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Mamacita
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Originally posted by Via Media:
Here is a beautiful video of the Metropolitan Steven Anderson celebrating the IFB Divine Liturgy in Phoenix, Arizona. Simply enchanting.
Via Media, the link you provided gives us a YouTube item titled "Baptist Preacher Heckled for Preaching Against Obama,' which doesn't exactly match the description in your post.
OK, my brain is all fogged up with a cold and I'm a little slow on the uptake. It's still the wrong video, though.
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Some of these are quite nice. Others less successful. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Following a link trail from somebody's post on the bishop-cathedral thread, I stumbled across the video webcasts (both live and archived) from cathedral-like First United Methodist of Fort Worth. In my opinion, it gives a good look at typical Methodist liturgy and ceremonial in the US.
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Here's something that just came to my attention today - a rite I'd never seen (or even heard of) before. It's a video of the beginning of a Sarum rite called "The Reconciliation of Penitents." Thought it might be of interest to some here.
They're singing Psalm 34/(33):12 - Venite, venite, venite, filii; audite me : timorem Domini docebo vos. ("Come, children, hearken to me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.").
It's a little strange to think of people being kicked out of the church for the entirety of Lent - but the rite itself is really pretty, I think. I like the bare feet....
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Oh dear, that's pure 'Pass The Hamster'.
I've seen some very good worship dance, but that wasn't it.
She needs a choreographer, and she needs to be shown how to finish her movements properly.
I could also do without the move where she's trying to do a lift with an invisible partner - the Jesus Presslift, if you will.
And will somebody please help her open those darn windows? She keeps trying and they're obviously stuck.
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And now, High Mass
Here's another of the entrance and solemn procession. You can't see a blessed thing, but it shows off the organ and the fact that there are some things that Catholics will sing.
The rest of the mass can also be found there.
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Mamacita
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What a beautiful set of pictures, Oblatus! Your photographer is not only skilled in his art but he clearly knows the liturgy well enough to capture sublime moments, and he also knows the architecture of your church well enough to show it to its best advantage. (And I will say it again: best rood screen in Christendom. Or at least in Chicago. )
I haven't seen anyone kiss the bishop's ring in a long, long time. I like the juxtaposition of the bishop then kissing the cross. I have no doubt that ++Jeffrey loved being a part of this liturgy.
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Olaf
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Indeed, thank you. Who else in the area but Ascension would have a green cope? (BTW, what color is the rector's cope?)
In the two pontifical Masses I attended there, the bishop and the rector were seated on the opposite sides (bishop on north, rector on south). Was there a reason for the switch?
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TubaMirum
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What a gorgeous church! I have to second Mamacita's assessment of that amazing rood screen, too.
Just beautiful. I posted a couple of images on my blog; I hope that's OK....
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Indeed, thank you. Who else in the area but Ascension would have a green cope? (BTW, what color is the rector's cope?)
It's basically gold with a hunter-green or forest-green trim and hood.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by Martin L:
Indeed, thank you. Who else in the area but Ascension would have a green cope? (BTW, what color is the rector's cope?)
It's basically gold with a hunter-green or forest-green trim and hood.
I think it's the first cope that has ever impressed me.
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One of the most beautiful liturgies I've seen. I've always had a great love for eastern Christianity.
Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a female server to whom the celebrant hands the thurible at !:07? I know these are Greek Catholics and not Orthodox, but I thought women within the iconostasis were verbotten. But maybe I just made that up.
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Hm, you know, I didn't notice that until now. That would be a big no-no in Orthodoxy, but perhaps Eastern Catholicism follows Roman rules in this regard? I will look into it.
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From last year on Ash Wednesday, Pope Benedict XVI at the Basilica of St. Sabina, the entrance chant for Mass on Ash Wednesday: Misereris omnium .
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by FCB:
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Originally posted by Guardog:
One of the most beautiful liturgies I've seen. I've always had a great love for eastern Christianity.
Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a female server to whom the celebrant hands the thurible at !:07? I know these are Greek Catholics and not Orthodox, but I thought women within the iconostasis were verbotten. But maybe I just made that up.
Your eyes do not deceive you, and it is precisely discussion of that very observation that led the poster of the video (who is also the son of the now deceased priest depicted in the video) to disable comments. The criticism was exacerbated by the fact that, in addition to serving, the lady in question is also vested as a subdeacon.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
Your eyes do not deceive you, and it is precisely discussion of that very observation that led the poster of the video (who is also the son of the now deceased priest depicted in the video) to disable comments. The criticism was exacerbated by the fact that, in addition to serving, the lady in question is also vested as a subdeacon.
A rare glimpse of the ever-secretive Das Lutheran Plot at work...
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The Scrumpmeister
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The Episcopal Divine Liturgy, coming soon to a church near you.
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
The Episcopal Divine Liturgy, coming soon to a church near you.
All that's missing is the Hollywood style gravelly-voice-over!
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FCB
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
The Episcopal Divine Liturgy, coming soon to a church near you.
OK, I think that is pretty cool. Is it an ad and, if so, what exactly is it for?
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
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Originally posted by FCB:
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Originally posted by Guardog:
One of the most beautiful liturgies I've seen. I've always had a great love for eastern Christianity.
Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a female server to whom the celebrant hands the thurible at !:07? I know these are Greek Catholics and not Orthodox, but I thought women within the iconostasis were verbotten. But maybe I just made that up.
Your eyes do not deceive you, and it is precisely discussion of that very observation that led the poster of the video (who is also the son of the now deceased priest depicted in the video) to disable comments. The criticism was exacerbated by the fact that, in addition to serving, the lady in question is also vested as a subdeacon.
I thought the Byzantine Rite doesn't have subdeacons. Is the Ukrainian Catholic Church different in that respect?
I have a UC friend who will be spitting nails when I send him a link to this liturgy. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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This conversation about the young lady -- who may or may not be a Subdeacon -- being handed the thurible makes me wonder about the availability of Divine Liturgy on the web.
For example, in the Episcopal Church we have St. Clem's and St. Tom's (Fifth Avenue) who broadcast their venerable Masses and Evensongs on a regular basis. There are several other Churches that do this.
Are there any Orthodox Churches who do something similar? I'm not talking clips with possibly-spurious Subdeacons, but full-length services archived for your spiritual edification.
Anyone know of any?
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by FCB:
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
The Episcopal Divine Liturgy, coming soon to a church near you.
OK, I think that is pretty cool. Is it an ad and, if so, what exactly is it for?
My friend who is a reader in America but is of Russian descent and speaks Russian tells me that it is simply to encourage people to attend the next episcopal Liturgy they can.
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I thought the Byzantine Rite doesn't have subdeacons. Is the Ukrainian Catholic Church different in that respect?
No. It is the Roman Rite of the Catholic church where the subdiaconate was suppressed. The Byzantine Rite was unaffected by this and retains the subdiaconate, equivalent to the Orthodox Church, in which subdeacons are still frequently ordained and serve as such. Indeed, I was ordained to the subdiaconate in the Byzantine Rite just over a year ago.
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For example, in the Episcopal Church we have St. Clem's and St. Tom's (Fifth Avenue) who broadcast their venerable Masses and Evensongs on a regular basis. There are several other Churches that do this.
Are there any Orthodox Churches who do something similar? I'm not talking clips with possibly-spurious Subdeacons, but full-length services archived for your spiritual edification.
Anyone know of any?
Yes. The ROCOR cathedral in Mayfield broadcasts its services live. There's also this, which I find more of a distraction and cause of frustration than anything else. Still, it satisfies the description of what was asked for. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Thanks for clarifying about the Byzantine Rite. For some reason I though that the subdiaconate was never a part of the Byzantine Rite in the first place, but I was clearly wrong.
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
Yes. The ROCOR cathedral in Mayfield broadcasts its services live. There's also this, which I find more of a distraction and cause of frustration than anything else. Still, it satisfies the description of what was asked for.
I would also recommend the live-only webcast from Saint Mark Coptic Orthodox Church in my neck of the woods. Bring a pillow for your posterior; you'll be sitting for quite a while.
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Thank you both for your recommendations, Michael and Martin.
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And Michael Astley spake unto them, saying:
Yes. The ROCOR cathedral in Mayfield broadcasts its services live. There's also this, which I find more of a distraction and cause of frustration than anything else. Still, it satisfies the description of what was asked for.
Pray tell, why do you find it a distraction or frustration?
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by aredstatemystic:
Thank you both for your recommendations, Michael and Martin.
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And Michael Astley spake unto them, saying:
Yes. The ROCOR cathedral in Mayfield broadcasts its services live. There's also this, which I find more of a distraction and cause of frustration than anything else. Still, it satisfies the description of what was asked for.
Pray tell, why do you find it a distraction or frustration?
It's various things for me, aredstatemystic. As somebody whose ordained role is liturgical service, I pray through the actions and details of the Liturgy: I suppose I have to otherwise I would never pray at services. Some people find the little details to be stumbling-blocks but they are my stepping-stones, and actually, the most complex service can still be a means of prayer for me, provided it is done as it ought to be and there are no idiosyncrasies to trip me up. The services in those recordings are riddled with temptations for me.
Various people do things that properly belong to others of higher orders, such as a lay server placing things on the Holy Table, a subdeacon giving a litany, and a deacon praying much of the priest's part of the anaphora; in one broadcast, the priest simply took the Body of the Saviour in his hands and carelessly ripped it to pieces, rather than carefully cutting it with the spear as is usual; and I seem to recall a recording in which the clergy knelt for part of the anaphora, which I suppose would otherwise be fine if that were the custom of the jurisdiction, but it was a Sunday. Apart from anything else, the services are heavily abbreviated, with some elements only partially included and large chunks omitted altogether. In one recording I endured, the first two antiphons were reduced to nothing more than two refrains each with a "Glory... Both now...", while the third antiphon and the "Come, let us worship" were not in evidence at all, all of the litanies between the Gospel and the Great Entrance were just left out, as well as the Litany before the Lord's Prayer. I get mildly upset by the handful of the widespread abbreviations that my parish adopts, such as the omission of the troparia on the Beatitudes and Psalm 33 after Communion, but seeing these videos actually makes me grateful for what I have. Perhaps that is why I was meant to stumble across them and that is their purpose for me.
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In my community, as soon as Easter's done, we talk a day to catch our breaths (MP in private this morning = lie in) and then shift our attention to priestly ordinations. Our vocations blog will have a post a day dedicated to various aspects of our ordinations over the next week or so. Video of the ordination itself will go up at some point. I don't think it will be streamed live.
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I looked at a couple of the services on St. Clement's website, it appears they are of sung, as opposed to solemn masses, i.e., just the celebrant, is that the case on "regular" Sundays? Most of the other shrines field solemn masses every week, or is St. Clem's video not of the "main" service?
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Originally posted by Ascension-ite:
I looked at a couple of the services on St. Clement's website, it appears they are of sung, as opposed to solemn masses, i.e., just the celebrant, is that the case on "regular" Sundays? Most of the other shrines field solemn masses every week, or is St. Clem's video not of the "main" service?
Probably a staffing issue more than anything.
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I just looked at St Clement's 'Clergy & Staff' page, and the only listing is the Rector. One of the honorary assistants recently died and the parish has been conducting a curate search for some time. At least one of the videos indicated a Missa Cantata, but didn't indicate what service it might be. It could be they don't have the personnel to celebrate a solemn liturgy at this time.
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We imported extra clergy from Norwich Cathedral to deal with the demands of the Holy Week and Easter liturgies at Saint Clement's, so yes, the liturgies were indeed solemn.
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I rather suspected that the Missa Cantata was due to clergy shortage, although I'm surprised, as most of the shrines seem to have honorary assistants to spare. I wish you all luck in your curate search, may you find someone soon.
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This video of the paschal troparion is doing the rounds on the Orthodox circuit at the moment.
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Well that's different.
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The Scrumpmeister
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Well that's different.
Indeed!
I can honestly say that I had never before heard Russian chant accompanied by drums, tambourines, and dancing.
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Photos of my community's ordinations last month. There is meant to be video up there at some point, so think of this as a "coming soon to a screen near you" kind of thing.
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Photos of my community's ordinations last month. There is meant to be video up there at some point, so think of this as a "coming soon to a screen near you" kind of thing.
Those are gorgeous, Hart! The first photo is wonderful - it's got a really lovely "windswept" feel, and all that white and gold! And the church is lovely also.
Very pretty - thanks for posting them....
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Here's a video I just discovered of the retiring procession from a Pontifical Solemn High Mass last July at Ascension, Chicago. The occasion was the centenary of the founding of the Order of St Anne; their Chicago convent is on the parish premises and currently houses their Reverend Mother and two other nuns. The celebrant was the Most Rev. James Winchester Montgomery, former Bishop of Chicago.
Note especially the selection of hymn, a standard at any OSA-related special occasion.
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8:00am Easter Sunday High Mass at St. Thomas the Apostle, Hollywood
Facebook videos also available of Vigil Mass in Latin.
Huh? The opening hymn on Easter Sunday was "Jerusalem the Golden?" That seems odd.
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Huh? The opening hymn on Easter Sunday was "Jerusalem the Golden?" That seems odd.
I wondered about that, too, and about the quiet entrance before the solemn procession. These are just differences with how things are done in our shack, so not wrong; just made me wonder.
The quiet entrance makes it more like preparation for the Mass, which isn't inappropriate: the Mass proper starts with the Introit, so the entrance and making incense are just to prepare for the solemn procession that happens before Mass really starts. Makes sense, but I'm just used to a sparkly organ improvisation as the ministers enter, especially on Easter Day. Enjoyed the video!
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Huh? The opening hymn on Easter Sunday was "Jerusalem the Golden?" That seems odd.
It has a reference to 'milk and honey' - these were given as part of first communion to the newly baptised at the Easter Vigil in times past.
Wow, that still seems mighty obtuse to me, although I'm sure it works in context for those who attend. I'm just used to Easter Day bursting out with music and with texts that are a variety of ways to say, "Christ is risen."
And I realize I'm working from a few minutes of a fine YouTube video rather than experience of a whole service.
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May it's not Easter Sunday but a Sunday in Easter?
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