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Gamaliel
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To be fair, I was always more eirenic than that and grew out of it - these things can be phases we pass through.
In fairness too, some of my fellow-travellers and the church I was involved with grew out of this tendency too - although they are a shadow of their former selves. Only about 40 people or so left - when there were around 300-400 at its height in the mid-1980s.
Mind you, some of those I knocked about with in those days have gone into even worse things ... extreme forms of health/wealth and prosperity gospel teaching ... or small groups of friends meeting in one another's homes and blarting on and on about how it all went wrong ...
Sad.
In fairness, others have ended up in better places.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Yes, I had some friends back in the 80s who were part of an all-dancing (well, lightly hopping) charismatic fellowship and were very dismissive of their "dead" Parish Church.
Guess who've now been Church Wardens for years?
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Gamaliel
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Ha ha ...
Yes, would that this were more common.
Looking back, a good number did move on to what we might consider broader or more mainstream forms of church - whether non-conformist or Anglican. The Baptists tended to be the main 're-entry point' if I can put it that way, as they offer much that is familiar but without the somewhat authoritarian approach to leadership.
I've found that fewer have gone into Anglicanism - although a number have - including some former leaders or budding leaders.
I know of one or two who have gone further, if you like, into Orthodoxy or over to Rome - but these are fewer and further between. An Orthodox convert I know from a 'restorationist' background once told me - some years ago now - that he could only think of around 5 people in the whole of the UK from 'new church' or Pentecostal backgrounds who had ended up in Orthodoxy. I get the impression that this has been more common in the USA.
Anyhow, this is a tangent - although there is the issue, of course, of how more traditional forms of worship can appeal to those who have - for whatever reason - become sated with what's on offer across the 'newer' outfits.
In some ways, though, some of the newer groups have indeed been drawing from older models - experimenting with liturgy or contemplative prayers and so on. I don't knock this tendency - although I know some who do, regarding it as rather too 'pick-and-mix' or decontextualised. I can appreciate why they might consider it that way, but on balance, I'm always happy when I see people adopting daily offices, say, such as members of the Northumbria Community or using some 'ready-made' liturgy.
When I was in a Baptist church we often used to 'nick' chunks out of the Anglican prayer book for communion services - and once I was even given a section to read from the Roman missal (by an ex-Catholic). Nobody noticed and the sky didn't fall in.
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Jengie jon
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Using liturgical texts out of context, so old that they have been doing it since Biblical times.
Jengie
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Stephen
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....and indeed quite possibly before.....
however imitation is the sincerest form of flattery or so we are told and I don't see any reason why different churches can't use materials from elsewhere
And yes, I have been in a Methodist church where they once used not Evensong itself but an adaptation of it, but it was a long time ago....just after I'd finished college.
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ExclamationMark
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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I would also suggest that many so-called non-denominational churches are also far more denominational than the denominations.
Especially those who proudly say that they abhor denominations, and then mix only with those who share their precise form of antidenominational denominationalism.
If you see what I mean (and, yes, I've met them). ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Brethren and Quakers. The latter being denominational in their rejection of creeds and belief statements.
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