeRoc wrote:
quote: I also use a questioning technique rather often in debates (including on the Ship). I guess the difference lies in whether you're interested in people's answers.
With Frankenstein, I think he has this debate going on his head with an imaginary opponent who is shocked and outraged by his opinions, and he's hoping to find someone like that to argue with on the Ship. For example, when I asked him at the beginning to clarify what he meant by "relevant", he replied...
quote: From my reading of the analyses of the census returns, available on the internet, the numbers who do not identify themselves with religion, is on the increase. I suggest that you goglee this yourself.
Whereas, in fact, I had not disputed his claims about the census at all. But it's like he was just hoping for someone to come along and do so.
Tellingly, when Jengie Jon, in his first post, DID present evidence calling into question the census numbers, Frankenstoen declined to reply. Despite previously having been very eager to push that point on people who WEREN'T disputing it. [ 14. March 2016, 13:36: Message edited by: Stetson ]
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: Well, I wonder how that would differ from Socratic Ignorance, which is one of my favorite debating techniques.
Hahaha, I suspect people have been using Socratic questioning for thousands of years and in the process pissing everyone off.
As The Republic suggests, the main advantage of the Socratic is that you can twist your opponent in knots without ever having to spell out what you think - so you can pretend to be all innocent "what.. I don't know, I'm only asking questions..". It's bullshit.
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The difficulty I've always found with the Socratic method is that unlike in Plato the other side never seem to know their lines.
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Stetson
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Yes, not endorsing the actual points made by Plato via the Socratic method, which are debatable, to say the least.
Like, just as how you wouldn't take a democratic vote on how to care for your sick horse, you shouldn't take a democratic vote on how to run your society.
And all his opponents can do is nod along with "By Zeus, it is just as you say, Socrates", when confronted with such wise interrogation. [ 14. March 2016, 14:16: Message edited by: Stetson ]
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Frankenstein
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: LeRoc wrote:
quote: I also use a questioning technique rather often in debates (including on the Ship). I guess the difference lies in whether you're interested in people's answers.
With Frankenstein, I think he has this debate going on his head with an imaginary opponent who is shocked and outraged by his opinions, and he's hoping to find someone like that to argue with on the Ship. For example, when I asked him at the beginning to clarify what he meant by "relevant", he replied...
quote: From my reading of the analyses of the census returns, available on the internet, the numbers who do not identify themselves with religion, is on the increase. I suggest that you goglee this yourself.
Whereas, in fact, I had not disputed his claims about the census at all. But it's like he was just hoping for someone to come along and do so.
Tellingly, when Jengie Jon, in his first post, DID present evidence calling into question the census numbers, Frankenstoen declined to reply. Despite previously having been very eager to push that point on people who WEREN'T disputing it.
Jengle Jon: Frankenstein
You do know don't you that the 2011 census was designed to have a drop in numbers because the 2001 survey was felt to overstate the level of commitment in the UK to Christianity. I have this from Abby Day who advised the census people on this issue.
Only someone who is naive about the interpretative quality of statistics would believe that the decline is as steep as indicated by the survey. For an actual comparison, you might like BRIN (British Religion in Numbers) prefer to use the British Social Attitudes Survey which is conducted annual and has been asking about Religious affiliation since 1983.
Happy exploring of those sites.
Jengie Jon:
To try and clarify things, it was Jengie Jon who questioned the 2011 census returns and not Leroc. I had confused the author, quotes within quotes..
Quote: I asked him at the beginning to clarify what he meant by "relevant", My understanding of this familiar word is as per any competent dictionary.
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LeRoc
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quote: passer: I found a bunch of posts from Frankenstein consisting mainly of large quotes from previous posts so as to bulk them up, tagged with questions and observations copy/pasted from a text-editor and delivered in a staccato and faux-magisterial manner in an apparent manifestation of studied minimalism.
… aaand again.
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Nick Tamen
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: Tellingly, when Jengie Jon, in his first post . . . .
Just fyi, that would be her first post.
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: Yes, not endorsing the actual points made by Plato via the Socratic method, which are debatable, to say the least.
Like, just as how you wouldn't take a democratic vote on how to care for your sick horse, you shouldn't take a democratic vote on how to run your society.
And all his opponents can do is nod along with "By Zeus, it is just as you say, Socrates", when confronted with such wise interrogation.
IIRC, Plato/Socrates wasn't too fond of democracy (or maybe that was Aristotle? I need to read them both again) but his ideal political system seemed to be a form of aristocratic ruling class - who exercised in the nude.
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LeRoc
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quote: Frankenstein: My understanding of this familiar word is as per any competent dictionary.
Just to be clear: that's a fucking bullshit answer. On the thread in Purgatory, various people have expressed that the word 'relevant' can mean many things in the context of the question you raised. You opened a thread asking a question, people engage with your question and all you do is make long quotes and answer with "it's as per any competent dictionary".
This is disrespectful towards people who accepted your invitation to have a discussion with you. We know very well what the dictionary says thankyouverymuch; pointing us towards it in this way comes over as very patronising. We also know that words can take on different meanings when applied to different situations. You are obviously too dumb to get that.
If you don't think that discussing the meaning of 'relevance' in a situation of declining numbers of church attendance is worth your while, then you're not fit to open a topic that contains the word relevance. Get the fuck out of here, arsehole. [ 14. March 2016, 19:49: Message edited by: LeRoc ]
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by mr cheesy: quote: Originally posted by Stetson: Yes, not endorsing the actual points made by Plato via the Socratic method, which are debatable, to say the least.
Like, just as how you wouldn't take a democratic vote on how to care for your sick horse, you shouldn't take a democratic vote on how to run your society.
And all his opponents can do is nod along with "By Zeus, it is just as you say, Socrates", when confronted with such wise interrogation.
IIRC, Plato/Socrates wasn't too fond of democracy (or maybe that was Aristotle? I need to read them both again) but his ideal political system seemed to be a form of aristocratic ruling class - who exercised in the nude.
Yep. I.F. Stone, among many others, has argued that Socrates whole political agenda was the exaltation of Sparta, to the detriment of Athenian democracy, a cause which naturally attracted the aristocratic youth.
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quote: Originally posted by LeRoc: quote: Frankenstein: My understanding of this familiar word is as per any competent dictionary.
Just to be clear: that's a fucking bullshit answer. On the thread in Purgatory, various people have expressed that the word 'relevant' can mean many things in the context of the question you raised. You opened a thread asking a question, people engage with your question and all you do is make long quotes and answer with "it's as per any competent dictionary".
This is disrespectful towards people who accepted your invitation to have a discussion with you. We know very well what the dictionary says thankyouverymuch; pointing us towards it in this way comes over as very patronising. We also know that words can take on different meanings when applied to different situations. You are obviously too dumb to get that.
If you don't think that discussing the meaning of 'relevance' in a situation of declining numbers of church attendance is worth your while, then you're not fit to open a topic that contains the word relevance. Get the fuck out of here, arsehole.
A very humerous response. You object to.my use of the word 'relevance' and object to my refering you to a dictionary. In response you demonstrate your very limitted control of both the English Language and your temper.
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: A very humerous response. You object to.my use of the word 'relevance' and object to my refering you to a dictionary. In response you demonstrate your very limitted control of both the English Language and your temper.
On the other hand, he can spell...
Also, he is right. You are a patronising gobshite.
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I was going to suggest that refering might be a problem as well, but then I confirmed that it has an entry in Wiktionary. (as a misspelling of "referring".) [ 15. March 2016, 12:04: Message edited by: passer ]
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LOL if you think this a bad temper, you ain't seen nothing yet.
quote: Firenze: On the other hand, he can spell...
The irony … Sometimes one should just allow oneself to savour these little nuggets.
(As some Shipmates know, English isn't my first language. It isn't even my second, so I still make mistakes. I have the feeling that when I type in English, my typing and my thoughts sometimes seem to be out of sync.)
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quote: Originally posted by LeRoc: LOL if you think this a bad temper, you ain't seen nothing yet.
quote: Firenze: On the other hand, he can spell...
The irony … Sometimes one should just allow oneself to savour these little nuggets.
(As some Shipmates know, English isn't my first language. It isn't even my second, so I still make mistakes. I have the feeling that when I type in English, my typing and my thoughts sometimes seem to be out of sync.)
Your command of the "anglosaxon" is excellent.
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Firenze
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: Your command of the "anglosaxon" is excellent.
News just in: Hwæt! anglo-saxon has not been a medium of written communication for the past 900 years. These posts are being written in english, an altogether different language. [ 15. March 2016, 14:54: Message edited by: Firenze ]
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: Your command of the "anglosaxon" is excellent.
Your command of "thinking" appears to be lacking.
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: Your command of the "anglosaxon" is excellent.
Your command of "thinking" appears to be lacking.
Before the Norman Conquest 1066, the English spoke Anglosaxon.
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Alan Cresswell
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Well, d'uh. Do you have any other profound insights to offer?
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Why is everyone saying "duh" all of a sudden? I've seen it on three different threads. Is it the new "asshat"?
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Alan Cresswell
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It's something AngloSaxon.
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: quote: Originally posted by mousethief: quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: Your command of the "anglosaxon" is excellent.
Your command of "thinking" appears to be lacking.
Before the Norman Conquest 1066, the English spoke Anglosaxon.
No, they spoke Anglo-Saxon. But that's rather irrelevant to my point.
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quote: Originally posted by Alan Cresswell: Well, d'uh. Do you have any other profound insights to offer?
It's as profound as anything else going on this board.
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: quote: Originally posted by Alan Cresswell: Well, d'uh. Do you have any other profound insights to offer?
It's as profound as anything else going on this board.
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: quote: Originally posted by Alan Cresswell: Well, d'uh. Do you have any other profound insights to offer?
It's as profound as anything else going on this board.
Can I help you find the door?
Now you're asking the questions. Kind of you.
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quote: Originally posted by LeRoc: I don't have much a problem with Frankenstein opening that thread. It's a subject we've been talking a lot about already of course, but that is true for most threads.
One thing I do have issue with on that thread is him commanding people to look things up on the internet. He should provide links and comment on why he thinks they support his views, not try to let others do his work for him.
I am accessing the internet on a kindle. I am unable to copy/cut/paste hence it's difficult to enter links.
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Alan Cresswell
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: quote: Originally posted by mousethief: Can I help you find the door?
Now you're asking the questions. Kind of you.
Sometimes a question is a suggestion.
Why don't you use technology designed to allow input, rather than technology designed for reading?
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quote: Originally posted by Alan Cresswell: quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: quote: Originally posted by mousethief: Can I help you find the door?
Now you're asking the questions. Kind of you.
Sometimes a question is a suggestion.
Why don't you use technology designed to allow input, rather than technology designed for reading?
I think I do both as I'm sure you do.
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It's more of a wondering. Why would anybody who thinks "The English spoke Anglo-Saxon" to be the most profound thing here stick around this board? Glutton for punishment? Hoping to bring more such light to the heathens? Some kind of stupid fraternity pledge week dare?
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Why do I warrant so much interest?
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: It's more of a wondering. Why would anybody who thinks "The English spoke Anglo-Saxon" to be the most profound thing here stick around this board? Glutton for punishment? Hoping to bring more such light to the heathens? Some kind of stupid fraternity pledge week dare?
"The most profound thing here" are your words. Please remind me of the profound comments made on this theme.
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quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: Why do I warrant so much interest?
We're bored.
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quote: Originally posted by Alan Cresswell: quote: Originally posted by Frankenstein: Why do I warrant so much interest?
We're bored.
I am sorry to hear that you are bored. If you really come from East Kilbride you must be unable to sleep or on night shift. Either way you have my sympathy. I generally turn to the radio, World Service.
Yes I have to admit to.being bored.
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Actually, just settling in for my post lunch coffee and seeking online entertainment. Unfortunately all I have is you.
Though I'm not in the right time zone for the BCB, but I'm sure they'd let me join if I was.
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quote: Originally posted by Alan Cresswell: Actually, just settling in for my post lunch coffee and seeking online entertainment. Unfortunately all I have is you.
Though I'm not in the right time zone for the BCB, but I'm sure they'd let me join if I was.
With all the internet at your disposal... I am not the only one on this web site. It's not that difficult to ignore me. So why?
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LeRoc
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Are we doing haikus?
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Frankenstein
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quote: Originally posted by LeRoc: Are we doing haikus?
If you think so.
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