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Sipech
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My murine guests are back. [Eek!]

Any hints on how to lure them onto the mousetraps? I've currently got them armed with chocolate, though this current bunch seem to be keen on old carrots.

I noticed a rustling in the kitchen and saw a tail quickly disappear down the side of the washing machine. It had nibbled a hole in the bottom of a bin liner. I placed a trap by the hole, but the next morning the trap was gone. No sign of it anywhere!

Last night, when chopping some carrots for dinner, a small bit fell on the floor. As an experiment I placed it next to one of the traps; this morning, that little bit of carrot was gone but the trap hadn't been sprung.

In the past, I've tried arming the traps with carrot but they then never touch the traps.

So what might you try if you were in my position?

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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I hear they're partial to corn flakes. Never had the opportunity to try it myself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
My murine guests are back. [Eek!]

<snip>

So what might you try if you were in my position?

Oor wee cowerin' timorous Scottish beasties like peanut butter. Smooth or crunchy.

Cattyish, trying to keep the jars separate.

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So do our Westmerian ones
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quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
My murine guests are back. [Eek!]

I never knew this definition of 'murine' (thanks, Sipech). So now I'm wondering how ' Murine' got its name.
[Confused]

(Sorry for the tangent...)

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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What would the Ship be without tangents? [Razz]

I wonder if Murine was named on the notion that those little red veins in irritated eyes look like mouse tails?

The Latin for mouse is mus. "Muscle" is musculus in Latin, or "little mouse" -- because that's what it looks like running up and down your biceps when you flex them.

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Sipech
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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
What would the Ship be without tangents? [Razz]

A non differentiable manifold witness!

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
My murine guests are back. [Eek!]

I never knew this definition of 'murine' (thanks, Sipech). So now I'm wondering how ' Murine' got its name.
[Confused]

(Sorry for the tangent...)

Apparently, some of the earlier (c. 1911) Murine eye drops were basically a weak solution of borax. I wondered if hydrochloric acid (aka muriatic acid) might have been used in the preparation. But I'm wondering if the simplest answer is that muria is the Latin for brine or salt water. Certainly the American Academy of Medicine was not impressed with the product in the early C20th.
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I need a new DVD recorder, and I'm wondering which type to go for. I've just come back from visiting friends who have a Tivo and very impressed by that. However I don't have cable or satellite TV, only Freeview, so would I gain anything by getting a Tivo?

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You could get a Freeview+ box - or whatever they are calling recordable Freeview boxes nowadays

Similar to a Tivo in that it will record your programmes and you can set up series link recordings, though I'm not sure if it would do the Tivo thing of automatically recording "suggestions" of other programmes based on other things you like

If they come with Freeview play then you can connect them to the internet and get Catchup services like BBC iPlayer and also Youtube/Netflix

some of them combine a TV hard drive and a DVD player all in the one machine

Freeview recorders in John lewis

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quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
My murine guests are back. [Eek!]

Any hints on how to lure them onto the mousetraps?


Peanut butter smeared all around the trigger mechanism works well for us. We used to keep a small jar of creamy around for such purposes, as it is better for getting into the cracks on the trigger.

The next level of escalation was to drill a hole in an almond and wire it to the trigger. They'll typically try to run off with the whole nut rather than licking off the peanut butter, which isn't always enough to trigger the trap.

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Sipech
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I daren't bring peanut butter into my home. I've found that the guest is in fact rather larger than a mouse. About 6-8 inches long (excluding tail) when it ran past me at 5am yesterday morning, having woken me up by gnawing at an empty milk bottle.

I've found that it's quite partial to carrot dipped in caramel. Stage 1 was to leave a bit on the kitchen floor - this was taken. Stage 2 was to put some on an unset trap - this too was taken. Stage 3 was to put some some on a set trap - I will find out the result when I get home tonight.

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NB this isn't a medical question, it's got nothing to do with my health.

If someone was in their 60s and discovered that they had a genetic condition, would it ever be necessary to establish whether the condition had been inherited from their mother or father?

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Brenda Clough
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It might be of interest not for the parents, but for any children. It is certainly worth the children knowing, because if/when they have children it might be important. Who knows where science will have taken us, two or three generations down the pike?

The inheritance of many conditions (like hemophilia) are sex-linked. Or, you can spot a family tendency to problems by scoping out the family history. Bruce Springsteen, the rock star, has an autobiography coming out, in which he discusses the strain of mental illness than seems to run in his family. There was never a diagnosis, back when his grandparents were alive, but it was clear even to him, a little boy, that there was a fatal family tendency.

I am still waiting to find out what happened to Sipech and the caramel.

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quote:
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If someone was in their 60s and discovered that they had a genetic condition, would it ever be necessary to establish whether the condition had been inherited from their mother or father?

I could think of reasons. For example, if genetic from the father, it is doubtful that it started with the father, but was handed down to him too. It might therefore follow that others in the father's family tree (his siblings and their descendants, for example) would have the same genetic condition, and they might like to know. Under that situation, there would be no need to track down relatives on the mother's side, who was not the source of the condition.

Or am I misunderstanding the question?

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I can think of some really rare and esoteric cases where someone might want to know, but it seems to me very unlikely. I do know that there is such a thing as paternal/maternal imprinting (is that the word?) of genes--basically something that differs on the gene depending on whether you got it from father or mother--and that affects whether and how the gene gets expressed. If there is a disease under discussion, the matter might become relevant. But I can only see this happening if the answer wasn't obvious already, e.g. if the gene is expressed only when inherited from one's mother, and it leads to growing two purple heads, you wouldn't do investigation to see what the situation was at the gene level--you'd just look for the two heads. It would also have to really matter--for example, if someone might have inherited a gene that was not expressed (because inherited from father, or whatever) but she can still pass it to her children where it will be expressed because for them it comes maternally, AND the result of expression is that you grow six foot fangs--well, in that case you might want to investigate. But you might not need to get into the whole mother/father thing--you just want to know whether the freaking gene is there at all, expressed or otherwise. So it might be easier just to get out the DNA analysis kit and forget about parents.
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Ach, it might also be necessary if you were trying to establish either maternity or paternity in an inheritance case--and the genetic condition, whatever it is, seems to be at odds with the putative parents. Queen Victoria and the whole hemophilia thing comes to mind. If one were trying to establish Jewishness among those who assign it only to those born of a Jewish woman, then a genetic disease or characteristic highly specific to Jewish people might lead a person to ask which side it came down, with an eye to establishing (or not) his/her sociolegal status (which might bear on whether one was required to go through a formal conversion ceremony to Judaism, or whether the law of return applied to him/her).

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If I have a length of rope and want to tie one end around something like a carabiner and make a fixed loop in the other end, what knots would you suggest I use?

(Basically need to form very large loop to feed through a long tube in order to be able to lift it, but need to be able to undo rope to unwind something stored around the tube. I can't store it upright.)

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Some knots

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The usual fixed knot is a bowline

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Brenda Clough
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If the rope and knot are going to be in any way important (i.e. holding something heavy onto your car, or the safety of the ship depending on it, etc.) I would get someone who knows their knots, and not try to learn on the job. Do they still make Boy Scouts learn knots? It was the only skill my husband picked up in Scouts and I make him do all the rope and knot stuff.

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quote:
Originally posted by kingsfold:
If I have a length of rope and want to tie one end around something like a carabiner and make a fixed loop in the other end, what knots would you suggest I use?

There are many ways that could be done, some of which might not require that the rope be untied to unwind stuff from the tube.

But as far as knots go, the bowline is convenient, though takes a bit of practice to get it right every time (otherwise it just comes apart). You can make the bowline "slippery" by tucking a loop under the last rope rather than an end - that makes it much easier to untie.

When safety is critical the "figure-8 follow-through" (or "figure-8 loop") is what we mostly used in rescue work, with an additional stopper knot (free end tied around rope) to keep it from working loose under varying tension. It's easy to tie when the end of the rope is free, and can still be tied around something if you start with a figure-of-8 knot in the standing part of the rope and weave the end back through it. It takes longer to tie, however.

If you are using a carabiner anyway, it may be easier to make a sling that slips through the tube with a loop in each end, and clip those to a carabiner on the end of your rope. Unclipping the ends is much faster than untying a knot, and if done properly you could leave the sling through the tube when not in use so you don't have to thread the rope each time.

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Thanks folks, that's given me a few hints.
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What was Mediteranean cookery like before the discovery of the Americas? We tend to think of tomatoes when we think of Italian cookery, for instance - or I do - but tomatoes were an import from the New World.

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quote:
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What was Mediteranean cookery like before the discovery of the Americas?

It was probably all "archetypal" Roman cookery so, presumably, roast dormouse and bl**dy olives.

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Brenda Clough
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There are at least a couple Ancient-Rome cookbooks around. Fennel and lovage featured prominently in the Romans' cooking.

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Firenze

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You had rotted fish sauce (liquamen) on everything. And you probably had a lot of everything on bread - a free grain dole was used to keep the plebs happy (the bread in Bread and Circuses). There are entire hillsides in Rome made of the bits of amphora used to store olive oil. And while they may not have had tomatoes, they had all the other fruit and veg that grow round the Mediterranean.

I fancy everyday food would be something like you have in the Greek islands.

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It was for centuries a cuisine without tomatoes, potatoes, sugar and chocolate but many people managed quite healthily on grains, fruit and vegetables, with honey and figs, eggs, nuts, bread, cheese and olives. Fish and seafood also played a large part for coastal communities and chickens and meat for the better off. And yes there was pasta (though not as much as there is now) and it is likely there was a form of pizza in Roman times - somewhere there's a record of some sort of baked dough slice topped with cheese and onions.

Roman cooking was fairly distinctive. I still have Apicius' recipe book and have made dishes from it. It's the most complete recipe book available. Many people seem to think of the description of Trimalchio's Feast in Petronius' "Satyricon", which is a satire and doesn't reflect ordinary reality (so please forget the dormice, they really aren't representative).

Your average Roman's diet would have depended on what they could afford, or what they were able to grow. I've mentioned most of the things already. They did know about rice but it was a luxury food specially imported from India at a price beyond most people's pockets. There were also street vendors who would sell you fast food. You could get sausages, though whether they were ever sold in a bun with onions isn't recorded.

Food was flavoured with herbs and spices. The better off went for some fairly heavy spice and herb combinations, some of which are quite jarring to modern tastes, and lovage, which has quite a distinctive flavour, was a particular favourite. There was also "garum", the famous Roman fish sauce, for which the closest modern equivalent is said to be Thai fish sauce, and vinegar and honey were also used.

As time passed and the Roman empire began to fall apart, local influences became more pronounced so that by the Renaissance, the more affluent were still going with the medieval idea of the four humours as applied to cooking. Fish, being cold and moist, had to be counterbalanced by a hot dry sauce, and so on. The less affluent continued to eat whatever they could get. The discovery of America didn't alter things significantly at first and tomatoes were smaller, paler, different colours, and altogether less popular than they are now and took some determined growing and marketing before people would accept them. People were suspicious of the potato at first but then took to it. The turnip fell from favour at that point, possibly because potatoes were easier to prepare and cook, and has never regained its popularity.

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Olives stuffed with anchovies, fruit in savoury dishes and the bread looked and tasted like atotties. I have a recipe book at home and have made Roman food.

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The other thing we would notice (if we stepped into the time machine and popped out in Nero's Rome) is how little sweetening there was. We hardly notice the sugar that manufacturers smuggle into tomato sauce, cereals, salad dressings, etc. The Romans had neither sugar cane nor sugar beets; honey was the only way to go if you wanted sweetening. That meant that sweetness was expensive, for rich people. Roman chefs would, for instance, sugar the meat for banquets -- ew!

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Penny S
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Nice dish with cooked fresh peas, chopped white of boiled eggs, chopped spring onions, olive oil, topped with the yolks pushed through a sieve. I put this Roman dish in our school cook book. Also one with lamb and lovage.
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Latin cookbook.

(Probably more reflective of the wealthy than the plebs though ...)

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The Romans had neither sugar cane nor sugar beets; honey was the only way to go if you wanted sweetening. That meant that sweetness was expensive, for rich people. Roman chefs would, for instance, sugar the meat for banquets -- ew!

Honey, and also figs and dates for sweet things. And they didn't sugar the meat, they'd make a sauce using honey, and wine and spices. Cooking with honey is much nicer than cooking with sugar, by the way. As for "sweetmeats", if you think about it, in this era, there are quite a few Chinese dishes that manage to be both sweet and savoury and delicious. "Sweet and sour" being one of the most popular and duck in plum sauce being another.

Anyhow, that's the Romans: as for Mediterranean cooking in general (Spain and Greece and so on), there were always regional traditions which expanded as and when areas were introduced to new items that the Romans brought. After the Roman Empire’s influence declined the regional traditions flourished more and with the course of history, diverged into the culinary traditions that we have today. The mezze of the Near and Middle East was brought to Spain by the Islamic Conquest and became tapas. The French, by contrast, went the other way and French cuisine needs no description.

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quote:
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I daren't bring peanut butter into my home. I've found that the guest is in fact rather larger than a mouse. About 6-8 inches long (excluding tail) when it ran past me at 5am yesterday morning, having woken me up by gnawing at an empty milk bottle.

I've found that it's quite partial to carrot dipped in caramel. Stage 1 was to leave a bit on the kitchen floor - this was taken. Stage 2 was to put some on an unset trap - this too was taken. Stage 3 was to put some some on a set trap - I will find out the result when I get home tonight.

There's a big drive on here to get rid of rats & other predators for the sake of threatened native species (New Zealand had no native mammals so birds felt safe nesting on the ground – and of course some of the nasties climb anyway). So anyone who wants to can ask for a free trap, and I gather some not far from here are reporting large numbers of dead rats and mice. And peanut butter seems to be the most effective bait.

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Does anybody have any bright ideas for a good online source of:
1) region 1 DVDs
2) audio books

available in the UK, but not via Amazon?

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You could try whsmith.co.uk for Audiobooks.

Do Waterstones do them online?

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quote:
Originally posted by Galloping Granny:
There's a big drive on here to get rid of rats & other predators for the sake of threatened native species (New Zealand had no native mammals so birds felt safe nesting on the ground – and of course some of the nasties climb anyway).
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I saw a recent Dominion-Post (Wellington newspaper) headline that said
[I]Make Wellington predator free) and amused myself for a while pondering on the human predators who would have to leave the Capital if this edict was applied over all species.

Certain moneylenders, landlords, con artists and other nasties would have to find somewhere else to live. (Not Christchurch - we have enough of our own).

Huia

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quote:
Originally posted by ArachnidinElmet:
Does anybody have any bright ideas for a good online source of:
1) region 1 DVDs
2) audio books

available in the UK, but not via Amazon?

Are you ISO of specific audiobooks, or just in general? Nearly every audio book purveyor is on Amazon, because they are the big dog and widely available.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
quote:
Originally posted by ArachnidinElmet:
Does anybody have any bright ideas for a good online source of:
1) region 1 DVDs
2) audio books

available in the UK, but not via Amazon?

Are you ISO of specific audiobooks, or just in general? Nearly every audio book purveyor is on Amazon, because they are the big dog and widely available.
Nothing specific, just hoping for a hypothetical alternative source. I keep reading about interesting book recordings and I'd rather someone else received my money.

Thanks, Baptist Trainfan. I'll give WH Smiths a go.

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AiE--

Are you looking specifically for recent books?

If not, you might try the LibriVox Free Audiobook Collection (Internet Archive). I've listened to a few of these. They're done by volunteer readers, so they're not necessarily professional performers and the quality varies. It can be like someone reading you a bedtime story, or like a theater student, or like a professional actor. LibriVox has more than 10,000 entries.

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Golden Key
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LibriVox--better link.

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S'funny. I just read about this today.

Thanks, Golden Key, I'll check it out.

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AiE - I've just been poking round Blackwell's site, and they stock audio books too. Currently have an offer on of free delivery if you order over £10 worth of stuff - only reason I'm not tempted is I always go into the shop to collect...

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Thanks for the info, CK.

I've got a birthday coming up, maybe I'll pass on some of the links as a gentle hint.

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I need advice on the best way to mark/identify old photographs. I have a ton of old pictures (mostly undated and unidentified, but I can guess the majority of them). I am getting some of them ready to send to the Historical Society in the town where I grew up (I have verified that they would welcome them). I don't want to write on the backs of them with any sort of pen that will smudge or that will leak through to the front. Any suggestions?

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Small sticky notes. I presume they're going to find a more permanent way of housing them, and that will give them the right information.

Alternately, use light pencil on the back.

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...or, if you have a scanner, scan them then annotate them and send them off digitally - or load them on a pendrive or disc or some other device and take them in.

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Years ago I was taught that if you write on the back of a photo with a pencil, it's okay.

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I write on a self adhesive label in pen, then stick it to the back of the photo.
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quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
Years ago I was taught that if you write on the back of a photo with a pencil, it's okay.

Moo

Make sure it's a very soft-leaded one.
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