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Callan
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
One other less serious argument against cremation that I heard is that on the rare chance that your relative is officially canonized as a saint by Rome, cremation means denying the faithful opportunity for venerating their relics.
Has there been a saint canonized by Rome who was cremated?
Joan of Arc.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Not necessary, according to this thread. Just scatter it somewhere it won't cause ecological damage. New Jersey, say.
I could have sworn I read "theological damage."
Oh that's different. New Jersey, then.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Callan:
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
One other less serious argument against cremation that I heard is that on the rare chance that your relative is officially canonized as a saint by Rome, cremation means denying the faithful opportunity for venerating their relics.
Has there been a saint canonized by Rome who was cremated?
Joan of Arc.
I had her in mind when I mentioned those burned at the stake, but there have been others as well.
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Bishops Finger
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Presumably those burned at the stake would not have been reduced completely to ashes - IOW, there would be bones, at least, requiring burial, from which suitable relics could be selected.
This, I guess, applies only to Carflick martyrs!
IJ
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Presumably those burned at the stake would not have been reduced completely to ashes - IOW, there would be bones, at least, requiring burial, from which suitable relics could be selected.
Actually, according to the Wiki article on Joan of Arc:
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Eyewitnesses described the scene of the execution by burning on 30 May 1431. Tied to a tall pillar at the Vieux-Marché in Rouen, she asked two of the clergy, Fr Martin Ladvenu and Fr Isambart de la Pierre, to hold a crucifix before her. An English soldier also constructed a small cross that she put in the front of her dress. After she died, the English raked back the coals to expose her charred body so that no one could claim she had escaped alive. They then burned the body twice more, to reduce it to ashes and prevent any collection of relics, and cast her remains into the Seine River. The executioner, Geoffroy Thérage, later stated that he "greatly feared to be damned."
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Baptist Trainfan
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However, according to "Foxe's Book of Martyrs":
"John Noyes, a shoemaker, of Laxfield, Suffolk, was taken to Eye and at midnight, Sept. 21, 1557, he was brought from Eye to Laxfield to be burned. On the following morning he was led to the stake, prepared for the horrid sacrifice. Mr. Noyes, on coming to the fatal spot, knelt down, prayed, and rehearsed the 50th psalm. When the chain enveloped him, he said, "Fear not them that kill the body, but fear him that can kill both body and soul, and cast it into everlasting fire!"
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"The ashes of the body were buried in a pit, and with them one of his feet, whole to the ankle, with the stocking on".
Delightful (not).
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Bishops Finger
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From the date of his death, I take it that the unfortunate Mr. Noyes was a Protestant martyr. It's ironic, given his trade, that one of his feet was spared the burning, complete with stocking (but what happened to his shoe?).
I stand corrected re Joan of Arc. A proper job, indeed.
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
From the date of his death, I take it that the unfortunate Mr. Noyes was a Protestant martyr.
If he wasn't, he wouldn't have been in Foxe's book.
A work much beloved of the peculiar kind of anti-hagiography enthusiast that a takes special delight in their own particular style of hagiography.
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Bishops Finger
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Once again, I've failed to pick up the salient point - thanks, Eutychus! I blame my medication.
I'd still like to know what happened to his shoe .....
IJ
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Callan
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Originally posted by Crotalus:
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
Has there been a saint canonized by Rome who was cremated?
St Maximilian Kolbe.
St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross.
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Penny S
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My mother's ashes, in a wood she loved, seemed to have been much appreciated by stinging nettles when we revisited, so presumably provided some nutrition. I don't know about Dad's. I'll have to check sometime.
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Bishops Finger
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slight tangent alert/
Intriguingly, there are relics of St. Maximilian Kolbe in existence (according to Wikipedia) in the form of hairs from his head, saved - perhaps with almost miraculous foresight - by his barbers, some years before the War.
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