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balaam
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: Martin is two quarks playing poker.
Yes, I'd go with that.
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Martin60
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Bloody good question Ariel. It's a compulsion. Which is NO excuse.
I wouldn't mind the look of a corpse flower, but hopefully it will be a day or three before I smell like one.
Sigh.
I came here June 2001. Feels earlier. 46 then. I came very damaged just before incurring the worst to date. Nobody's fault. Any of it. And everybody's. I chose the wrong parents for a start.
I came as a neo-evangelical from a reformed cult that had had only one good thing going for it: it wasn't damnationist. Everything else was toxic, although it did reform gradually in my time of 30 years of ever deeper to complete association, until it was transformed.
It was pacifist but its God wasn't. An ... interesting combination. So I came here, the justifier of God the killer and inclusive. Another ... interesting combination.
And I encountered giants here.
And beyond. Baxter-Kruger. Bell. Nouwen. McLaren. Many more from history. Only in the past half dozen years have I been overwhelmed by postmodernism, now happily.
Where the hell am I going with this? Context. Story. Background. Explanation.
For my pissing off mousethief above all. And it's not him. It's me.
I come allergic to denominational claims of any and every kind. I HAVE to include those who reject me on some denominational basis.
He didn't. Reject me. But I kept assuming he did. I kept probing. He'd reassure. But some part of me didn't believe it.
I expect to be excluded by Roman Catholics and of course Muslims. I can cope with that. Mainly. I know LOVELY Roman Catholics and Muslims. And the Orthodox. I expect to be excluded by them. mousethief being a convert, a refugee from US evangelicalism to Orthodoxy I believe, just HAD to exclude me, in my mind.
And I found what I was looking for. Even when it wasn't there.
And even if it were, if it really is, I was wrong in how I behaved toward him.
And I'm sorry.
And I'm STILL behaving badly as paul pointed out.
"I do not understand what I do ..."
I claim to embrace myself, but I don't. I really, really don't. The raging adolescent. The worse man. Quite quietly, mundanely, ordinarily ghastly stuff. And I ... externalize it.
If I had twenty grand I'd put myself through no holds barred analysis for a year. But as I can't, you guys have had to put up with me 'refining' my fluxing position here. Warts and all.
I'm VERY grateful for SOF, for ALL of you, without exception and absent friends. Ken. God I miss him.
So, I'm in recovery, from life. And I want to make amends. [ 02. June 2016, 20:39: Message edited by: Martin60 ]
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Twilight
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quote: Originally posted by Ariel: It's a discussion board, it's entertainment, it's light relief, something to do in your spare time, somewhere to exchange ideas and meet other people. Not the be-all and end-all, a platform for preaching or a place to win souls.
Why can't it be all those things? I think an internet message board can be the ideal place to preach, win souls, or bare your own. It can be the stranger on a plane who hears stories you could never tell the people you have to face every day.
I love getting to know shipmates a little better, it doesn't all have to be limited to favorite movies or views on predestination.
So, I appreciate Martin's post above and was thinking about Ken yesterday. I really, really miss him, too.
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rolyn
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I don't normally come here this late, but so glad I have. That is one hell of of post Martin. Think KA might have been right with her ratio, even that sounds a bit generous now.
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cliffdweller
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I appreciated Martin's post as well. I feel like I understand you a bit better, and that's a lovely thing.
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mousethief
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Hell of a post. Explains a lot. I really do appreciate it.
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Kelly Alves
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Damn.
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roybart
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Thank you, Martin. For the information you give us in that post and for the way you present it. I suspect you have much to teach poor souls like me,
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RooK
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Holy shit. Suddenly this whole drudging thing is worthwhile.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by RooK: Holy shit. Suddenly this whole drudging thing is worthwhile.
For real huh?
I'm gonna sing kumbaya, RooK. Kill me if you must, but that's the only way you'll stop me. This is a genuine fucking kumbayah moment. Here I go. SOMEONE'S CRYING, LOOORRRD....
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Martin60
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I very quietly burst in to tears, over my muesli, which I was concerned not to get snot in, mustn't disturb the missus, who is common sense on one and a half legs. I call her 'Miss'. I then all but silently burst out laughing, Kelly.
I am amazed at the sense of relief.
Thank you.
Thank you everyone.
Thank you God.
Thank you mousethief.
(Should have left it there, but I HAVE to spoil it: The raging 'quirky' pedant in me can't fish or cut bait over whether to change 'which I was concerned not to get snot in' to 'in which I was concerned not to get snot'. What do you think? I mean I know the latter is correcter but the former is colloquial. There had been a 'for' before the 'which'. That had to go.
Moods eh?)
Yours in subclinical OCD, ADHD, PTSD, Tourette's, Stendhal's (+ whatever else it is that overwhelms me with beauty), anxiety-depression, CLINICAL RABBIT IN THE HEADLIGHTS PARALYSING INTRUSIVE THINKING! Shame, denial, shame, projection, blah-di-bloody-blah
love
Martin
(What took me so FUCKING long?!)
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Kelly Alves
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Thank you back, Marty.
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Marvin the Martian
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I never expected this thread to reach two pages, never mind six.
I certainly never expected it to get so real. Or so feel.
I almost think it needs to be Limboed as an example of how Hell Calls can contribute to this crazy little community in a positive way.
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mdijon
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quote: Originally posted by Martin60: So, I'm in recovery, from life. And I want to make amends.
I could offer to join the club. Or vice versa.
Missing Ken too.
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Kelly Alves
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Heh. Last night I almost typed "you're a mess, dude- join the club " but I decided I'd used up my smartass points for the night.
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Lyda*Rose
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: I never expected this thread to reach two pages, never mind six.
I certainly never expected it to get so real. Or so feel.
I almost think it needs to be Limboed as an example of how Hell Calls can contribute to this crazy little community in a positive way.
Go for it.
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mdijon
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: but I decided I'd used up my smartass points for the night.
Nah I reckon you had some left.
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rolyn
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: This is a genuine fucking kumbayah moment. Here I go. SOMEONE'S CRYING, LOOORRRD....
I was only thinking about Comet the other day when we had arrived at "group hugs" stage. Then damn it all, the very same long-lost Comet turns up in Heaven looking for a meet ??!
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by mdijon: quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: but I decided I'd used up my smartass points for the night.
Nah I reckon you had some left.
( clears throat)
You're once... Twice... Two thirds a Martyyyy...
(Sorry. )
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rolyn
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Err, correction. Comet-meet is in All Saints.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: quote: Originally posted by mdijon: quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: but I decided I'd used up my smartass points for the night.
Nah I reckon you had some left.
( clears throat)
You're once... Twice... Two thirds a Martyyyy...
(Sorry. )
I'm sorry, mdijon, for some reason I thought you were rolyn when I wrote that.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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From one recovering mess to another...
Thanks for that Martin.
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rolyn
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"It's my Marty, I'll cry if I want to" ---- Kelly?
I foresee one of two outcomes here. Either this thread is moved elsewhere or comet turns up to whack us with something rusty.
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Doc Tor
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This ain't comet's patch any more.
And yes, that grinding noise you hear is the whetstone. I'll check again in the morning: if you haven't all buggered off by then, there'll be trouble...
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: I almost think it needs to be Limboed as an example of how Hell Calls can contribute to this crazy little community in a positive way.
If we do it in a hurry it could be a Rush Limbo.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Martin60: (Should have left it there, but I HAVE to spoil it: The raging 'quirky' pedant in me can't fish or cut bait over whether to change 'which I was concerned not to get snot in' to 'in which I was concerned not to get snot'. What do you think? I mean I know the latter is correcter but the former is colloquial. There had been a 'for' before the 'which'. That had to go.
Moods eh?)
Snot acceptable.
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Lyda*Rose
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: I almost think it needs to be Limboed as an example of how Hell Calls can contribute to this crazy little community in a positive way.
If we do it in a hurry it could be a Rush Limbo.
Groan.
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mdijon
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: I'm sorry, mdijon, for some reason I thought you were rolyn when I wrote that.
There was I think you were trying to cosy up.
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rolyn
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quote: Originally posted by mdijon: quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: I'm sorry, mdijon, for some reason I thought you were rolyn when I wrote that.
There was I think you were trying to cosy up.
Don't somehow think Kelly is out to cosy up with me either, in Hell or out of it.
When I lurked the Ship for a year before joining it did have a feeling of 'messed up dudes' only need apply. It's been good. We piss each other off from time to time, that can be scary but the whole experience is often positive as this thread has well proven.
<moves swiftly out the way of DT's freshly sharpened trident>
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Doc Tor
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Look, seriously: I'd much rather this thread sank gracefully down the board than it turn into, I don't know, the Rolyn and Martin Love-In. But I can still set fire to it, if that's what you really want.
I'm glad it's all group hugs and kumbaya - now fuck off and bother some other board.
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Take our party elsewhere?
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cliffdweller
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quote: Originally posted by Doc Tor: , the Rolyn and Martin Love-In.
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Martin60
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mousethief man, it's like Cat on Red Dwarf turning in to Duane Dibbley the Duke of Dork, you've lost your mojo, your elan, your piss and vinegar, I mean you've grown mellow and groannnnn punny and ... I'm shaking my head at this unintended consequence. I mean HEAVY collateral man. Please can I piss you off royally for many years again? The cure looks worse than the disease!
I mean it's as if you feel SAFE or somethin'!
Just sayin'
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mousethief
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I used to regularly get called to Hell for posting one-liner jokes to other people's posts. I risked a couple here, hoping that nobody would call me out for falling back into bad habits. Not dreaming someone would call me out for falling into new.
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mdijon
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It's the snotty attitude rather than the length of the post.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by mdijon: It's the snotty attitude rather than the length of the post.
Here we go with the snot again.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by mdijon: It's the snotty attitude rather than the length of the post.
Were you here? The length of the post was the thing most cited by far. "One-liner! One-liner!" People accused me of one-liners long after I actually abandoned the practice. I had to challenge one person who accused me of posting one-liners to look at my last 50 posts and find a one-liner. They couldn't of course. (I checked first to make sure, I'm not stupid.)
So it may have been the snotty attitude more than the length. But you wouldn't have known that from the complaints.
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mdijon
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OK so that was a one-liner fail. It was meant to be a reference to snot and also, circularly, a one-liner criticizing one-liners. A deprecatingly self-referential one-liner that works on different levels.
Maybe it's not so compelling when you explain it. I tried.
(And yes I was here and I do remember it - as well as the last 50 post thing).
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Martin60
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That's better. Whew!
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Doone
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I must confess, against my better judgement and having drunk a fair bit of wine, but I love you guys for making me laugh and cry in equal measure. If this is Hell, I'm in
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: I used to regularly get called to Hell for posting one-liner jokes to other people's posts. I risked a couple here, hoping that nobody would call me out for falling back into bad habits. Not dreaming someone would call me out for falling into new.
I think you need to add "...because I personally just can't fucking win, can I?" to your sig
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Golden Key
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mt--
Your humor adds an important flavoring to the Ship. And IMHO one-liners are classic humor.
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mousethief
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Just for you, Kelly.
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Kelly Alves
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Glad I saw that before I turned in.
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Ariel
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quote: Originally posted by Doone: If this is Hell, I'm in
This isn't Hell, it's Hello. Just add your own Kitty for extra special cuteness.
quote: Originally posted by Doc Tor: But I can still set fire to it, if that's what you really want.
Yes please.
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Doc Tor
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Well, since you asked so nicely, and the denizens seem to be intent on making this an outpost of the Circus, despite my entreaties...
Thread closed. Get off my lawn. Damn kids.
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