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Charlie-in-the-box
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I hate "Go Tell it On The Mountain" I saw a video of an old lady and a young teen gal, I presume, is her granddaughter, singing this song in "twang". Their bodies were frozen. All that moved were their lips. The young lady was sporting a Farrah Fawcett wing "flip" big hair-do and, yes, this was after the year 2000. Ever since I have hated that song. I keep picturing them and that stupid pause, and then that chorus....GAG GAG GAG ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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Our God reigns (How lovely on the mountains).
Ultra-repetitive.
And nearly every performance ends up sounding like the Mike Sammes Singers on valium
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Originally posted by Charlie-in-the-box:
I hate "Go Tell it On The Mountain" ...
That's the one where the harmony on the chorus sounds like they're singing, "Go t' 'Ell"?
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Penny S
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Our God reigns (How lovely on the mountains).
Ultra-repetitive.
And nearly every performance ends up sounding like the Mike Sammes Singers on valium
Actually, I always have to restrain myself from asking if they are worshipping Jupiter Pluvius.
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It wouldn't be the Easter Vigil without
"Zi------on! Holy mountain, sacred city, lead me on!"
(see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.religion.christian/OR65Gv6vigg ) but we are not allowed to say "Y----h" any longer so we have to say "Father" instead which doesn't really scan.
I'm not sure what to make of it - on the one hand it seems incredibly quaint and seventies, a bit of a word salad complete with obligatory clapping. On the other hand it's undeniably a joyful and upbeat way of celebrating Easter and seems to slot nicely into that point in the Holy Week services.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by MrsBeaky:
Good Friday had me weeping...too many hymns to mention, stuffed full of "Hallelujahs!"
Honestly, I ask you!
As one who has planned Triduum liturgies, I can honestly say that the pewfolk overwhelmingly want music that pulls at their heartstrings....in particular, they want to get misty-eyed, especially on Good Friday. I had thought that was an American thing, a reflection of the romanticism one found in American religion in the between-war depression years, but it seems to spread beyond these shores. Favored are the Revivalist classics, with their first-person point of view and dancy or dour tempos, all sung very sloooowwly.
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Og, King of Bashan
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I think this is probably the right place for this rant.
In the 1978 BCP, it says that you can start the Eucharist at the Vigil with the Easter proclamation, followed by a Gloria, Te Deum, or Pascha Nostrum. Now there are a lot of fantastic settings of the Te Deum out there, and since sung morning prayer doesn't really happen here in the States, we don't get to sing them very often. So choir directors seem to think that they must program a Te Deum for the Vigil, as it is probably their only chance to sing one.
No complaints about the music, mind you. We have done the Howells Col. Reg. Te Deum for the last three years, and it is a glorious piece of music.
But when you have been sitting in church for the last three days and finally get to the Easter proclamation, the last thing anyone needs (especially the choir, who have two services left to sing the next day) is an eight-and-a-half minute scream fest. About three minutes in, the congregation stops ringing their bells, and after about five minutes, they start to look a bit annoyed.
Sorry, choir directors of America. I don't care how fantastic the setting is, programing a Te Deum at the Vigil is just cruel.
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originally posted by Olaf: Favored are the Revivalist classics, with their first-person point of view and dancy or dour tempos, all sung very sloooowwly.
And then exported over here!!
I often find myself deeply moved on Good Friday so I understand that there can be an emotional element to our worship but it's about an appropriate match of words to occasion. However that's just me perhaps...
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Originally posted by Olaf:
Favored are the Revivalist classics, with their first-person point of view and dancy or dour tempos, all sung very sloooowwly.
I'll hold my hand up and admit to a liking for singing "Old rugged cross" on Good Friday.And having been delegated the task of ordering the Good Friday liturgy the last couple of years that's what we've had ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
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Our lot sang "The old rugged cross" on Easter Day.
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L'organist
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Ken: I should think that caused a few raised eyebrows.
I have scheduled Lift high the Cross on Easter Day before now but wouldn't make a habit of it.
As for places that have Hallelujahs on Good Friday ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Point about the Te Deum laudamus at the Easter Vigil: yes, it can be overlong - maybe they should find a shorter setting or see about a metrical version that the congregation could join in with? Charles Wesley wrote a fairly good 3 verse one (but don't use the Barnby tune, which is a shocker).
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Ken: I should think that caused a few raised eyebrows.
I have scheduled Lift high the Cross on Easter Day before now but wouldn't make a habit of it.
As for places that have Hallelujahs on Good Friday
Point about the Te Deum laudamus at the Easter Vigil: yes, it can be overlong - maybe they should find a shorter setting or see about a metrical version that the congregation could join in with? Charles Wesley wrote a fairly good 3 verse one (but don't use the Barnby tune, which is a shocker).
"Holy God we praise your name" ?
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L'organist
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No, Infinite God, to thee we raise which is the first, second and fifth verses of a 14 verse metrical Te Deum that appeared in his 'Hymns for Those that Seek and Those that Have Redemption in the Blood of Jesus Christ' (London, 1747).
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Og, King of Bashan
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Slick title.
I don't think picking a hymn is what the choir directors have in mind. This is their one chance all year to program their favorite Te Deum setting, and damn it, they are going to do it!
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Olaf
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Slick title.
I don't think picking a hymn is what the choir directors have in mind. This is their one chance all year to program their favorite Te Deum setting, and damn it, they are going to do it!
Although I knew about the three options, I have never seen anything other than the Gloria used. Furthermore, I'm surprised there are any Episcopal choir directors who remember Morning Prayer at all! I do agree that 8+ minutes is unacceptable. As a pew-warmer, I just want to belt out the Gloria on my own for the first time in seven weeks (anybody lucky enough to get a sung one for midweek feasts had better just stay put and deal with Howells!)
As a fan of the Vigil who hopes it catches on, I don't want to see it unnecessarily prolonged. Scares away the non-liturgy buffs.
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L'organist
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Og
A solution would be to have a congregational Gloria in the relevant place: the choir could sing a Te Deum at the Offertory which members of the congregation could either sit and listen to or use as background music for exchanging the Peace... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Came across an impressive example of shoehorning PSA into any hymn about the Cross today.
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You were lifted on a tree,
Crying 'Father God, forgive them,
Place their punishment on Me'
No Stuart Townend that is not what Jesus said on the cross, that was 'Father Forgive them, they do not know what they are doing' nothing whatsoever about punishment. I can just about live with PSA as one emphasis, but twisting Christ's words to include it is several steps too far.
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Oscar the Grouch
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O come on! Did you expect anything different from Townend? If he was asked to write a birthday ditty for his granny's 100th birthday party, he'd include a reference to PSA.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Sorry for the double post...
Don't know if it has been mentioned before, but since coming to Canada I have been "introduced" to the songs of Marty Haugan. Lots of people love him, apparently. Hmmmm. Not me. Rather empty lyrics sung to stodgy tunes. Just don't get it.
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L'organist
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Marty Haugen: I can't listen to anything of his without being reminded of The Little House on the Prairie and The Waltons.
Sure, when you first encounter him you can play 'Spot the ripped-off tune' but even that palls after a while.
And the performances of his music: done by professionals it sounds like the Mike Sammes singers; attempted by congregations live it can be cringe-makingly bad.
A less forgiving colleague calls MH's style Worship interruptus since it oozes its way from semi-climax to semi-climax with almost nothing in between.
Its enough to make the baby Jesus weep.
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Carys
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
O come on! Did you expect anything different from Townend? If he was asked to write a birthday ditty for his granny's 100th birthday party, he'd include a reference to PSA.
I wasn't surprised by the PSA reference in the hymn, but I expect better respect for the words of our Lord as reported by Holy Scripture from an evangelical.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by Carys:
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
O come on! Did you expect anything different from Townend? If he was asked to write a birthday ditty for his granny's 100th birthday party, he'd include a reference to PSA.
I wasn't surprised by the PSA reference in the hymn, but I expect better respect for the words of our Lord as reported by Holy Scripture from an evangelical.
Carys
Oh Carys. Bless you for your sweet innocence! Surely you know that PSA always trumps everything - even Biblical accuracy. Have you never played "Evo Top Trumps"?
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
O come on! Did you expect anything different fromTownend? If he was asked to write a birthday ditty for his granny's 100th birthday party, he'd include a reference to PSA.
That was, pretty much, my view of Townend's songwriting, though I love him as a tunesmith. However, I notice that "love incarnate" is 12 years old now, and these days he seems to have lost his obsession with PSA, and is even writing sons that imply movement on certain Dead Horse issues. Experience changes theology.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Just come across these beauties in a hymn book. First of all there is this:
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O beautiful Gaia, O Gaia, calling us home,
O beautiful Gaia, calling us on.
Soil yielding its harvest, O Gaia, calling us home,
Soil yielding its harvest, calling us on.
Refrain
Waves crashing on granite, O Gaia, calling us home.
Waves crashing on granite, calling us on.
Refrain
Pine bending in windstorm, O Gaia, calling us home.
Pine bending in windstorm, calling us on.
Refrain
Loon nesting in marshland, O Gaia, calling us home.
Loon nesting in marshland, calling us on.
Heaven knows - I'm no Evo Fundie. But I'm really not sure what this is doing in a Christian hymn book.
And secondly:
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Mother Earth, our mother birthing
Ev’ry creature on the land
Jesus too was flesh and breathing,
Kin to all that's green and brown.
Celebrate with all creation:
God has joined the web of life.
Sister Air, our sister lifting
Ev’ry creature born with wing;
Jesus shared the breath of forests,
Breath that makes our spirits sing.
Celebrate with all creation:
God has joined the web of life.
Brother Water, brother pulsing
Deep through ev’ry vein and sea,
Jesus drank the very raindrops
For our wine and in our tea.
Celebrate with all creation:
God has joined the web of life.
Father Fire, our father burning
With the sacred urge to live.
Jesus' death completes the cycle,
Bringing life beyond the grave.
Celebrate with all creation:
God has joined the web of life.
O dear, o dear, o dear.....
Jesus drank the very raindrops
For our wine and in our tea. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Dear Lord.
St. Francis did vastly better...
Bobby Bare did vastly better...
Drop kick me, Jesus, through the goalposts of life
Someone on The Ship pointed this song out years ago, and I've always wondered a bit - is it seriously an actual proper song, or is he taking the piss?
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Dear Lord.
St. Francis did vastly better...
Bobby Bare did vastly better...
Drop kick me, Jesus, through the goalposts of life
Someone on The Ship pointed this song out years ago, and I've always wondered a bit - is it seriously an actual proper song, or is he taking the piss?
That was probably me! It's a personal favourite and I love mentioning it if I possibly can.
As for your question - I think it's semi-serious. Clearly it's an absurd image, but at the same time I suspect that the underlying sentiments of the song are meant.
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The combination of football and messaging about Jesus is a sure bet in the Bible Belt.
Where else do you get praying before and after the game while demanding the brutality of the actual game?
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Horseman Bree: The combination of football and messaging about Jesus is a sure bet in the Bible Belt.
Moving to a different sport, I guess many will be familiar with The Ball Game by Sister Wynona Carr. I rather like it.
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Horseman Bree: The combination of football and messaging about Jesus is a sure bet in the Bible Belt.
Moving to a different sport, I guess many will be familiar with The Ball Game by Sister Wynona Carr. I rather like it.
Love it! Just forwarded it to the praise band. (Gosh, what if they take me seriously?)
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L'organist
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The Ball Game by 'Sister' Wynona Carr is a very clever song, especially with the quote in the intro from 'Take me out to the ball game'.
But I'm amazed its taken so long for some people to get around to this song - 60+ years from when it was recorded.
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Don't forget Telephone to Glory.
My mother, who was raised as a Pentecostal, used to sing snatches of this around the house as I was growing up, so I have fond (rather than 'crappy') memories associated with it. I've never come across it at any church I've attended.
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Sang one of my least favourite hymns today: Love is his word, love is his way; words by Luke Connaughton to the tune Cresswell. What a load of doggerel gibberish. Also the tune sounds as though it comes from a kindergarten. It was very difficult to stand in the choir and spout such drivel. I'm still cringing.
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...the tune Cresswell... Also the tune sounds as though it comes from a kindergarten.
No relation to our Mad Scientist, I hope.
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Its one of the many ditties we owe to the publishing of the Ma***w juggernaut...
Pure doggerel, with a tune that Anthony Milner must have taken a good 5 minutes to knock-out.
Banned at my place - but much loved, so I'm told, by + John Hind.
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Don't forget Telephone to Glory.
My mother, who was raised as a Pentecostal, used to sing snatches of this around the house as I was growing up, so I have fond (rather than 'crappy') memories associated with it. I've never come across it at any church I've attended.
I've never heard it sung congregationally, and it's certainly lightweight, but I find it interesting as one of the few examples of Christian hymns and songs which use technological imagery.
On another subject,we attended a Samoan church yesterday, where I encountered this "hymn" for the first time.
http://www.klangwesley.com/songs.php?songID=30
Ok, it's crap, but they sang it at a million decibels and at a million miles an hour, after which there was a time of greeting one another, at which they all hugged and kissed us, never having met us before, so I'm happy to cut them a bit of hymnological slack.
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Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Don't forget Telephone to Glory.
My mother, who was raised as a Pentecostal, used to sing snatches of this around the house as I was growing up, so I have fond (rather than 'crappy') memories associated with it. I've never come across it at any church I've attended.
I've never heard it sung congregationally, and it's certainly lightweight, but I find it interesting as one of the few examples of Christian hymns and songs which use technological imagery.
What about 'Turn your radio on'
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Banned at my place - but much loved, so I'm told, by + John Hind.
Indeed, many's the time I've sung it at Chichester Cathedral
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I actually sang "Telephone to Glory" in the congregation of a Pentecostal church in Cambridge about 25 years ago. It has more verses than the link you posted. There was one about having interference from Satan on the line, as far as I remember.
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..."Telephone to Glory" ...has more verses than the link you posted. There was one about having interference from Satan on the line, as far as I remember.
"Fail to get the answer, Satan’s crossed your wire,"...
5 verses at Hymntime
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They played this one today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nQYbK9-Iew
Seems to say people who are physically disabled should just take their mat up and walk. Just takes faith to make you whole.
Half my friends walk with a cane, or have COPD, or Parkinson's, or etc. Do you want to be well? Of course. Take your mat up and walk. Huh?
I believe in miracle healing, I've seen it, I've experienced it, but it isn't something most (or any?) of us can just decide to do! So I feel this song is accusative - if you aren't whole it's because you lack faith or lack willingness to try.
Am I being over-sensitive to "beautiful" and "inspirational" lyrics (what one healthy friend said), or are the lyrics insensitive to the reality of pain and disability (what I think), or am I misunderstanding the song's message?
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They played that at a service? For real?
![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Yes, the lyrics are offensive and yes, they do imply that the guy on the mat can just pick it up and skip around like a spring lamb.
I just can't get over the whole ghastliness of it all as a package...
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Oh dear, I just listened to that whilst eating my breakfast.....
ISTM that there are a few issues here:
Firstly to my mind this is not a song to be used for public worship as it is far more of a performance piece for those who like this style of music.
Secondly the way he has used the words "Take up your mat and walk" is metaphorical. As such in a concert setting perhaps he can get away with it but not in a church service context where people might end up feeling marginalised as a result.
On a personal note those very words spoke clearly and metaphorically to me several years ago and led to me extricating myself from a very tricky situation. But it was private and personal and not appropriate for public and it wasn't about physical healing either!
Finally this is where the crossover happens, where the personal becomes public and some will resonate with it and others certainly not and we walk a challenging path of discerning which types of music and lyrics are right for public worship.
We sang a few jaunty little numbers for "Golden Bells" on Sunday.....oh dear!
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You don't seriously mean that they played that abomination in church! And have you read the comments from people on the Youtube page? Oh dear, I despair for the future of music. I think if they played that at my church I wouldn't be taking my mat and walking. I'd take my bat and ball and run far away.
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