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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by Gee D:
I doubt that many of the customers ask for a short back and sides. But despite everything you say, I cannot see Greg's act of charity in cutting this woman's hair as a clear-cut act of sex discrimination.
When Greg cuts hair, he's doing his job, not an act of charity. The fact that he's decided will cut just one woman's hair doesn't change the fact that he refuses service to all other women who want the same service he gave her. Are you suggesting that it isn't sex discrimination because he isn't discriminating against all women, just all - 1?
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Gee D
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My use of the word "charity" was deliberate and in its proper sense. Think of caritas. Your last sentence has nothing at all to do with what I had been saying.
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Barnabas62
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This hairdressing thing.
Where I live, the hairdressers' establishments mostly frequented by women offer a rather different variety of cuts and styles to those frequented by men. There is overlap of course in the cuts and stylings offered. And vice versa. None of which stops both men and women using either. It just depends on what you want. As a matter of habit, I normally use the ones frequented mostly by men, but I've had several haircuts in those which women prefer to use. In my case these days, there isn't too much to trim, so a kind of functional tidying up does the job fine.
The traditional men's barber in the town does regular haircutting for a number of women who have, as a matter of preference, chosen him because they want one of the range of cuts and styles he offers. He doesn't offer curling, straightening, or colour changing, or extension installing and managing, basically because he doesn't know how to do them, was never trained in them, doesn't have the expertise. Things which he is quite happy to explain.
I'm not sure how people get trained these days, but personally I can't see anything wrong in specialising in a kind of subset of hairdressing skills, based on what you discover you are good at, offering them and recognising you are more likely to get customers of one sex rather than both. Unless fashions change of course. I guess anyone can do a Michael Jordan (or early Sinead O'Connor).
But I can't see any reason, other than arbitrary discrimination, for any hairdresser refusing to cut the hair of any women who is happy with the range of cuts he offers. If she's happy with that kind of cutting, her money is just as good as anyone else's, and if the traditional ambience doesn't bother her, why should it bother anyone else?
On a recent visit to the trad male barber, my ex next door neighbour (a woman) was in for her regular trim and was chatting to another woman who had brought her small child (a boy) in for his cut. They were chatting away about preferences and the issue of my ex neighbour's choice of regular hairdresser came up, and whether she felt comfortable about her choice of the trad male barber. "Why not" she said. "It doesn't bother him, it doesn't seem to bother any of his customers, why shoud it bother me. Besides "she smiled" he's both cheaper and quicker, as well as doing just the job I want".
I can't see anything wrong with looking at things in that kind of way.
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Matt Black
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Indeed.
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Leorning Cniht
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We were discussing whether women should be permitted to purchase a haircut at a men's barber. Here is a report of a barber's shop in Washington, PA being fined for refusing to cut a woman's hair. The woman in question wanted a men's style, so it's not an issue of the barber not having the requisite skills - it's entirely a question of ambience.
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