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Ecclesiastical Flip-flop
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Originally posted by Forthview:
Introit/Entrance Hymn.
Even when a bishop is present he would normally enter to the Entrance Hymn.I haven't heard the Ecce Sacerdos Magnus for over 50 years,though one still hears 'Tu es Petrus' as an entrance chant for the Bishop of Rome.
Where have you been these past 50 years, Forthview!?
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Forthview
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Continuing to wonder I realise that I have had a 'senior moment'. I heard 'Ecce Sacerdos Magnus'
within the last year at the entry of the (relatively) new Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh into a small parish church in a (select,of course) suburb of Edinburgh.
Mind you the organist and choirmaster was a Senior Scottish Law Lord and another High court Judge is a member of the choir.
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leo
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
—the relationship between the modern entrance hymn and the introit—but that would go even further off-topic than has already gone.
The entrance hymn is the introit.
Not always! In term time, when we have the choir, they sing an 'introit' at the back of church then process up the centre aisle to a hy,mn.
Duplication? Yes. But they worship the music here!
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venbede
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Originally posted by Lothlorien:
Perhaps not quite what most had in mind?
That's a St Lucia outfit which is very big in Sweden. Like the Advent wreath it is a Northern European Advent custom celebrating light in those dark Northern European nights, although it is a different tradition.
The candles on the crown are of course all lit at the same time.
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Enoch
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One of the great things about this (fourth candle) Sunday is that its an opportunity/obligation for all preachers to speak about Mary. Perhaps this hasn't been your experience but for a lot of reasons, present and historical, she is someone us Prods admire but regard as too sensitive to talk about.
Over the years, I have heard some very thoughtful sermons on this Sunday, sometimes from some quite surprising people. What did other Shipmates hear or do today?
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venbede
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Mary is the God bearer and that is what we should be as well. (Mind you, this in a church that finished with Alma Redemptoris Mater and the Angelus.)
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Arethosemyfeet
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Originally posted by Enoch:
One of the great things about this (fourth candle) Sunday is that its an opportunity/obligation for all preachers to speak about Mary. Perhaps this hasn't been your experience but for a lot of reasons, present and historical, she is someone us Prods admire but regard as too sensitive to talk about.
Over the years, I have heard some very thoughtful sermons on this Sunday, sometimes from some quite surprising people. What did other Shipmates hear or do today?
Talked about how we should all be willing to join all generations in calling Mary "blessed" in accordance with the words of the Magnificat, alongside pointing out that the reformers, for all their iconoclasm, had a lot of respect for Mary. It was a little too much for one or two people, I think, but others appreciated it.
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Cranmer's baggage*
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Originally posted by Enoch:
One of the great things about this (fourth candle) Sunday is that its an opportunity/obligation for all preachers to speak about Mary. Perhaps this hasn't been your experience but for a lot of reasons, present and historical, she is someone us Prods admire but regard as too sensitive to talk about.
Over the years, I have heard some very thoughtful sermons on this Sunday, sometimes from some quite surprising people. What did other Shipmates hear or do today?
My (young, male, evangelical) theological student delighted me on this, his final Sunday with us before proceeding to ordination, with a very thoughtful reflection on both Mary and Elizabeth. He spoke of the importance of obedience to God's call (Mary) and the importance of those who support and encourage (Elizabeth).
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Albertus
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No sermon on Mary- the Bishop's Advent letter was read, a week late- but an extremely enjoyable singing, with much gusto, of VSS Coles's 'Ye who own the faith of Jesus' as the last hymn- all 7 verses, with the Hail Marys being positively bellowed out if you can do that with a congregation of 25.
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Nick Tamen
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Sermon on Gabriel's "not impossible with God is everything" and Mary's willing acceptance of that, with the ensuing (some verses later) song of praise.
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by venbede:
I used to go to a church where the priest processed in with a hymn book joining in singing the entrance hymn. I thought he was muscling in on our part of the liturgy.
venbede and Forthview, I apologize for being slow to say thanks for your responses to my questions. They were very helpful, especially the bit quoted above. In think I get it now.
And thanks for confirming what I thought, but was second-guessing, about the entrance hymn and introit.
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venbede
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That's kind of you, Nick. A very happy Christmas.
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