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Pearl B4 Swine
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Reporting from South Central Pennsylvania, where we're having the Much-Touted Blizzard. Hard to tell whether the snow in the air is new-fall or blown in on the wind. Also hard to tell the depth of snow we officially have; everything is heaped up in drifts, or blown low in between.

It looks like someone has driven up the road, but I doubt this 'back road' has seen a plow yet.

All is well; well, well enough except with my little Jack Russell terrier to whom I am Permanent Adoptive Mother. For him the snow is nasty, and I am wicked for trying to force him out into it. Hey, life is hard sometimes.

Any blizzard stories out there?

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Nicolemr
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My employers have closed for the day, which is a small miracle. Enjoying the snow day. Sadly, I do have to go out in it at some point to try and get some supplies. Fortunately I'm walking, not driving.

The buses are shut down, subways are running but with delays.

They are talking of possibly up to 30 inches.

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30 inches??? [Eek!]

[Votive] that you all stay safe, and when you're finished with it, don't send it to us! [Two face]

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Kelly Alves

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Meanwhile on the West Coast...

I used to live right across the street from that bluff.

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Pigwidgeon

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I know we haven't heard from Comet in quite a while -- just wondering if anyone other Shipmates are affected by the earthquake in Alaska.
Luckily no major damage or injury has been reported, but they're having aftershocks. [Votive]

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RuthW

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Meanwhile on the West Coast...

I used to live right across the street from that bluff.

In a place that will soon have a nice view. [Big Grin]
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Kelly Alves

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Yeah,but only for about ten years or so...

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Piglet
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I've heard from Comet via Facebook that she's OK; she's far enough away from things to be safe, but has been watching it with, um ... interest.

[Votive] for those who are closer to it.

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Pigwidgeon

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quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
I've heard from Comet via Facebook that she's OK; she's far enough away from things to be safe, but has been watching it with, um ... interest.

[Votive] for those who are closer to it.

Thanks for letting us know.

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jedijudy

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Meanwhile on the West Coast...

I used to live right across the street from that bluff.

[Eek!] There were people standing and sightseeing in what was left of the building! What were they thinking???

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basso

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
[Eek!] There were people standing and sightseeing in what was left of the building! What were they thinking???

Probably about the youtube videos they were busy recording.
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Pigwidgeon

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I'm also amazed that the article says that "Some homeowners have evacuated their homes as a precaution."

Some?!?
[Eek!]

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Kelly Alves

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It's a two block or so stretch of homes-- some are out of the slippage zone, but are still close enough for people to nope out of there.

The buildings themselves, the apartments right along that specific section of the cliff, have been vacant for at least a year. More, I think.Those people you see are either workers trying to assess the damage, or local lookie-loos. (To give you an idea how clueless this faction has been during these last few weeks, the first report of the unusually high tides saw a concurrent rise in people practicing for Maverick's (the big NoCal surf competition in spring. One poor fool got swept into the surf last week.)

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Kelly Alves

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By the way, that row of pebbles you see along the bottom of the cliff is the city's idea of a "sea wall." It was put up after the last El Nino, when the same cliff lost several feet. Just to give you an idea what the housing situation is like around here, the "remodeled" apartments in the reddish, southernmost building you see in the video were offered at about $1200/ mo for a one bedroom.

(In writing this, it occurs to me maybe some people were desperate enough to squat in those buildings. [Frown] )

[ 26. January 2016, 03:42: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Meanwhile on the West Coast...

I used to live right across the street from that bluff.

[Eek!] There were people standing and sightseeing in what was left of the building! What were they thinking???
Candidates for a Darwin award?

I was glad to hear from my middle brother in New York city. He and his partner are OK, but their cats are Not Amused.

Huia

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jedijudy

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We are supposed to get one to three inches of rain tomorrow. Already, this month is the wettest January ever! My place has had over eight and a half inches so far. This is supposed to be the dry season!

Mind you, I'm not complaining. If the wildfires are prevented, I'll be a happy camper! My folks live in an outlying area with lots of trees. It's beautiful, but could be dangerous as you all understand.

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Sioni Sais
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It won't be any consolation but December 2015 was the wettest on record in the UK too. It was also the warmest, which gives a clue about what global warming will mean in the short-medium term.

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Kelly Alves

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Yeah, people have been wondering if the big ass waves are the harbingers of the New Global Warming Coastline.

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Piglet
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That is one v. scary video.

It makes me wonder though - how close to the cliff-edge were the houses when they were built?

You'd have thought that the planners/architects/whatever might have realised that there was a chance of them being swept away.

Wouldn't you?

[ 27. January 2016, 14:28: Message edited by: Piglet ]

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jedijudy

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Today, the Ibis Bug Exterminators are eliminating pests in my yard! The birds are just beautiful, and are fun to watch. They vacuum the back, then they go to the front to do their work, and off to the back again. I counted 23 of them. Right now they are between me and the western neighbor, wading in the water standing in the swale (the weatherman was right), and browsing for bugs there.

A couple of years ago, D-U had a flock of ibis in her yard as she was getting ready to leave for work. She tried to get into her car, and they started following her and tried to get into the car with her! Her neighbors stood outside and laughed.

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Lothlorien
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Perhaps it is a pond difference, Judy, but down here the ibis are pests. Enormous, dirty grey or brown pests which sit on the edge of bins in parks to fish out rubbish. They have a raucous call and spend time here fighting the sea gulls for scrap. Disgusting birds.

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Houses built on the shore are inherently risky. There are houses built on Fire Island, a barrier island near New York City. The row of beachfront houses used to be 3 rows back, but the front two rows have been devoured by the ocean.

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basso

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These homes aren't just on the shore - they're at the top of a cliff.

The apartments were built in 1961. Chronicle story.

I just dug up the abstract of an American Society of Civil Engineers report here: http: //ascelibrary.org/doi/abs/10.1061/40512(289)22 (Can't link it because of the parens, but you'll know what to do.) The report says that the cliff has been retreating 1.5 - 2 feet per year for 146 years. It's crazy to build things there, but of course that never stopped humans before.

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Kelly Alves

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Can't find nicer folk than the people who live there, though, despite the stupidity of their city planners. If it does not pain you , spare them a prayer.

Judy, I think ibisis- ibisi-- ibisisisis are pretty, too.

[ 28. January 2016, 04:28: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Kelly Alves

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Just to move this along to broader aspects of Americana-- I just got done watching Woodstock for the umpteenth time. I never took the time to appreciate the Port-o-San worker they interviewed doing his daily rounds. Just think about that for a minute. A Port-o-San worker. At Woodstock. Mad respect.

Don't take the brown acid, and you're welcome for the ear worm.

[ 28. January 2016, 07:58: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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jedijudy

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quote:
Originally posted by Lothlorien:
Perhaps it is a pond difference, Judy, but down here the ibis are pests. Enormous, dirty grey or brown pests which sit on the edge of bins in parks to fish out rubbish. They have a raucous call and spend time here fighting the sea gulls for scrap. Disgusting birds.

Kelly and I might have different versions of ibis from you, Lothlorien! My (I guess they belong to me!) adults are white, and the juveniles are brown and white. They eat pests! Our sea gulls can be big pains in the tushie. They will even steal a sandwich right out of your mouth if you don't watch out!

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Kelly Alves

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I'm gonna admit the ones I see are at the zoo. They are about two feet tall and are bright pink, due to being fed only shrimp.

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Lamb Chopped
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We have seen American white ibis in the park in St. Louis.

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jedijudy

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Ibis crew.
Adults and juveniles doing their thing!

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Welease Woderwick

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We have Black-Headed Ibis here, beautiful birds!

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Huia
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quote:
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I'm gonna admit the ones I see are at the zoo. They are about two feet tall and are bright pink, due to being fed only shrimp.

Is that like flamingos needing to be fed something (?shrimps?) to retain their pink colour?

Huia

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No ibises (ibes?) in Brazil. Many great egrets though.

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jedijudy

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Speaking of flamingos...

That's a big pink bird! I think it proves God has a sense of humor! Maybe I'll take a little ride and see if he's there later today.

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Welease Woderwick

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I was once surrounded by flamingos at Martin Mere just north of Liverpool - they stood about as tall as me and were a bit intimidating - feed them and they're happy.

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What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
No ibises (ibes?) in Brazil. Many great egrets though.

Egrets... I've had a few...

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Groan!

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Had a very funny experience today. I went to a gathering in which I was a new member. Looked at one lady and thought my she looks old. She soon said, "Well I guess I am still the oldest member here unless maybe Graven Image who has just joined us might be older. [Eek!] Here am I thinking I am not so old and that no way do I appear to be my age then come to find out we are just a year apart. The more I thought about it the funner it became. First me thinking I don't look old, second the other women drawing attention to my age and requesting I state it to all, ( what in the world made her do that?) and third the funniest of all was me being happy to be a year younger then her. Oh vanity how sharp thy sting. Graven Image leaves to apply extra layer of night cream.
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jedijudy

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Quotes file, Kelly! [Big Grin]

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Kelly Alves

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Graven Image, for you:

(Scene: Kelly at a previous job at an after school care. She is looking over Pokemon cards with a kid who looks like a ten year old version of Chris Rock. He is the last one left.)

Kid: How old are you?
Kel: 33 [at the time]
( enter kid's mom, juggling purse, coat and carkeys. She sets these down and opens her mouth to greet the teachers.)
Kid: (grinning ear to ear) 33? You look like you're NINETY YEARS OLLLDDD.
(Mom gasps in the background. Kelly moves in quickly)

Kelly: THAT'S. 'CAUSE I WORK. WITH YOU.

The mom was apologizing all over herself, but I assured her the insult was worth the opportunity to return that line. [Big Grin]

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Well done Kelly. [Overused]

Anyone in authority (parent, teacher, whatever) is always old to a primary-school age child. After I left school, I went into my old primary school to do "observation" before going to college to do a teaching course. On the last day of term I was with a Primary 7 class (12-year-olds) and we were having one of those end-of-term general discussion sort of things. One bright wee spark said "Miss Piglet, how old are you?", and I asked them how old they thought I was (I was 18).

They started at 40 and worked their way down. [Eek!]

Maybe it's just as well I didn't finish the course ...

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My very intelligent eldest son was about fifteen when Halleys Comet made its appearance after however many years. My mother was most offended when he asked her if it was better this time around than the one before. [Hot and Hormonal]

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Oh, man. [Killing me]

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Great come back Kelly. I remember when my mother had her 40th birthday and I was 10 I could not understand how I could have a mother that old. I was worried she might not live long enough to finish raising me. She lived to 93 by the way.
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basso

Ship’s Crypt Keeper
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The LA Times -- doing a better job than the local papers (no surprise there!) -- has an article on the Pacifica cliffs. Some good photos and a bit of history.
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Lamb Chopped
Ship's kebab
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Oh dear. At the end of a very frazzled day I was stumbling off to bed when my dear, dear son said something snarky. I misheard him, thought he was saying a blessing, and thanked him warmly.

Now feeling guilty, he tried to bless me for real--using the end-of-worship one, "The Lord bless and keep you". And did pretty well until he got to "The Lord lift up his
continence upon you"...

When I burst out laughing, he tried again. This time we got "competence." After we hit "constipation," we gave it up as a bad job.

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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

Dressed for Church
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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
The Lord bless and keep you . . . The Lord lift up his continence upon you.

Definitely one for the SOF Quotes File. I should frame it and post it in the dining room at my father's nursing home.

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Piglet
Islander
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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
... I should frame it and post it in the dining room at my father's nursing home.

[Killing me] [Overused] [Killing me]

eta: I've put the whole thing, with Amanda B's response, in the Quotes File - it definitely merits preservation! [Smile]

[ 10. February 2016, 00:54: Message edited by: Piglet ]

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alto n a soprano who can read music

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jedijudy

Organist of the Jedi Temple
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On the "I Remember" thread in Heaven, Chamois wrote about the dawn chorus. Before asthma was such a nuisance in my life, I could hear that chorus through the open windows. Unfortunately in order to keep pollen and various other things out of the house, the windows are almost always closed and I miss hearing the birds and honey bees and such things.

This morning, when I took the recycling out to the street, the sun was shining, and the birds were singing. I just stood and basked in the sound of cardinals, robins, boat-tailed grackles, blue-gray gnatcatchers, woodpeckers, bluejays and the occasional squirrel fussing at a neighborhood cat. The gnatcatchers were flitting around my head in the elm tree, and ibises were flying overhead.

A perfect few minutes!

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Jasmine, little cat with a big heart.

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Lamb Chopped
Ship's kebab
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It's lovely to hear the spring and summer birds when it's still winter. Just one or two, not a whole chorus, but still [Yipee] [Yipee] [Yipee] .

Had an embarrassing moment last night at Ash Wednesday service. We had the general confession, and then everyone was supposed to come up for individual absolution and ashes. I wound up kneeling right in the middle of the communion rail lineup, with the two host congregation pastors ashing people to the left and the right. As each came to me, they apparently decided that I was in the other one's territory, so left off ashing and went back to to start their own area all over again!

Once I'd been passed over four times, I gave up and walked down.

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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!

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Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
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Nice job, guys. [Roll Eyes]

At what point is a Lutheran allowed to go "AHEM!"

[ 11. February 2016, 18:03: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.

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