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Graven Image
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I went to the garden store yesterday, I had my garden plot map and shopping list but felt I needed the holy angel of self-control on my shoulder to stay on budget when surrounded by so many plants calling my name. This is my spring weakness. In the winter I need that some holy self-control angel with me in the bookstore. Shipmates when do you need to call upon your self-control angel? ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
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Brenda Clough
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There are things that I have agreed with myself to never begin collecting. Teapots. Baskets. Roving. Majolica ware. (And never ever a Majolica teapot in the shape of a basket filled with roving!) Because once I begin I will never stop.
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Lothlorien
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Wool shops are a den of temptation to me. I might go into one, or see some on the net and next thing I know, yarn. Great quantities of it.
I am currently resisting calling Uber to take me to a newly opened shop fairly near me. Their web site is amazing and so is their stock.
I have already spent money this year twice at a yarn shop in Hobart, Tasmania. I blame shipmate Cranmer's Baggage for that. I saw her name and recommendatio on FB. Nothing to do with my lack of will power, no nothing at all ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Lothlorien
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
What is roving?
Sorry, I meant to answer this in my post. Here you are, Roving
Plenty of other sites too but the picture was clear here.
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Brenda Clough
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Yes, I swore I would never learn to spin. Because once I did I would be lost. Knitting is bad enough. (You must never be in the US the first weekend in May. the Maryland Sheep & Wool Festival takes place near Baltimore, and it is terrifying. I know people who go with minivans.)
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Lothlorien
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I used to have an Ashford wheel, but have done no spinning for ages.
. We do not have those huge days here. Bus markets in Canberra has a good day, except it is usually not only cold but wet and muddy. There are craft shows but knitting comes a very bad last usually in terms of exhibitors and supplies.
There are now many online shops with great stuff from very small Australian suppliers. And of course Bendigo mills. Good wool for crocheted rugs etc. Mostly crepe style but big ball, 200gm at very cheap prices. Unfortunately, as my mother used to say, champagne tastes on beer budget.
I use only wool. Acrylic burns my fingers and I hate the finished product usually. Good yarn calls my name and spreads the cost over quite a while as I knit it. Am just finishing a lap rug of squares for winter and have yet another shawl planned from Malabrigo sock yarn.
Oh dear, you can see why I fall to temptation which was what this thread started as.
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Welease Woderwick
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Self control is, IMHO, vastly over-rated!
Nah, not really but...
I am [sometimes] grateful that I am prevented by law from going into any sort of debt [non-Indian so can't borrow money here and non-resident in UK so can't borrow money there]. Bookshops and, more recently, Kindle Store being my major temptations although cute little techie items also attract.
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Welease Woderwick
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...and kitchenware!
For some bizarre reason I love kitchenware shops, could happily spend hours browsing and spending money in them.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
...and kitchenware!
You and me both, WW. And shoes. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
I have a delightful guardian angel. He's called D. and does everything he can to keep me away from retail emporia of every kind.
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Doone
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Mm, books for me too. But also crafts . I've managed to mostly restrict myself to fabric now, but went to a craft show a couple of weeks ago with a friend as bad as me ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) . Ribbons, buttons, fat quarters, wool ..... And then I got seduced by needle felting ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) and a whole new chapter started in my crafting life ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Roseofsharon
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I think all my weaknesses have been covered here already. Major downsizing has severely cut my storage space, and I bought as much as I could fit in here with me.
That deals with books, garden plants (other than veggies which are a yearly requirement) and fabric.
However we had a new grandbaby arrive in January and, oddly, very little of my reduced-to-60ltr storage-boxful of yarn had just what was needed for the particular little garments I made - and will be making for next winter.
To top it all, there is more access to yarn locally than I had before, so I'm having to keep away unless something specific is wanted.
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jedijudy
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My self-control angel has to beat me about the head and shoulders when I look at music books! As my eyesight has gotten less able to read poor copies of my favorites, I find the good (and more expensive) versions much more easy to read! Especially those published by B...., which have excellent and clear engraving.
I argue with that angel. "I don't have these twenty-ish lovely works by M or S or D!!"
Angel: "You have bills to pay and you need to save your money."
Me: "Just five? Can I get my five favorites? They're on sale!!!
Angel: "No."
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sabine
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I just unloaded 25% of my fabric stash to a thrift store. I pray that I can clear out another 25% rather than replace the fabric already gone.
sabine
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Boogie
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Predictably - dog beds, blankets and toys.
I usually give in and buy
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cattyish
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Occasionally God in his mercy sends me angels in disguise to tell me I'm collecting too many responsibilities. So far I have been able to give away any over-accumulations of stuff.
Cattyish, resting.
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St. Gwladys
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The Angel of self control must have a host of associates busy internationally at book shops, craft shops and antique fairs. No, I really don't need to collect Carnival glass, not even blue-green pieces. Nor do I need more Art Nouveau brooches...
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Welease Woderwick
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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Predictably - dog beds, blankets and toys.
I usually give in and buy
As Oscar Wilde so famously said:
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I can resist everything except temptation.
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mark_in_manchester
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I like tools. Luckily, in the spirit of this thread, the place I used to go mad for a fix (Tilley lamp mantles? BA nut spinners? BSF taps? Aldis lamp or demob cufflinks from WW2 surplus? No problem sir) is now derelict.
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Drifting Star
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Roses and books. But apparently God loves both, so there's no problem with the fact that my prayers aren't working. Or aren't, actually, being prayed.
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Brenda Clough
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Surely a solid case could be made that Heaven has a library. A biiiiigg library.
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Drifting Star
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Yes. Surrounded by a rose garden.
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Golden Key
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Re Heaven and libraries:
I rather like Terry Pratchett's idea of L-space, as found in the library of the wizards' Unseen University. Contains all books ever written, anywhere, and those still to be written.
Of course, I'd want the Librarian, too--a human wizard become an orangutan, who's so much happier that he refuses to change back. Probably has more sense than all the other U Univ. wizards combined.
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Golden Key
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Re bookstores:
Took me a long time, but I did become able to browse a bookstore *without* buying anything. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Graven Image
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Golden Key shared quote:
Re bookstores:
Took me a long time, but I did become able to browse a bookstore *without* buying anything. [Smile]
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Huia
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Surely a solid case could be made that Heaven has a library. A biiiiigg library.
Rather, Heaven is a library.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Cheese. These are the stages of eating cheese:
eating cheese
![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) eating more cheese
![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) having eaten too much cheese
eating more cheese
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Does it have fines for overdue books?
No fines, and no overdue-ness. New copies (cloned down to age and wear) automatically appear for each borrower, so no one has to wait. Yet the original can remain safely in the stacks!
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Galloping Granny
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On a different tack – prayers of self-control are required at bed time when I just want to have a quick look at what's been happening on the Ship.
That's why I'm here, writing. I need to be in bed now, or sooner...
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Brenda Clough
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Does it have fines for overdue books?
No fines, and no overdue-ness. New copies (cloned down to age and wear) automatically appear for each borrower, so no one has to wait. Yet the original can remain safely in the stacks!
I also trust that in the New Creation our mortal limitations of language fall away along with our problems with eyesight, so that we can read everything with ease. There are entire swathes of literature that I have already postponed to the Heavenly realm, because I know I have not the life span or vision sufficient now, to become fluent in French, or Greek, or Latin, etc.
Oh, and author discussions! A nice round-table talk with Tolstoy about whether War & Peace would not benefit from some editorial cuts; Victor Hugo and Robert Jordan could sit in and Charles Dickens could be the moderator. Ask Jane Austen if she has had a look at the Twilight books and enjoy the explosion...
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Bishops Finger
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Terry Pratchett's concept of L-space clearly extends to second-hand bookshops as well as libraries.
There is in this fair city a bookshop whose interior dimensions are patently far greater than its exterior dimensions, and in which self-control as to buying of books is sorely needed.
The latter is aided, in this case (sadly) by the rather surly demeanour of its staff - the shop could really do with an enthusiastic orang-utan or two...
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Brenda Clough
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You do not speak of Powell's, in Portland Oregon, do you? A good earthly analogue of the booklover's Heaven. It even has a coffee shop and wifi, and the depth of their used books is such that I know of authors who begin their research by going to Powell's and buying every book there on a given subject.
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Bishops Finger
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Alas, no, though it sounds a Good Place To Visit, should I be teleported one day to the U S of A.
Our local place has space , but no wifi or café (they are to be found adjacently).
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Brenda Clough
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I realize that I must never live within walking distance of Powell's in Oregon. Otherwise I will go in and never leave.
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Og, King of Bashan
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quote:
Originally posted by Graven Image:
I went to the garden store yesterday, I had my garden plot map and shopping list but felt I needed the holy angel of self-control on my shoulder to stay on budget when surrounded by so many plants calling my name. This is my spring weakness.
You are not alone on this one. I have a plan to gradually convert my front lawn from turf grass to water-wise perennial flowers and ornamental grasses, and as soon as I hit the perennial patio at the local garden center, I have to remind myself that the key word is "gradually".
But things always look better in mass plantings, right? And why settle for three agastache when seven would cover so much more ground and look so much more natural?
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Graven Image
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Og posted quote:
You are not alone on this one. I have a plan to gradually convert my front lawn from turf grass to water-wise perennial flowers and ornamental grasses, and as soon as I hit the perennial patio at the local garden center, I have to remind myself that the key word is "gradually".
Having done just that 2 years ago I would suggest you remember the small plants you buy will GROW quickly into much larger plants. Graven Image who now knows she needed about 1/3 less front yard ornamental grasses and lavender then she planted in place of her front lawn.
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Lamb Chopped
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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Does it have fines for overdue books?
You ARE one of those books.
Are you overdue yet?
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Lamb Chopped
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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Does it have fines for overdue books?
You ARE one of those books.
Are you overdue yet?
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I realize that I must never live within walking distance of Powell's in Oregon. Otherwise I will go in and never leave.
Actually Powell's City of Books has several locations, all of which include used as well as new books. There's a convenient branch in the PDX Airport in case you just happen to be passing through, but it is comparatively small.
We used to enforce discipline on our visits by parking at a meter with a 90 minute maximum. They are, however, accessible from public transit, and I'm sure the staff will wake you politely at closing time and help you to find your way out.
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L'organist
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Music, as in sheet music and scores: I have a vast collection that becomes ever more difficult to store properly.
I justify it to myself that the problem isn't so bad when you consider that my hoard is spread across 6 instruments, plus choral music, but even so.
I have made a start on clearing stuff out by getting rid of books of scales and arpeggios, sight-reading samples, etc, and I've also found a home for all my horn, 'cello and flute music other than stuff I can /wish to play at the moment - two local prep schools were suitably grateful!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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There's a whole world out there of food, drink and pleasures of the flesh, and you lot are fetishising about books?
You guys are weirding me out. And that takes some doing.
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Nicolemr
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I'm going to weird Karl out even further by saying that what I have the most trouble with is particularly second-hand books. I have a much easier time resisting new books, but there's something about a used book that twigs that "get it now or you'll never see it again" reflex.
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Hedgehog
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I, too, have a love of books (and, yes, second-hand books have a special charm). I realized I was in trouble when I mentioned to my brother that something was appealing to my latent bibliomania and he, bless him, looked askance at me and asked "What do you mean 'latent'?"
But, honestly, where I really need self control is with mechanical clocks (usually antique...but some newer ones tempt me too). As it is, in six rooms, I have ten clocks that bong at least the hour (and most the half hour). And yet, so help me, I am beginning to feel that old itch again...thinking, you know, that that wall over there looks a little bare and wouldn't a nice pendulum clock be a perfect fit for it? And couldn't the top of the bookcase handle another mantle clock so I could balance it with one on either end? And, really, only one tall-case clock in this house? Doesn't the dining room deserve one too?
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Og, King of Bashan
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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
There's a whole world out there of food, drink and pleasures of the flesh, and you lot are fetishising about books?
You guys are weirding me out. And that takes some doing.
They also have these things called libraries, where you can get pretty much any book you would want to read for free, as long as you bring it back.
It took me a long time to appreciate my local library, I admit, but since that happened about three years ago, I have bought maybe four books. Including one paperback that I bought specifically so that I could finish it while on a beach vacation and not have to haul it home.
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Brenda Clough
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Oh, Og. You poor sweet thing. Libraries have books, yes. And with Inter Library Loan in the US I can draw upon member libraries nationwide. But there are books that are simply not in any library, and there are search programs like Overdrive to prove this.
So, the strategy: into the used book store. Fatally, Powell's has wifi. With my Ipad or smartphone I can search the world, whenever I find a book I want on the bookstore shelf. Is it in any library, anywhere? If it is, I don't buy it, of course. But if it isn't, then I stand at the brink of calamity. It would astonish you, how many books there are like this. I have fourteen overloaded floor-to-ceiling steel bookcases to prove it.
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Welease Woderwick
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Surely books ARE a pleasure of the flesh!
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MaryLouise
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Books are a pleasure and a vice, WW. I stayed in bed on a stormy winterish morning reading Henry James' The Europeans this morning, unable to put it down or even make coffee or answer the phone. And over the years I have spent more on cookbooks than anyone I know. I've also run up a small fortune in library fines and gone without decent clothes in order to buy obscure literary fiction. And I don't regret any of it.
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L'organist
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I agree Karl, there is a world of other temptation out there.
On the food & drink front, I can resist most things but on a cold, damp evening hot buttered toast topped with smoked oysters and watercress takes a lot of beating; if the lousy weather is first thing my vice is fried bread spread with marmalade.
I draw a veil over the other pleasures of the flesh except to say that warmth is essential ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Rara temporum felicitate ubi sentire quae velis et quae sentias dicere licet
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