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Thread: ken - R.I.P.
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Banner Lady
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Cup raised in salut here in Oz.
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CuppaT
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Nearly a month later and I did not know.
Memory Eternal. My prayers also for Ken and his family, and for all of us with broken hearts.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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MW report has been posted.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Nice to see the Ship logo displayed.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
MW report has been posted.
"Ken would have loved that it was Friday the 13th... " Totally!
Great last line. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Qoheleth.
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The family had prepared a beautiful order of service based on the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, featuring all the words needed and three wonderful photos of Ken.
During the tributes, we were told that they had scoured the Ship for typographical advice, finding the answer here.
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Auntie Doris
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The last line of the MW worship report really made me chuckle.
Good work everyone. Sounds like it was a wonderful send-off.
Auntie Doris x
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Curiosity killed ...
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I guessed at 400 present, according to ken's daughter, the church warden team reckoned 350. (I count service attendances regularly)
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Spike
Mostly Harmless
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I have to take issue with one bit of the report though with the presumption that those who didn't receive communion were "Labour Party types". This is extremely unfair. Ken had a lot of friends who wouldnt have identified as Christians, and a few in his own family. They weren't necessarily Labour Party types. Remember, Ken was one of those "Labour Party types" himself, as am I and, I suspect, many people who DID receive communion.
Apart from that, it's a great report.
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Gracious rebel
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Marvin made a telling comment at the pub afterwards, that he was actually rather disappointed that we didn't get to sing the Red Flag in the end;- it had been the only circumstances he could imagine where he would have been happy to sing such an anthem, since it espouses a political stance that is the antithesis to his own, but for Ken it was entirely fitting.
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Jude
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I enjoyed Ken's contributions to the discussion boards. RIPRIG Ken.
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Mamacita
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The MW report was wonderful. Thank you to the "Tribes" who collaborated on it. Again, rest in peace, ken; and to all of you who loved him, my deepest sympathies.
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Yangtze
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Great report, thanks so much for doing it.
(Agree with Spike re the Labour Party types comment, could it be edited out? Also, a minor quibble, they weren't box pews.)
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
Dressed for Church
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Originally posted by Yangtze:
Agree with Spike re the Labour Party types comment, could it be edited out?
The comment has been removed.
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Brilliant. Thank you for the MW and the photos, and to those who went representing the Ship. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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Deputy Verger
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Thanks for taking out the Labour Party comment.
I also thought the numbers were closer to 300 but when I asked one of the wardens he said 225. I was sure it was more than that.
And Yangtze is right - they weren't box pews, but boxy, with partitions, and fixed, and bordered, kind of like the serif font equivalent of pews. I wonder if they might have had doors back in the day?
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
The MW report was wonderful. Thank you to the "Tribes" who collaborated on it. Again, rest in peace, ken; and to all of you who loved him, my deepest sympathies.
I could not say that any better. Thanks to those of you who represented all of us at ken's funeral.
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Jack the Lass
Ship's airhead
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It was such a privilege to be there - with ken, and God, infused throughout the service. I was fine, thinking I could hold it all together, and was flicking through the order of service before it all started, and then I saw the final hymn was to be The Red Flag, and that was it. Dammit ken, that was perfect.
Thank you for editing out that Labour Party comment on the MW - with that gone it is a brilliant reflection of the service. I hadn't realised that it was possible to edit MW reports once they were up, perhaps I'll contact Miss Amanda about a report of mine from 2006, there's something added by an editor which has always really bugged me!
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
Dressed for Church
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Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
I hadn't realised that it was possible to edit MW reports once they were up, perhaps I'll contact Miss Amanda about a report of mine from 2006, there's something added by an editor which has always really bugged me!
By all means, PM me about it. I'm happy to consider requests to amend published reports -- not that I'll always agree, however. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Jack the Lass
Ship's airhead
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(sorry to hijack the thread) Thanks Miss Amanda, I've just checked the report, and the thing that had bugged me has already been changed. I honestly can't remember contacting anyone about it, so I wonder if it was someone from the church who objected and got it changed? (for the curious, and if it wasn't so spectacularly not-the-thing-to-have-called-him it would have been funny, the edited report referred to the minister of a Wee Wee Free church as 'Father', whereas when I had submitted the report I had referred to him as 'Revd MacLeod'. It's been changed to 'Pastor MacLeod' which I can live with. Actually I think ken might have found that quite amusing).
I was just thinking about ken's funeral again, and how he had had so much input into the service, and what a brilliant service it was, and it got me thinking I'd really like him to plan my funeral. And then I remembered... ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Bugger.
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Deputy Verger
Shipmate
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Yes, that reminds me of one of the things that distracted me was when I saw Ken's dates on the centre-spread photo and realised he was not that far off my own age. I decided it wasn't a bad bunch of hymns, and for the first time started thinking about my own funeral!
When someone's life is cut untimely short like that, you do realise it could happen to any of us.
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busyknitter
Shipmate
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Here are the photos that I took on Friday; mainly family snaps that may not mean much to other folk, but I did manage to get round and take a picture of each table in the pub garden, including the Ship contingent. There is also a shot of the amazing picture gallery put together by Ken's Labout Party friends.
Pictures from Ken's wake
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Persephone Hazard
Ship's Wench
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Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
I was just thinking about ken's funeral again, and how he had had so much input into the service, and what a brilliant service it was, and it got me thinking I'd really like him to plan my funeral. And then I remembered... Bugger.
The truth is, that has to a certain extent been...overstated. What he actually said to me was something more along the lines of "Just...do it properly. You know what I mean. Get it right. Proper Anglican funeral. All the traditional stuff. Just do it properly."
I had a *bit* more to work from than that, but not a lot. So you might be in luck ;-)
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A picture is worth a thousand words, but it's a lot easier to make up a thousand words than one decent picture. - ken.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Persephone Hazard:
... Proper Anglican funeral. All the traditional stuff. Just do it properly."
I sincerely hope that's what my nearest and dearest would do for me - I couldn't ask for more.
Although I didn't know Ken, I found the MW report very moving; I was reminded of my brother-in-law's funeral. Although in a different tradition (he was a Baptist), the circumstances were similar: he was about the same age, he'd been a deacon in the church, they had to bring in extra seats and there was a certain sense of light-heartedness and hope.
Once again, RIP.
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Divine Outlaw
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It was a good send-off for a good man. RIP
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Sir Kevin
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Read a lot of Ken's posts over the years, wish I'd been there for the send-off; may take some hints from him to use in thirty years time if I live to be ninety as my aunt already has! My grandparents were Anglican as is my wife to this day....
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Marvin made a telling comment at the pub afterwards, that he was actually rather disappointed that we didn't get to sing the Red Flag in the end;- it had been the only circumstances he could imagine where he would have been happy to sing such an anthem, since it espouses a political stance that is the antithesis to his own, but for Ken it was entirely fitting.
There's a time for political principles, and there's a time to just sing the damn song.
And it would have been his last, greatest joke at my expense, which is why I was a bit disappointed it didn't happen.
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Ecclesiastical Flip-flop
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It occurs to me that the order of service does not say whether the water sprinkled over the coffin was holy, or otherwise. I suspect the Bishop of Woolwich who administered it, also provided it, in which case, he presumably would have blessed it beforehand. Bearing in mind that Christian ceremononial is supposed to be right-handed, I seem to remember noticing he moved round the coffin in the opposite direction. Dare I say it with no undertones intended - widdershins.
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Tree Bee
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A moving report, thank you.
So glad so many shipmates attended.
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Ditto - wish I could have been there. Would have loved to see marvyn the M join in the Red Flag - there are so few of us 'left' who know the words.
Re- 'holy' water (without wishing to trespass too much on Ecclesiantics matters) sprinking is a reminder of baptism so it matters not whether the water was blessed IMO.
As regards widdershins, my vicar is left-handed so censes and asperses in 'the wrong direction' too. Which is right for him.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
It occurs to me that the order of service does not say whether the water sprinkled over the coffin was holy, or otherwise.
According to the Bishop, it was holy.
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welsh dragon
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Which hymns got chosen, in the end? (excuse curiosity)
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busyknitter
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Originally posted by welsh dragon:
Which hymns got chosen, in the end? (excuse curiosity)
And Can It Be
Jerusalem
Amazing Grace
Be Thou My Vision
The Red Flag (sung at the graveside, as already mentioned)
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Enoch
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This is really sad. I've only just found out, through seeing the MW report. I was abroad most of May and haven't been on the Ship much since I got back.
I never met Ken, but he talked a lot of sense and wisdom. He also said it well. I'm sure there would have been things we'd have disagreed on, but I felt he was someone I'd like to have known - and now on this side of the great divide, I never shall.
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Dark Knight
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Only just saw this. Very sad news. RIPRIG ken
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Taliesin
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Yes, I came back from some shoreleave and was so sad to see this news. I was very fond of Ken.
I can't imagine him being somewhere he can no longer enjoy a good argument, but I'm sure he's taken it in his stride.
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busyknitter
Shipmate
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Oops, I just realised I had the privacy settings wrong on my Flickr page of the wake. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Those that want to see them, please try again.
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