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Uncle Pete

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Only part of an island, surely? An insignificant part. Not even original colonisers. The Irish and Scots here will band to keep them out.

[Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.

I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.

Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.

I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.

Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...

Political asylum in the newly independent Scotland is the alternative.

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Also: needing little excuse to fire up the bagpipes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Mail deliverers may be locked out by Management at Midnight on July 2d. 72 hours notice must be given. Statutory Holidays not counted. Of course, the big mailers were warned some days ago, .....

I guess I'm a really big mailer cause I first heard about this possibility back in early March.

Shame cause UPS and the other companies have all gone to a 1 try to a residence and then they have to hoof it to a depot thing, with most of their depots being way out on the outskirts of town, if not in another county. This is really bad in Montreal where so many people live in Apartments and the item can't be left while the depot's are all out near the airport.

Canada Post, although I have issues with its bureaucracy, at least has a local option - if ur not at home, go down to the local Shopper's Drug Mart and get your package. That and their business customer service is actually available on weekends, answers promptly and is diligent. After years of being told Canada Post's customer service is poor, I have been shocked to experience quite the opposite.

If I had a choice as to which of our courier companies I would not want to go on strike, it would be Canada Post.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.

Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...

That might make our applications for Canadian citizenship go a bit more smoothly ... [Big Grin]

Thanks for the heads-up regarding the postmen's strike, folks - we've got Permanent Residence renewal forms to send off.

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Welease Woderwick

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One of the many advantages of being pretty ancient is that when I was granted permanent residence over here I was told that it never has to be renewed; I've got it until I shuffle off my mortal coil...

...and I am still nowhere near as old as Pete!

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.

I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.

Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...

The easiest thing would be to join Scotland on to our newest province, with a few tweakings of the Constitution Act, and rename it Newfoundland and Labrador and Scotland. Or we could just name it Vetera Scotia.

I have to get my last items in the mail tomorrow for a possible Thursday delivery (feasible within Ottawa) as Friday is Dominion Day. The overseas material can be mailed on Wednesday to make it out of the country. If it goes on for a while, I will be deprived of my TLS...

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Surely Nova Scotia would object on principle.

The problem is that Scotland has a different legal system that's actually a better fit for Quebec. The Scots criminal law system would have to go, though.

But I come back to annexation to Nova Scotia, surely Cape Breton would be beside itself, in more ways than one.

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quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
... Or we could just name it Vetera Scotia ...

Scotia Occidentis? [Big Grin]

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Trouble is, is it the Scots who want to stay in Europe who'll be leaving the UK in disgust, or the ones who'll want to leave an independent Scotland because it's staying in. Can't see that Canada would help either lot, myself.

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Especially after President Trump abrogates NAFTA.
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Uncle Pete

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Happy Dominion Day tomorrow!

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The Anglican Dioceses of Ottawa and Montreal are going to move ahead with same-sex marriages.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/anglican-diocese-ottawa-same-sex-marriage-1.3673521

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John Holding

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Caissa --

As a host in Dead Horses, I would welcome seeing this link where it belongs.

As I'm not a host here is All Saints, I can merely point out that discussion of Dead Horse topics belongs...in Dead Horses!

John

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I've taken the liberty of copying Caissa's post as the start of a new thread in Dead Horses; there are other threads dealing with SSM in other branches of the church, so I've started a new one for the Anglican Church of Canada.

Piglet, AS host

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Is it a Dead Horse topic to talk about it now that the whole issue has been reversed and allowed based on the Anglican version of a hanging chad?

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Probably. [Smile]

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Caissa
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Can I get an explanation as to the limitation of Canadian topics to be discussed in this thread? I had no intent to cross some line.
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It wasn't so much a limitation on "Canadian topics" as the topic of same-sex marriage (wherever it happens) being very specifically a Dead Horses topic.

As I said above, because there are threads in DH dealing with the subject in other parts of the Church (specifically the US and Scottish Episcopal churches), it seemed appropriate that any discussion of the topic as it applies in Canada would get a thread there as well.

I hope this answers your question.

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Caissa
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Thanks, Piglet. It answers my question.
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This makes me wonder:


What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?

What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?

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Uncle Pete

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quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
This makes me wonder:


What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?

What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?

The weather and hockey. Hot day, eh?

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quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
This makes me wonder:


What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?

What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?

"Why isn't Quebec ever satisfied?"

"Canadians really love their Tim Hortons."

[^ As distinct from talking about how much you, yourself, actually love Tim Hortons, which strangely enough doesn't get nearly as much chin time.]

"Lemme tell ya, we'd be a bloody military superpower by now if that miserable SOB hadn't scrapped the Greatest Plane Ever Developed."

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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
This makes me wonder:


What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?

What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?

The weather and hockey. Hot day, eh?
Good point, Pete. [Big Grin]

We're heading off tomorrow for our move to Fredericton (D. starts his new job on Sunday) and, like a good would-be Canadian, I checked the Environment Canada weather web-site for the next few days there ...

29° but feeling like 35 with the Humidex.

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

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The Toronto Maple Leafs are a dead horse in several omnipresent funereal ways.
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As a CFA, I couldn't possibly comment. [Big Grin]

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Caissa
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Good luck in Fredericton, Piglet. Remember I am only 100 kms down the road.
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Thanks, Caissa - hope to catch up sometime, and if you're in Fredericton of a Sunday, do pop in to the Cathedral and say hello. [Smile]

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All the best with the move, Piglet! Herringchokers are generally a friendly bunch - I'm sure they will be welcoming.

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On Sundays we are usually worshipping in the Parish of Portland in Saint John. We do sometimes come up to Freddy Beach on a Saturday to go to the market. When I was a student in F'ton, I worshipped at Christ Church Parish Church.
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On the weekend at our cabin, we had pillow clouds like these, followed by torrential rain of about 2" in 45 minutes and hail about the size of cherries. South and west of us, Yorkton, Saskatchewan got tennis ball sized hail and 2 tornados: Link. Rain again today, and report of additional tornados, though we are back from the area.

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We had some pretty good thunder and lightning this afternoon, along with a spot of fairly heavy rain, which felt as if it had cleared the air a bit, but they're still forecasting for it to go up to 30°C with a Humidex of 37 tomorrow.

[Frown]

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Join in singing Happy Birthday to Pete on the birthday thread!

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Absolutely. [Smile]

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Half way through August?!?!

Where'd it go?

But, as I say at work, I'm still wondering where the 90's went. [Biased]

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I know what you mean, Og - D's niece is getting married next weekend - how on earth did she get to be old enough for that???

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Didn't know where else to put this.


If all of Canada tuned into the Tragically Hip concert last night, and neither me nor anybody I know did, am I still Canadian?

(Actually my wife and I tried to listen at one point last night but after about 5 songs my wife and I remembered why we don't really like that band - certain lyrics are great but other things, in particular his singing, just do not engage us musically)

Like I think its sad when anybody has cancer. And I think its sad when any artist stops doing what they do. And I think its great that the CBC could play that last concert for so many people so they could deal with their grief.

And in theory I'm the demographic that should be right into that thing - small city raised, white, college or university educated, same age as Downie actually, was into indie music back in the late 80's and still is interested in indie music today.


But not only wasn't I ever really interested in the Tragically Hip, I also recognise that my country isn't completely like the people who were celebrating last night. Self awareness I suppose. And yet...I heard a lot of lack of self awareness about that concert. There were memes running around about this being a good time for somebody to invade, or sneak over, or sorry we are busy and will get back to you tomorrow. And there was also a lot of "So proud to be Canadian" stuff being said.

I understand the whole grieving of what will no longer be thing. What we are seeing is a longer version of what happens when an artist dies unexpectedly - the art stops - no more art will come. And part of that is wanting to be together with a group and recognise the communal grief. Its why people drop off flowers at a shrine for a dead artist, its why people watch and read and listen at those times. The need to deal with the loss is easier when others acknowledge that loss. And I know that in times of personal grief, we wonder why the rest of the world isn't grieving with us. When my Dad died, I wondered for a bit how people could not know that somebody around them was grieving.

So I get the need to do a communal grief thing.

But when people start assuming the whole of the country is like them, I get worried that maybe we are not as far along on the acceptance of others spectrum as we think we are. From what I was seeing and hearing a lot of people were assuming that everybody wanted to be there, that everybody knows who that band is, that everybody will miss the music. In fact, a certain demographic within Canada tends to like their music. And what I struggle with is that demographic is largely white, overwhelmingly university educated, and largely suburban or small town. It doesn't represent a whole chunk of the country (just as I know I and my lack of interest in the Tragically Hip does not represent a whole chunk of the country). So, what people were proud of last night was not something quintessentially Canadian but something quintesentially who they are.

Admittedly, the view expressed were not as [Projectile] as the ads on Rogers channels suggesting hockey has defined Canada and therefore watch these hockey games coming up because they have spent billions on it and their shareholders might get cross.

I guess I saw a lot of lack of self awareness last night. I saw a lot of people very proud of their country and very proud to like this band that other countries do not know of. But the Tragically Hip did not, does not and will not define what the whole of this country is - it can't because this country is more diverse then the group of people that I saw celebrating last night. And I'm not saying the Hip think they represent everything about Canada.

I just think sometimes we havn't come that far in cultural awareness when a large chunk of the country, a chunk which frankly has a lot of privilege, thinks what it is doing communally is what everybody is doing.

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I tried to listen as well. I think it's maybe a younger crowd. I don't actually know any of their songs, and to my, it all sounds the same.

And now I'm channelling 1972 and my parents. My wife pointed out the April Wine, Lighthouse and Sass Jordan played at the Saskatoon Exibition a week ago. Could sing one song to her only, don't recall any others. , in the morning before her coffee: One Fine Morning Girl I Wake Up.... to have it remain a fine morning, I had to stop.

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Underlying all the recent nationalist canonization of the Tragically Hip is the claim that they somehow represent the spirit of Canada unlike any other band. But it's not clear to me why the same thing couldn't be said about, for example, The Guess Who or Rush.

It always seems to come around to someone pointing out that they never made it big in the US. Which is kind of an odd way to judge their Canadian-ness. Was Elvis any less American because he was popular in other countries as well? The Beatles any less British?

Basically, people seem to be using the Tragically Hip as a case study to say "See? There are some things that Canadians like that Americans don't, therefore, we're a different culture". Which I suppose is true, as far as it goes, but it seems like the wrong way to judge a band, or for that matter, that band's connection to the larger culture.

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Admittedly, the view expressed were not as [Projectile] as the ads on Rogers channels suggesting hockey has defined Canada and therefore watch these hockey games coming up because they have spent billions on it and their shareholders might get cross.

I think the pukiest example I've seen of that sorta thing was an advertising flier circulated by one of the Big 5 banks, advising people to save money(through using the bank's services, of course). The gist of the pitch was that Candians used to be thrifty, but are now not so much so. It opened(roughly)...

"There are some things that are really Canadian. Hockey, touques, Double Doubles..."

(emphasis mine)

I think it was the only time in my life that I've seen one corporation advertise another corporation's product(*), without it being part of a formal tie-in campaign.

(*) To the extent that a coffee with two servings of sugar and two servings of milk even counts as a distinct product.

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But when people start assuming the whole of the country is like them, I get worried that maybe we are not as far along on the acceptance of others spectrum as we think we are. From what I was seeing and hearing a lot of people were assuming that everybody wanted to be there, that everybody knows who that band is, that everybody will miss the music. In fact, a certain demographic within Canada tends to like their music. And what I struggle with is that demographic is largely white, overwhelmingly university educated, and largely suburban or small town. It doesn't represent a whole chunk of the country (just as I know I and my lack of interest in the Tragically Hip does not represent a whole chunk of the country). So, what people were proud of last night was not something quintessentially Canadian but something quintesentially who they are.

Colby Cosh respectfully argues that the Tragically Hip were largely reflective of southern Ontario culture.

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Stetson
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Sorry, just to avoid confusion, the bit I quoted above is from Og, not Cosh. I thought Og's quote made a good segue into Cosh's observations.
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Until whoever it was who got brain cancer, I didn't even know that there was such a group. Given that you can survive brain cancer after surgical intervention for a few more good years, as my neighbour did, what will happen when the 2016 Farewell tour segues into the 2017 or possibly even the 2018 one?

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Stetson
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Until whoever it was who got brain cancer, I didn't even know that there was such a group. Given that you can survive brain cancer after surgical intervention for a few more good years, as my neighbour did, what will happen when the 2016 Farewell tour segues into the 2017 or possibly even the 2018 one?

Probably the same thing that happened when The Who did their "farewell tour" in '82(CBC made a big deal about their last show being in Toronto, though I doubt that was anything more than a scheduling decision), and then got back together for Live Aid in '85, some awards show in '87, another tour of the UK and North America in '89, and, well, the rest is history.

In other words, the fans will just say "Cool, the band is touring again", and forget how weepy they all got during the farewell.

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Yeah I did notice a correlation between liking this band and discussion about going to the cottage.

I like the one line in that article

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The Hip are a sweaty, churning bar band, crankily averse to technical virtuosity, fronted by a freaky, funky beatnik who dances like even God could not possibly be watching. They are grinding, industrial urbanity trying to escape itself, consoling itself with talk of the sea and the stars.


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An enthusiastic and appreciative professor friend, currently exiled in The Asylum of South Carolina, called me to express her enthusiasm for someone who spoke for all of Canada, and I had to gently mention that il n'a pas chanté en français-- pas un mot.

While I am in the Hip's demographic, I never warmed to their music and, when I watched the broadcast, I cannot say that I knew or much liked any of the songs. However I was able to catch the strong emotion in the crowd and, much like Oliver Schroer's Farewell to Earth tour before he died, I appreciated that the artist was going full blast with his talent as long as he could.

Some years ago, I heard him play as the one-man accompaniment to a dance friend's performance, and I looked for a repeat of that, but it was clearly a one-off event, and suited an even smaller demographic; but I'll still keep it in my memory.

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First hard frost last night. Long sleeves for my outing with the dog at first light.

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Is it snowing in Ottawa yet, Pete?

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Augustine wrote:

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While I am in the Hip's demographic
I've been thinking about their music, and how, despite claims about it representing some sort of Deep Canada, it really was pretty typical of the alternative sound that was popular in the late 80s and early 90s, ultimately seguing into grunge.

And then it occured to me that the band they really resembled was REM. The tone and mood of the respective bands are almost identical. Though I'll admit that the Hip had more coherent lyrics.

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