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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by mr cheesy: quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, wriggle . . . .
How is that wriggling? Pasta wasn't a big part of the British diet until mass production in the 1930s. It didn't become a major part of the diet until the 1970s.
My poking around looking for The Origin of Pasta Bake seemed to suggest the practice of chucking various tin food in a baking dish with pasta can be traced back to the post war years, and then it just kind of stops.
Can't find any actual footprint, but I suppose if people were familiar with dishes like baked ziti and lasagne, that might have been the inspiration, but really, it seems like tuna bake is just like jello fruit salad-- it has its origin in women's lifestyle magazines.
It is kind of mesmerizing to see British folk be so protective of a native Mexican grain. "You will have my sweetcorn when you pry it out of my cold dead hands." [ 20. May 2016, 15:30: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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quetzalcoatl
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Sweetcorn or death!
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Firenze
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I found one - ONE - recipe for tuna pasta bake in the whole BBC recipe archive of, what, 11,000+ dishes?
I wish I'd called the thread 'And then they came for our pan-fried sea bass' or something.
ETA. It contains sweetcorn and peas. Make of that what you will. [ 20. May 2016, 15:37: Message edited by: Firenze ]
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Kelly Alves
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Really?
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Drifting Star
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quote: It contains sweetcorn and peas. Make of that what you will.
Well it is the BBC. That will be the equivalent of inviting a spokesperson from a minor and obscure political party to give an opposing view to the one that all sane people hold, in the interests of balance and objectivity. [ 20. May 2016, 16:07: Message edited by: Drifting Star ]
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L'organist
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posted by Kelly Alves quote: It is kind of mesmerizing to see British folk be so protective of a native Mexican grain. "You will have my sweetcorn when you pry it out of my cold dead hands."
As far as I'm concerned you can keep maize/ sweetcorn: just about bearable popped with salt - never sugar - but as a vegetable tasteless and creamed sweetcorn is vile.
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Lyda*Rose
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I don't care whether or not there is sweet corn or peas in a tuna bake. For me the only non-negotiable is a crushed potato chip/crisp crust.
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quetzalcoatl
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It fascinates me how food elicits such extreme reactions, a kind of purism. People say you must never put X in Y, and I suppose it's partly in jest, but there is a hint of meaning it. Food fascism, to a degree.
But I remember this in music as well, you had to be cool, and it was infra dig to like something else. Well, saying infra dig isn't very cool, sorry. I'm a bad man.
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Leorning Cniht
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quote: Originally posted by mr cheesy: quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, wriggle . . . .
How is that wriggling? Pasta wasn't a big part of the British diet until mass production in the 1930s. It didn't become a major part of the diet until the 1970s.
And even in the 70s, loads of people weren't really sure what to make of it. I have, somewhere, a 1970s cookbook featuring a chocolate macaroni pudding (it was between the rice pudding and something weird with jelly).
(Whenever I make a fish pie, I have to put in extra boiled eggs, because everyone always wants one.)
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quote: Originally posted by Drifting Star: quote: It contains sweetcorn and peas. Make of that what you will.
Well it is the BBC. That will be the equivalent of inviting a spokesperson from a minor and obscure political party to give an opposing view to the one that all sane people hold, in the interests of balance and objectivity.
Also known as The Referendum (which side is the sane one is up to you)
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Lyda*Rose: This discussion is almost as interesting as the British diet.
We have over 300 kinds of cheese (more than France) and a good deal our food is distinctly regional. Ten years ago there was a debate in This Place about barm cakes and these were different things in places just ten miles apart.
If there is no such thing as British cuisine it is because it varies too much from place to place, like our weather.
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quote: Originally posted by Drifting Star: quote: It contains sweetcorn and peas. Make of that what you will.
Well it is the BBC. That will be the equivalent of inviting a spokesperson from a minor and obscure political party to give an opposing view to the one that all sane people hold, in the interests of balance and objectivity.
Also known as The Referendum (which side is the sane one is up to you)
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Penny S
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I think our fish pie was eggless on the wartime principle that you only used one form of protein in a dish. And we lived in a fishing port.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
If there is no such thing as British cuisine it is because it varies too much from place to place, like our weather.
Gee, it must suck to have people homogenize your culture without taking into account your regional variety.
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Drifting Star
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You just can't imagine how terrible it is, Kelly.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by L'organist: posted by Kelly Alves quote: It is kind of mesmerizing to see British folk be so protective of a native Mexican grain. "You will have my sweetcorn when you pry it out of my cold dead hands."
As far as I'm concerned you can keep maize/ sweetcorn: just about bearable popped with salt - never sugar - but as a vegetable tasteless and creamed sweetcorn is vile.
That's about where I'm at. I'm not even a big popcorn fan. I kind of like it on the cob, but otherwise I only eat it out of courtesy.
And to paraphrase a friend, eating creamed corn is like throwing up backwards. [ 20. May 2016, 18:54: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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Leorning Cniht
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And to paraphrase a friend, eating creamed corn is like throwing up backwards.
Wait - people eat that? I thought its only purpose was baking into a casserole. (If you were thinking of making that, chop some green chili in to it.)
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Firenze
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There's a Recipe thread in Heaven, you know that?
Meanwhile, a national treasure is destroyed by a crowd of elitist ideologues and do you lot care?
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Ariel
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quote: Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan: quote: Originally posted by Firenze: I like the idea of, say, the medieval English sitting about waiting for the arrival of tinned tuna so they have something to cook with.
Yes, but they'd be waiting even longer for ye means of opening said tinnes.
Ah, come on. With all those knights clanking around all over the place. Someone must have invented the medieval tin-opener if only to cope with those terrible helmets getting jammed down over someone's face.
quote: Originally posted by Jane R: I put leeks in my tuna bake, actually.
No, you don't. You put tuna in your leek bake.
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Doc Tor
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quote: Originally posted by Firenze: There's a Recipe thread in Heaven, you know that?
Meanwhile, a national treasure is destroyed by a crowd of elitist ideologues and do you lot care?
Hah. Junior hosting.
But she's not wrong. If you want to discuss recipes, you can all fuck off from here. If you want to discuss the Evil Tories™ and their wicked plans to smash our beloved BBC for fun and profit (their's) you may continue to do so at your convenience.
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anoesis
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quote: Originally posted by Firenze: I like the idea of, say, the medieval English sitting about waiting for the arrival of tinned tuna so they have something to cook with.
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'What about ye Hot Food of the Indies shoppe?'
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'Looketh like it will be the chicken with almonds and saffron* for the tea then.'
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Tea? In 1390? Have I missed something? 'Forsooth, there is no tea at all, Arnulf,'
'Never mind, wilt thou then have a ciggie?'
Which is not to say it isn't brilliant. And maybe the tea thing was a bait to which I rose like, say, a big stupid tuna. So can me.
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Firenze
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'So, Udo, what else seeth thou in thy scrying stone?'
'Fearful thinges, Master Arnulf. That men will presently put fysh and a sort of small hard bread and yellow grains lyk unto the shitte of hennes into ane dishe and bakke it'.
'Let us be thankfull ye Blacke Deeth will carry us off ere that'.
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Moo
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: And to paraphrase a friend, eating creamed corn is like throwing up backwards.
Up until the 1970s, canned creamed corn did not have added sugar. It was quite tasty. Then one brand after another started adding sugar.
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Dave W.
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: I have one more thing to say about the Freedom Fries thing (CRESSWELL). My recollection is that this sweeping name change only took place in the Pentagon canteen, and the entire rest of the nation thought it was stupid. Or maybe thought it was funny for fifteen seconds, then thought it was stupid.
Pentagon canteen? Please! An idiocy so sublime could only have issued from one source: the US House of Representatives.
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Kelly Alves
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I just had this residual mental image of septuagenarian idiotic suits high- fiving each other. Somewhere on Capitol Hill. [ 21. May 2016, 01:14: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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anoesis
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And to paraphrase a friend, eating creamed corn is like throwing up backwards.
You could not have summed up my feelings about the stuff more exactly than this...
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Alan Cresswell
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Why would anyone want to cream corn? The texture of corn is one of the reasons for putting it in stuff. And, as noted it's already sweet (guess that's why they call it sweet corn) - which is a reason to add it to tuna pasta bake, it offsets the tang of the chilli flakes in a sweet-and-sour sort of way - so why then go and add sugar to it?
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Doc Tor
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You're all still talking about recipes. Hell is not the place to do that, unless you want to discuss how tasty your liver would be, lightly fried with some fava beans.
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